Leader

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

SUV vs. Crown Vic.

Collapse

300x250 Mobile

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • SUV vs. Crown Vic.

    Does anyone know of a study determining the possible long term harm of an SUV being higher off the ground vs. a crown vic? My department is completely against the Tahoe's with the thinking that it is too hard on the dogs getting in and out.

  • #2
    My dog has developed knee problems and the only contributing factor that the vet could come up with was the repeated jumping in snf out of my Expedition. Most SUV's have the floor of the K9 area at about 2/3 the height of their back and they can jump in and out of the vehicle 10-50 times a shift!!!!!
    I think just about any vet or dog trainer would agree that the less you have to make your dog jump, the better off they are.
    Good luck with your decision.....

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Bulzi View Post
      My dog has developed knee problems and the only contributing factor that the vet could come up with was the repeated jumping in snf out of my Expedition. Most SUV's have the floor of the K9 area at about 2/3 the height of their back and they can jump in and out of the vehicle 10-50 times a shift!!!!!
      I think just about any vet or dog trainer would agree that the less you have to make your dog jump, the better off they are.
      Good luck with your decision.....
      Absolutly right Bulzi, I use two vehicles, both rear loading, a Citroen Berlingo Estate (station waggon), which is caged for two dogs, and the other (I use for training) a Vauxhall Combo (GM) van (small panal van rear and side loading doors) which is caged for three dogs. Both have enough room for equipment. The point is they are very accessable for dogs being a lot lower to the ground than an SUV. I don't particulary like the Crown Vic converstions you would be better with a rear loading estate car (station waggon)......but the less unnecessary jumping you do with your lad, the longer you will have him..........
      Last edited by Eurodog; 08-03-2008, 02:52 AM.
      "That's funny, he's never done that before!"

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Eurodog View Post
        a Citroen Berlingo Estate (station waggon) and a Vauxhall Combo (GM) van
        ???????????????????
        I would have to say you would be the first in your area to have one of these as a cruiser!!!!!!!!!!

        I am not fond of rear loading because I think it is good for the dog to be up where he can see what is going on and be part of the action and have more interaction with the handler while driving around. I believe that it helps keep the dog motivated while at work, instead of sitting in the back where he can not see or hear anything going on around you. Also, the visual presence of the dog often reduces the chances of an encounter going bad when dealing with some of our lovely "customers."

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Bulzi View Post
          ???????????????????
          I would have to say you would be the first in your area to have one of these as a cruiser!!!!!!!!!!

          I am not fond of rear loading because I think it is good for the dog to be up where he can see what is going on and be part of the action and have more interaction with the handler while driving around. I believe that it helps keep the dog motivated while at work, instead of sitting in the back where he can not see or hear anything going on around you. Also, the visual presence of the dog often reduces the chances of an encounter going bad when dealing with some of our lovely "customers."
          Well we have the best of both worlds, converstions of station wagons or estate cars as we call them are fitted with a pod which contains AC, and cabn be pulled out for cleaning. It is fitted with front 'escape' doors. Handlers generally patrol with their front cage ajar to get the dog deployed quickly (as in a chase).

          Generally all or vehicle will accept two dogs, handy for public disturbances/sporting events/major seaches or incidents when you need two or more handlers on scene, sometimes fewer vehicles the better. In any case as you know we do not deploy duel trained dogs, so if the handler has his single purpose dog he will accompany the GP dog on patrol..........
          "That's funny, he's never done that before!"

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by sharkboy View Post
            Does anyone know of a study determining the possible long term harm of an SUV being higher off the ground vs. a crown vic? My department is completely against the Tahoe's with the thinking that it is too hard on the dogs getting in and out.
            Sharkboy, I by no means am an expert, I drive a tahoe. As I have just started my canine career. My partner is just 2 years old and I had a question as to how I can prolong the life of my buddy. One of my instructors told me to help him in and out of the vehicle by grabbing his collar and assisting him out. I know you can't always help him in this way, but 70% of the time is better than nothing.

            I hope this info can help you, I know there is a lack of choices in what kind of vehicle's we drive, usually a CV, tahoe, or expedition. Departments are usually reluctant to go out of their way to look into different things for canine's, as far as station wagons. Hopefully a Dodge Magnum will be in all of our futures.
            ____________________________________________

            Most men respect the badge...Everyone respects the dog

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by CanineMan View Post
              Sharkboy, I by no means am an expert, I drive a tahoe. As I have just started my canine career. My partner is just 2 years old and I had a question as to how I can prolong the life of my buddy. One of my instructors told me to help him in and out of the vehicle by grabbing his collar and assisting him out. I know you can't always help him in this way, but 70% of the time is better than nothing.

              I hope this info can help you, I know there is a lack of choices in what kind of vehicle's we drive, usually a CV, tahoe, or expedition. Departments are usually reluctant to go out of their way to look into different things for canine's, as far as station wagons. Hopefully a Dodge Magnum will be in all of our futures.
              The Dodge Magnum has been out for some time now, in fact Dodge was marketing same as a K9 patrol vehicle. I've talked with a few handlers that have them and they're not impressed with it, citing lack of room. I think for general purpose, the crown vic is tough to beat. Full size vehicle, plenty of room for your partner in the back, and a trunk with more than enough room for the majority of your gear.

              Comment


              • #8
                Sharkboy,

                I haven't researched the numbers, but I would think the entry height difference between the Crown Vic and police version of the Tahoe wouldn't be that great since the Tahoe's stance is lower than the public version.

                I have an Expedition (POS) and it wouldn't surprise me if it's height contributes to some problems for my partner.

                Comment


                • #9
                  It also depends on the cage you put in the SUV...some actually add alot of height above what the bottom of the door height is. Personally I have only heard stories about how the SUV jumping is bad for their legs/knees/hips but considering it makes sense I didnt push for a truck. You may be able to carry more in the SUV but I like the car for the purpose of keeping my partner healthier for longer...plus even with the pursuit package still a higher chance of rollover in an SUV.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    One of the problems with the Tahoe is that the bottom of the transport cage is a few inches off of the floor of the truck due to the bolts that hold the rear seats in. One of the handlers in our group tried to have them reconstruct it lower and have the bolts cut off but was not successful.
                    One good thing about the SUV's is they are generally easier on the drivers back when getting in and out.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      My department was wondering about K9 vehicles a few years ago. We thought about SUVs but then they delivered us Charges with Hemi's so now I can't complain!!!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I don't want to beat this thread to death but my agency is starting a new k9 unit with almost no money. Chief wants to use an old 95 Ford Bronco that was refurbished. I'm concerned about the height and I would like to convince him to give me one of our crown vics, but local vet said the height will not cause injury to canine. Any thoughts or suggestions out there?

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by K9Cop378 View Post
                          My department was wondering about K9 vehicles a few years ago. We thought about SUVs but then they delivered us Charges with Hemi's so now I can't complain!!!
                          You guys made out good on that one. While the old Blazers looked mean they were not appreciated as far as being dog friendly.
                          sigpic

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Traffic1 View Post
                            I don't want to beat this thread to death but my agency is starting a new k9 unit with almost no money. Chief wants to use an old 95 Ford Bronco that was refurbished. I'm concerned about the height and I would like to convince him to give me one of our crown vics, but local vet said the height will not cause injury to canine. Any thoughts or suggestions out there?
                            First thing I would do is find a NEW VET!!!! Anyone who says that a dog jumping 2-3 feet high anywhere from 10-30 times in an 8 hour period is not bad for them should not be in the animal business (my opinion of course!!).
                            MY dog is 7 years old and has knee problems (and I rarely, if ever, make him jump anything), possibly partially genetic but my vet and a specialist both agreed that the excessive jumping in and out of my SUV was a major factor. When a dog has to jump these heights, going in is tough because they have to compress their legs alot to be able to jump high enough (hence the knee problems) and getting out is tuff because they have to land so far down, creating hip and back problems.
                            http://www.canismajor.com/dog/arthrit.html

                            Tell your vet to put his office door at or above the height of his back and see how long his body lasts!!!!!!!!!! What an idiot!!!! (sorry, that stuff gets me boiled). This is not a pet that jumps in and out of the car 10 times in its life, your partner will do more in a week than most dogs do in a year!!!!

                            Good luck with the sale....BTW, CV's are cheaper to maintain and get better gas mileage...bet your chief will buy that one!!

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Traffic1 View Post
                              I don't want to beat this thread to death but my agency is starting a new k9 unit with almost no money. Chief wants to use an old 95 Ford Bronco that was refurbished. I'm concerned about the height and I would like to convince him to give me one of our crown vics, but local vet said the height will not cause injury to canine. Any thoughts or suggestions out there?
                              Bulzi is right, you need a new vet, one which with respect know a little more about dogs and a little less about horses and cows! Seriously where jumping is concerned, you train them to jump, but less is more. In your case I am warming to the Crown Vic!............good luck with the Chief let us know how you get on, better still get him to join the Forum and Bulzi and I can bend his ear?............
                              "That's funny, he's never done that before!"

                              Comment

                              MR300x250 Tablet

                              Collapse

                              What's Going On

                              Collapse

                              There are currently 5918 users online. 352 members and 5566 guests.

                              Most users ever online was 26,947 at 07:36 PM on 12-29-2019.

                              Welcome Ad

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X