Just noting the ages of three officers apparently LOD deaths over the last couple of days- Two in Texas (63 and 61 years old) and one in S. Carolina (61 years old) were working patrol at the time. What age should the max be? Should there be one? I'm in my early fifties and will retire soon, but I've heard of officers in their 70's who won't leave even though everyone says they should. Opinions?
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now we are tlking about fitness standards? Where do you set the level? What do you include? cardio,muscles,lung cap, cholesterol, bmi, bone density, hearing, vision, reflex, shoe size, maybe reproductive (if you can't beat 'em outbreed 'em)
The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything
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I don't think there should be an age limit as there is too much variance between individuals. I've worked with a fellow overseas who was in his early 60s that I wouldn't have wanted to tangle with, nor would I have wanted to be the one to tell him he was too old to do his job any longer.I miss you, Dave.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore
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I don't think it's so much age as it is physical and mental ability and sharpness. I have seen late 20's officers so dang fat they are about to split their shirt down the middle. I have also seen late 50's officers who are so ripped they are about to split their shirt down the middle. I'd take the person who takes care of themselves any day, regardless of their age. But I know LACERA has a mandarory retirement age of 62 years when in a patrol capacity.
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I totally agree with the above posts. I don't think these fallen officers were killed because of their age. GOD REST THEIR SOULS!!! Of course no one knows for sure yet about the SC incident, but the other two were sniped by a POS that didn't want to face them. As stated above, I have seen to many officers that can't hardly get out of the car and their gut laps over their duty belt and are only in their 20's."In God we trust, all others we run NCIC"
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There's a retired motor officer from my department- he maintains our department's gym. He's in the gym every day, and when it's not snowing shows up on his Harley.
He's 81 and I'd be perfectly happy going into any situation with him.
It's not about age, it's about what you're doing with your age."The only means we possess to thank them is to try to be as good an American as they were. We might fall well short of their standard, but there is honor in the effort."
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Too Old for Patrol
I was 62 when I retired, sixty four now. I had had tripple by-pass surgery six years prior to retiring. I was in better shape when I retired than I was 10 years prior. Since the original surgery, and one additional surgery this year (fine tuning), I still hit the gym four to five days a week. In addition to cardio-vascular work, I do the weight pile as well. Agencies that require retirement at a certain age, can probably quote all kinds of statistics as to why that's desireable. Still, it's hard to argue with the posts that noted the older guys still able to do what it takes. I'm comfortable in my retirement, as in I enjoy each day of it. That's me though.
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This is a young man's job. If you're still on the road at age 55+, you are a hazard. By that age, you should be behind a desk, or shuffling papers.
And don't feed me the line that a 60 y/o is as good as a younger guy. MAYBE 1/1000 are, but they are few and far between. The same can be said for the 'fat kid' you are comparing him to. Of the guys my place has hired over the last 5 years, ONE is a fat slob that had a hook. The other 2 dozen have been in proper shape.
From what I've seen, at ages even earlier than 55, people tend to get set in their ways, fail to adapt, and retain a mindset that is unsafe and impractical in today's world.What Delta said x2
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Age is not a factor for the most part. A good example is my father, 72 years old in very good shape and strong as a mule with a brain that never ceases to amaze me. With age comes wisdom, something I see lacking with a lot of todays recruits. I see these college kids who a smart but can't fight their way out of a paper bag, zero common sense and scared of their own shadow.Not all, but a lot of them. It's the officer that makes them what they are, not the age.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson
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I'm a 51 year old rookie. I went through the academy when I was 50. No problem with any of the physical stuff. And believe me, there were MANY guys literally half my age who were getting their butts kicked by the regimen. One 26 year old recruit couldn't do more than 2 pushups without rivers of sweat coming off of him. Now that I'm out in the field, I more than hold my own with the young bucks. It's funny how often this old fart is the first one into the fray when it hits the fan. Hmmm. I gotta think more about that one.
I also have a friend on the force who is 55 years old. Believe me, he is at the top of my list of officers I want with me in a dark alley when it gets nasty.
Even though I have aches and pains that were most definitely not there in my 20's, it's mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter.
Aloha,
Bob Maguire
Honolulu PD
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Originally posted by repm View PostI'm a 51 year old rookie. I went through the academy when I was 50. No problem with any of the physical stuff. And believe me, there were MANY guys literally half my age who were getting their butts kicked by the regimen. One 26 year old recruit couldn't do more than 2 pushups without rivers of sweat coming off of him. Now that I'm out in the field, I more than hold my own with the young bucks. It's funny how often this old fart is the first one into the fray when it hits the fan. Hmmm. I gotta think more about that one.
I also have a friend on the force who is 55 years old. Believe me, he is at the top of my list of officers I want with me in a dark alley when it gets nasty.
Even though I have aches and pains that were most definitely not there in my 20's, it's mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter.
Aloha,
Bob Maguire
Honolulu PDI guess I don't have any aches and pains to speak of. Eye's?
Up close is getting a little blurry.
Nothing like a second career as a LEO. Don't show up them young guys to bad Bob. I don't mind and it don't matter!! PM me please.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson
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Well i'm sure to draw some flames but i think officers should be able to atleast be capable of basic assistance should they be needed if they are going to be allowed to work any kinda of beat.
talking that 1/4 mile run only 1 lap on most tracks without stopping in under a 1.30 min
ability and willingness to throw a punch etc.
Course I'mm be honost its kinda nice to show up on a call with a heavier guy on your side if your in confined area aka respondeding to a DV at a home cause weight does have its advantages.
Perfect world has one big guy and one fast guy in every car
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Originally posted by PFL View PostThis is a young man's job. If you're still on the road at age 55+, you are a hazard. By that age, you should be behind a desk, or shuffling papers.
And don't feed me the line that a 60 y/o is as good as a younger guy. MAYBE 1/1000 are, but they are few and far between. The same can be said for the 'fat kid' you are comparing him to. Of the guys my place has hired over the last 5 years, ONE is a fat slob that had a hook. The other 2 dozen have been in proper shape.
From what I've seen, at ages even earlier than 55, people tend to get set in their ways, fail to adapt, and retain a mindset that is unsafe and impractical in today's world.law dog
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