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  • Uvalde

    Just came in from lowering my U.S. and Texas flags to half staff.

    We had a storm last night- it looks like God cried.

    Thank you to the brothers that addressed the situation.
    Last edited by Aidokea; 06-05-2022, 07:22 AM. Reason: The story keeps changing.

  • #2
    From what little I’ve read, the Agent is a true selfless HERO, responding alone, he quickly ended the situation.

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    • Aidokea
      Aidokea commented
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      Edited to remove information that is no longer relevant.
      Last edited by Aidokea; 06-05-2022, 12:22 PM.

  • #3
    Originally posted by NolaT View Post
    From what little I’ve read, the Agent is a true selfless HERO, responding alone, he quickly ended the situation.
    Epitome of Active Shooter Response. That’s how we teach it. No teams. No partner. No waiting.

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    • BNWS
      BNWS commented
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      I wonder how we got away from that in the first place.

    • Iowa #1603
      Iowa #1603 commented
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      We got away from it with the formation of SWAT in the 70's. They taught the only way is with a highly trained team to enter.

      Columbine showed that wasn't the way to go since the officers were waiting for SWAT before entering

    • CCCSD
      CCCSD commented
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      Yep. We lost the Hunter-Killer mode…

  • #4
    Waiting to hear the details of what happen with the initial contact with SRO when that coward arrived.
    Getting shot hurts! Don't under estimate the power of live ammo. A .22LR can kill you! I personally feel that it's best to avoid being shot by any caliber. Your vest may stop the bullet, but you'll still get a nice bruise or other injury to remember the experience.

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    • #5
      There are now some accounts from parents and other bystanders that the shooter was in the building unconfronted for more than an hour, with people yelling at officers who were outside that they should go in. At this point, I'm taking these accounts with a grain of salt (rumors tend to run rampant shortly after these scenarios), and I certainly hope that the accounts are wrong, but it's not like we haven't seen it before...
      "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
      -Friedrich Nietzsche

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      • Aidokea
        Aidokea commented
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        Yeah, I've been avoiding posting on that, because it's little more than a rumor at this point.

        I will say that the video that accompanies the story I read, appears to have been taken AFTER the shooter was turned off- there's no time stamp on the video, they've got crime scene tape up, there are multiple agency uniforms visible, there is no gunfire audible in the background, nobody's taking cover- it looks to me like a bunch of cops trying to keep a bunch of screaming people from running amok all over a crime scene that hasn't been processed yet, hours after it was all over. It doesn't look like any ACTIVE active shooter attack I've ever responded to.

        I guess we'll see...
        Last edited by Aidokea; 06-05-2022, 07:24 AM.

    • #6
      I've seen that as well. I hope there's more to it.

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      • #7
        Some parts of the story are beginning to solidify, but there is an anti-cop narrative being pushed that is making it difficult to accurately perceive what really happened.

        The school's exterior doors were supposed to be locked, but a teacher propped one exterior door open, in violation of school policy. The offender entered the school through that door.

        Early reports of the offender being challenged by an SRO, and stories about shots exchanged between an SRO and the offender, were false.

        Reports of the offender wearing body armor, were false.

        The rest of the story is still all over the map.
        Last edited by Aidokea; 06-05-2022, 07:24 AM. Reason: The story keeps changing.

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        • #8
          Officers on scene rescuing their own children. Is this a rumor?

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          • #9
            Originally posted by 1RidgeRunner7 View Post
            Officers on scene rescuing their own children. Is this a rumor?
            Yes. Utter BS.

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            • #10
              Originally posted by Aidokea View Post
              Some parts of the story are beginning to solidify, but there is an anti-cop narrative being pushed that is making it difficult to accurately perceive what really happened.

              The school's exterior doors were supposed to be locked, but a teacher propped one exterior door open, in violation of school policy. The offender entered the school through that door.

              Early reports of the offender being challenged by an SRO, and stories about shots exchanged between an SRO and the offender, were false.

              Reports of the offender wearing body armor, were false.

              The BORTAC guy was off-duty, getting a haircut. His wife is a teacher at the school. She texted him. He borrowed a shotgun from his barber, drove to the school, and killed the offender with it.

              The rest of the story is still all over the map.
              One TEACHER propping a locked door open. That’s what caused this whole massacre. If still alive, I hope it eats you to an early end. If dead…Play Stupid Games…

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              • #11
                Originally posted by 1RidgeRunner7 View Post
                Officers on scene rescuing their own children. Is this a rumor?
                That's part of the anti-cop narrative that's being pushed. They're trying to make it sound like the cops refused to confront the shooter for an extended period of time, that officers just sat there for an hour or so listening to the offender killing kids the whole time. They're trying to make it sound like officers Tased, OC'd, and arrested parents that tried to rescue their own kids. And they're trying to make it sound like the cops rescued their own kids but left everyone else's kids behind.

                I suspect that the truth, is that offender killed all those people within about a minute of barricading himself in that classroom, and spent the next hour being a barricaded felon (not shooting). I suspect that no parents were Tased or arrested. I suspect that the emotional parental confrontations outside the school happened AFTER the offender was dead. And I suspect that officers rescued MANY kids from other classrooms, and some of their own kids may have been among them.

                I'm not claiming officers did everything right, but the anti-cop narrative is setting off my finely-tuned BS detector.

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                • #12
                  So the guy from the barber shop with the borrow shotgun was the Agent who took the shooter out?

                  Was he not armed with an off duty handgun?
                  I can’t imagine going up against an AR with any type of shotgun, I’d feel better with a Glock.

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by NolaT View Post
                    So the guy from the barber shop with the borrow shotgun was the Agent who took the shooter out?
                    No.
                    Last edited by Aidokea; 06-05-2022, 07:26 AM.

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                    • #14
                      People don't want to accept the fact that nothing could've saved those children. Everything I have read, as mentioned above, sounds like he probably killed everyone within a couple of minutes entering those rooms. I understand the transition to a barricaded subject, but the general public will not. The media makes it sound as if cops were outside for an hour going 'damn sucks to be those kids'.

                      There are plenty of photos online showing cops actively evacuating kids from the school.

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                      • moparfan
                        moparfan commented
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                        He's a thought you, me and everyone else doesn't know that. Any number or kids lives could've have been saved, if it weren't for a cowardness chief. We've all signed up knowing the risks. We all know what needs to be done when gun shots are heard. I could only imagine the sounds those officers heard standing in the hallway. I could only imagine what they felt, smelled, tasted.

                        Sometimes rank and respect should be overlooked.
                        In the end 19 young lives lost 2 caring adults died. A father of 4 died days later, husband to one of the teachers. For what thinking there's a barricade vs active shooter? F-it I'm kicking a door and saving who I can. That's my mind set and that if several partners I work with.

                    • #15
                      Edited: Unauthorized poster removed.
                      Last edited by Aidokea; 06-05-2022, 07:28 AM.

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