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    The other night at the conclusion of a pursuit a friend of mine used his taser on the suspect. After the first shot, one dart hit the suspects belt and the other in his leg. A full five second birst was given. With the suspects teeth chattering and his leg shaking he merely stated "why are you doing this to me" and pulled the darts out...no real effect. Next taser application was a direct contact to the suspect's chest area for another full five seconds. It made him shiver but no real effect. It later turned out that the suspect had a high dosage of cocaine in him. FYI!!!
    "The glory goes to those that dance on land mines and live to die another day"

    "Get on it Mel"

  • #2
    Had a similiar experience -
    My team tasered a guy 4 times - he was armed with a meat clever and kitchen knife.
    It had no effect apart from a bit of disco leg !

    He was suffering mental health problems and also under the influence of drugs.
    The taser is a great piece of kit but it's not the be all and end all. Like every other tool at our disposal it might just not work and you should always be prepared for it.

    Edited to add ................
    My unit use the M26 and we're supposed to be going over to the X26 soon.
    Anyone got experience of them both ?
    Anything I should be aware of ??
    Any info would be much appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Trojan
    Last edited by SO19Trojan; 08-11-2005, 06:06 PM.

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    • #3
      Those are good points to keep in mind. Many officers new to the Taser are relying on it as a solve all tool. One good thing to always remember is any tool we use can fail or be ineffective. Always be on your toes and expect the unexpected.

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      • #4
        Let me add one more thing...my friend took his ASP off his belt because of over confidence in the taser and lack of room on the belt. This was a HUGE PHAWKING mistake!!! He swore that he is putting it right back on
        "The glory goes to those that dance on land mines and live to die another day"

        "Get on it Mel"

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        • #5
          I will never forget my first training with stun guns (remember them?) Minneapolis PD Officer was doing the training. He told a short story. He "stunned" a guy in bar one night, the guy say, "Hey cool! Do that again". Of course we asked what did ya do? MPD Ofc said, "I threw the damn thing as far as I could". He pounded into our heads, have an immediate back up plan. If all ya do is **** the guy off, you're definetly got a problem. I've even read that a couple agencies around here have a policy of, "Tazer deployment only if another Officer is present to provide an "alternative" use of force.
          Be alert...the world needs more lerts!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Omega4
            "Tazer deployment only if another Officer is present to provide an "alternative" use of force.
            That is very much the case with my unit.
            We are only supposed to deploy Taser at firearms incidents anyway or incidents where the subject is otherwise so dangerous.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SO19Trojan
              That is very much the case with my unit.
              We are only supposed to deploy Taser at firearms incidents anyway or incidents where the subject is otherwise so dangerous.
              To use a Tazer against a firearm would take some major.......er.......big brass ones.
              Be alert...the world needs more lerts!

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              • #8
                It does sound ridiculous but under UK current Home Office guidelines that is the only time a taser should be deployed.
                Though if a threat from a firearm is perceived by me then you can rest assure that they will be facing my Glock or my MP5 !
                The maddening thing is that one of our Home Office ministers in the Uk who is supposed to be acting for Law and Orders best interests has stated that the Taser is too dangerous to be issued to regular Officers ............. even though they are the ones that need it a damn site more than me !

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                • #9
                  Thats not good for the UK officers. In FL, at my department, we can pretty much taser your butt if you start cursing us out. lol

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Crex4242
                    Thats not good for the UK officers. In FL, at my department, we can pretty much taser your butt if you start cursing us out. lol

                    Let me guess... PBSO?
                    In law enforcement, the customer is ALWAYS wrong.

                    In God we trust. Everyone else is run through NCIC.

                    Sometimes there is justice. Sometimes there is just us.

                    I'd rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.


                    The opinions given in my posts do not necessarily reflect the opinions, views, policies, and/or procedures of my employing agency. They are my personal opinions only.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SO19Trojan
                      Had a similiar experience -
                      My team tasered a guy 4 times - he was armed with a meat clever and kitchen knife.
                      It had no effect apart from a bit of disco leg !

                      He was suffering mental health problems and also under the influence of drugs.
                      The taser is a great piece of kit but it's not the be all and end all. Like every other tool at our disposal it might just not work and you should always be prepared for it.

                      Edited to add ................
                      My unit use the M26 and we're supposed to be going over to the X26 soon.
                      Anyone got experience of them both ?
                      Anything I should be aware of ??
                      Any info would be much appreciated.

                      Cheers,

                      Trojan
                      I have used both. I like the X because it is smaller, and you do not have to recharge the batteries on a daily basis. It comes with a self sustained battery back which lasts quite a while. Not to mention it also has the small plastic (fobus like) holster.
                      In law enforcement, the customer is ALWAYS wrong.

                      In God we trust. Everyone else is run through NCIC.

                      Sometimes there is justice. Sometimes there is just us.

                      I'd rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.


                      The opinions given in my posts do not necessarily reflect the opinions, views, policies, and/or procedures of my employing agency. They are my personal opinions only.

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                      • #12
                        FYI - Our agency received information that suspects are learning how to defeat the Tazer --- during an interview with a susp. that was tazed, he stated that he learned from talking with other inmates ways to defeat the Tazer causing the probes to fall out or break. FYI
                        Last edited by lcsok9; 08-19-2005, 03:22 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Be sure that you test your Taser to ensure that it is functioning correctly. I have been hearing of a large number of X26's failing. It sounds like it is some of the more recently made X's that are doing this. One department has 2 of its 3 out for repair right now. I've yet to hear any sort of a problem like this with the M26.

                          The information about defeating the Taser is great info, however it has been sent around department e-mail for a while. It probably wasn't the best idea to post that information on a public internet forum though
                          Nobody ever wants to have to fight, but its a darn good idea for someone to know how.

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                          • #14
                            I have observed voltage variations with the M26, therefore creating an undesired reaction with the subject. The hit just isnt as strong sometimes as others. The X26 is supposed to correct this issue. Taser deployment, with proper training and discretion, should be after Verbal and before hands on in the continuum.
                            http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=tazered.wmv


                            P.S. Our prayers are with the Albuquerque NM, PD Officers.
                            Last edited by DPD144; 08-19-2005, 06:24 PM.
                            "Satisfaction is the Death of Desire"

                            "Common Sense is only Common to those who have it."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SoMDdep
                              The other night at the conclusion of a pursuit a friend of mine used his taser on the suspect. After the first shot, one dart hit the suspects belt and the other in his leg. A full five second birst was given. With the suspects teeth chattering and his leg shaking he merely stated "why are you doing this to me" and pulled the darts out...no real effect. Next taser application was a direct contact to the suspect's chest area for another full five seconds. It made him shiver but no real effect. It later turned out that the suspect had a high dosage of cocaine in him. FYI!!!


                              what taser m26 or x26?

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