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  • #16
    Cogslave is absolutly right!
    "you want the cuffs off, doc? no problem."
    Say what, doc? you want the guy cuffed back up? Better call hospital security, I'm on my union-mandated coffee break."

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    • #17
      In most cases we will follow the ambulance to the hospital. If a guy gets in handcuffed I usually explain to the ambulance driver and emt's why he is cuffed.

      If he is stable and for some reason they want to remove the restraints I don't see why they can't switch to our frequency and notify us of this before they do it. Either that or if they don't have the freq they could call 911 to relay the info or just simply pull over and we of course would pull over with them to see if there is a problem.
      Prov 17:17 A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

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      • #18
        You can do CPR while the bad guy is cuffed! (he says smiling)
        Only the dead have seen the end of war! PLATO

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        • #19
          I was a street medic in an urban setting in NC for 6 years before my current gig. Our agencies policy was if we had a person in LE custody in our unit then there MUST be a LEO in the back as well. Actually, I think this may even be state law, about 15 years ago there was an incident in one of the counties where a subject was in custody and died in the back of the unit while restrained and the EMS crew couldn't perform adequate care due to the restraints. Our agency had a very good working relationship with local LE, pretty much if we needed to have the restraints removed then LE was more than willing to oblige because they knew we were legit.

          On the other side, when I worked for a rural sevice in VA, we went to an accident where a vehicle that had been chased by several LE agencies crashed. Upon arrival, one subject was cuffed and unresponsive, had obvious spinal trauma, my partner asked the LE to uncuff him so we could attend to him. The LEO would not uncuff him, so my partner cut the cuffs off with bolt cutters. That went over well...ROFLMAO
          Don't worry...all bleeding stops eventually!!

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          • #20
            We always ride with one deputy in EMS van. I speak to medical personel first letting them know of my responsibilities to the prisoner and if they have any questions as to ow the prisoner is restrained. After they are on the stretcher/gurney and handcuffed normally in the front for access to arms so in transit I would not be in danger of prisoner having one arm free and the other with a weapon that I can only remove with a hand cuff key. Leg shackles are a must in my book, unless there is an injury to one or both legs then I know with the pain that he/she is in they are not going anywhere.
            LET IT RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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            • #21
              If I put the cuffs on, they don't come off without my say-so...PERIOD! If EMS or other medical personnel need the cuffs off for medical reasons, they can negotiate with me. If they can give me a good reason to remove the cuffs, and the prisoner isn't being a problem, then I'll consider it. However, there are very few things EMS cannot do to a person in hadcuffs (including putting in an IV).

              Fortunately, in my area, it's rare that we don't see eye-to-eye with EMS or ER personnel. Most of the EMS, docs, and nurses know where the line is drawn when it comes to demanding action from local LE.
              "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
              -Friedrich Nietzsche

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              • #22
                I agree with most of the responders, the cuffs stay on unless I take them off, most sickness/injury that is not obvious is usually of the nature "I don't want to go to jail right now" sickness/injury and the first chance the prisoner gets he/she will take off,,,,,Not on my watch,,,,,EMS don't like it"""""tough""""

                Stay Safe out there
                law dog

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                • #23
                  No, the prisoner is yours. EMS should not remove the handcuffs unless you are present and OK it. They don't even needs keys, they could be taken from the EMS personnel.
                  If the prisoner is cuffed, an officer should ride with him in the ambulance if possible. Otherwise, if they need him uncuffed for treatment that should worked out before they leave or they may have stop in transit to get the cuffs removed if there is a change in the patient's status to warrant it.

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