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    Police: 22 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting
    Monday, April 16, 2007


    BLACKSBURG, Va. — At least 22 are dead after a shooting at Virginia Tech University Monday morning.

    Campus police said there was only one shooter and he is now dead. They are unsure if the shooter was a student.

    "Today the university was struck by a tragedy we consider of monumental proportions," Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said during a press conference shortly after noon. "I cannot begin to convey my own personal sense of loss over this senseless, incomprehensible, heinous act."

    At least one person was killed at West Ambler Johnston, a residence hall, but several others were injured in that shooting. At least 20 were killed at Norris Hall, an engineering building. The dead shooter puts the death toll so far at 22.

    A spokeswoman at Montgomery Regional Hospital said 17 students were being treated there for gunshot wounds, and Carilion New River Valley Medical Center in Christiansburg reports that four people with gunshot wounds were being treated there. Carilion spokeswoman Sharon Honaker said one was in critical condition and three others were stable.

    Judith Chambers, a spokeswoman at Montgomery Regional Hospital, said victims are being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries. The conditions vary and some are in surgery, she said.

    The school's Web site earlier said one shooter was in custody and officials searched for a second shooter as "part of routine police procedure," but during the press conference Monday, police said they believe there was only one shooter.

    Local FOX affiliate WFXR-TV in Richmond reported that one shooting occurred between 7:15 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, and another at 10 a.m. at Norris Hall. The school's Web site confirmed the shooting at opposite ends of the 2,600-acre campus.

    Police also said there is no evidence the two shootings at opposite ends of campus were related.

    Virginia Tech student Blake Harrison said he was on his way to class near Norris Hall when he saw chaos.

    "This teacher comes flying out of Norris, he's bleeding from his arm or his shoulder ... all these students were coming out of Norris trying to take shelter in Randolph [Hall]. All these kids were freaked out," Harrison said.

    The students and faculty were barricading themselves in their classrooms after what one person described as an Asian student wearing a vest opened fire.

    The shooter was "wearing a vest covered in clips was just unloading on their door, going from classroom to classroom … they said it never seemed like it was going to stop and there was just blood all over," Harrison said.

    Matt Merone, a campus senior, was on his way to campus Monday morning when he saw a police officer grab a male student who was bleeding from his stomach area and put him into a vehicle, which whisked him away. He told FOX News that his roommate saw the first shooting.

    Police are on the scene and are investigating along with the FBI. All classes have been canceled, according to the campus newspaper, The Collegiate Times, and students and faculty have been told to stay inside. Tuesday classes have also been canceled. Faculty and staff on the Burruss Hall side of the campus drillfield are being released and asked to go home effective immediately. Faculty and staff on the War Memorial Hall side of the drillfield are asked to leave at 12:30 p.m.

    The campus newspaper also reported that because of serious wind, helicopters cannot be used to transfer the injured. Ambulances are apparently being used to transport the victims to Montgomery Regional Hospital.

    The university community is urged to be cautious. Anyone who observes anything suspicious or has information about this case is encouraged to contact the Virginia Tech Police at (540) 231-6411.

    "There are police driving throughout the neighborhoods with a loudspeaker saying, 'This is an emergency, everyone stay inside, we're looking for suspicious activity," Brittany Sammon, a senior Virginia Tech student staying at an apartment off campus, told FOX News on Monday. "There's no one outside at all, there's no traffic, there's nothing … everyone's doing what they said."

    Sammon, who has a brother and roommate confined to their buildings on campus, said she first got the e-mail from the school regarding the shooting at 9:30 a.m. Monday.

    "It was just very short and brief and kind of scary, because it didn't have any details at all in it," she said. "It's definitely nerve wracking."

    The West Ambler Johnston dorm, commonly known on campus as West AJ, houses about 895 students and is located near West End Market and Dietrick Dining Center.

    Virginia Tech has the largest full-time student population in Virginia, with more than 25,000 students. It consists of eight colleges and graduate school and offers 60 bachelor's degree programs and 140 master's and doctoral degree programs.

    The main campus includes more than 100 buildings located on 2,600 acres, and includes an airport.

    Last August, the campus was closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard and a sheriff's deputy involved in a massive manhunt. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

    On April 13, the campus closed three of its academic halls after they received a letter stating that explosive devices were in the building. Classes were canceled for the remainder of the day. A bomb threat was also made against Torgerson Hall on April 2.

    "For some reason, this just seemed a little different … it was more than just a sick joke someone was playing," one student told FOX News about those bomb threats.

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    Of additional interest :

    Gun bill gets shot down by panel
    HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

    By Greg Esposito
    381-1675

    A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

    House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

    The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

    Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

    Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

    Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

    The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

    Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

    In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Ghostrider_RSA
    Police: 22 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting
    Monday, April 16, 2007


    BLACKSBURG, Va. — At least 22 are dead after a shooting at Virginia Tech University Monday morning.

    Campus police said there was only one shooter and he is now dead. They are unsure if the shooter was a student.

    "Today the university was struck by a tragedy we consider of monumental proportions," Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said during a press conference shortly after noon. "I cannot begin to convey my own personal sense of loss over this senseless, incomprehensible, heinous act."

    At least one person was killed at West Ambler Johnston, a residence hall, but several others were injured in that shooting. At least 20 were killed at Norris Hall, an engineering building. The dead shooter puts the death toll so far at 22.

    A spokeswoman at Montgomery Regional Hospital said 17 students were being treated there for gunshot wounds, and Carilion New River Valley Medical Center in Christiansburg reports that four people with gunshot wounds were being treated there. Carilion spokeswoman Sharon Honaker said one was in critical condition and three others were stable.

    Judith Chambers, a spokeswoman at Montgomery Regional Hospital, said victims are being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries. The conditions vary and some are in surgery, she said.

    The school's Web site earlier said one shooter was in custody and officials searched for a second shooter as "part of routine police procedure," but during the press conference Monday, police said they believe there was only one shooter.

    Local FOX affiliate WFXR-TV in Richmond reported that one shooting occurred between 7:15 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, and another at 10 a.m. at Norris Hall. The school's Web site confirmed the shooting at opposite ends of the 2,600-acre campus.

    Police also said there is no evidence the two shootings at opposite ends of campus were related.

    Virginia Tech student Blake Harrison said he was on his way to class near Norris Hall when he saw chaos.

    "This teacher comes flying out of Norris, he's bleeding from his arm or his shoulder ... all these students were coming out of Norris trying to take shelter in Randolph [Hall]. All these kids were freaked out," Harrison said.

    The students and faculty were barricading themselves in their classrooms after what one person described as an Asian student wearing a vest opened fire.

    The shooter was "wearing a vest covered in clips was just unloading on their door, going from classroom to classroom … they said it never seemed like it was going to stop and there was just blood all over," Harrison said.

    Matt Merone, a campus senior, was on his way to campus Monday morning when he saw a police officer grab a male student who was bleeding from his stomach area and put him into a vehicle, which whisked him away. He told FOX News that his roommate saw the first shooting.

    Police are on the scene and are investigating along with the FBI. All classes have been canceled, according to the campus newspaper, The Collegiate Times, and students and faculty have been told to stay inside. Tuesday classes have also been canceled. Faculty and staff on the Burruss Hall side of the campus drillfield are being released and asked to go home effective immediately. Faculty and staff on the War Memorial Hall side of the drillfield are asked to leave at 12:30 p.m.

    The campus newspaper also reported that because of serious wind, helicopters cannot be used to transfer the injured. Ambulances are apparently being used to transport the victims to Montgomery Regional Hospital.

    The university community is urged to be cautious. Anyone who observes anything suspicious or has information about this case is encouraged to contact the Virginia Tech Police at (540) 231-6411.

    "There are police driving throughout the neighborhoods with a loudspeaker saying, 'This is an emergency, everyone stay inside, we're looking for suspicious activity," Brittany Sammon, a senior Virginia Tech student staying at an apartment off campus, told FOX News on Monday. "There's no one outside at all, there's no traffic, there's nothing … everyone's doing what they said."

    Sammon, who has a brother and roommate confined to their buildings on campus, said she first got the e-mail from the school regarding the shooting at 9:30 a.m. Monday.

    "It was just very short and brief and kind of scary, because it didn't have any details at all in it," she said. "It's definitely nerve wracking."

    The West Ambler Johnston dorm, commonly known on campus as West AJ, houses about 895 students and is located near West End Market and Dietrick Dining Center.

    Virginia Tech has the largest full-time student population in Virginia, with more than 25,000 students. It consists of eight colleges and graduate school and offers 60 bachelor's degree programs and 140 master's and doctoral degree programs.

    The main campus includes more than 100 buildings located on 2,600 acres, and includes an airport.

    Last August, the campus was closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard and a sheriff's deputy involved in a massive manhunt. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

    On April 13, the campus closed three of its academic halls after they received a letter stating that explosive devices were in the building. Classes were canceled for the remainder of the day. A bomb threat was also made against Torgerson Hall on April 2.

    "For some reason, this just seemed a little different … it was more than just a sick joke someone was playing," one student told FOX News about those bomb threats.

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    Of additional interest :

    Gun bill gets shot down by panel
    HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

    By Greg Esposito
    381-1675

    A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

    House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

    The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

    Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

    Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

    Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

    The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

    Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

    In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
    In lite of this horric incident, why people find it SO necessary to claim that "if they had a gun things would be different"????????Most college campuses are dealing with maturing young people and suicide rates are high on alot of college campuses,ditto alcoholic bev abuse and immature individuals running about-why would you add fuel to the fire? This isn't the open frontier days- modern L.E. is quite capable of providing the basic protection needed. What you are not looking at is the idea that MOST people are NOT responsible gun owners!In a terrible situation like this, a bunch of students running around armed aren't going to know who they should be engaging and are more than likely to get shot or killed by responding police or security forces.this definitely NOT the time to push PRO CCW issues...........
    "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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    • #3
      [QUOTE=DOAcop38]In lite of this horric incident, why people find it SO necessary to claim that "if they had a gun things would be different"????????Most college campuses are dealing with maturing young people and suicide rates are high on alot of college campuses,ditto alcoholic bev abuse and immature individuals running about-why would you add fuel to the fire? This isn't the open frontier days- modern L.E. is quite capable of providing the basic protection needed. What you are not looking at is the idea that MOST people are NOT responsible gun owners!In a terrible situation like this, a bunch of students running around armed aren't going to know who they should be engaging and are more than likely to get shot or killed by responding police or security forces.this definitely NOT the time to push PRO CCW issues...........[/QUOT

      I am in college right now myself. I assure you brother, if that happened in my hall, it would have been different. He may have gotten me, but I would have gone done swinging with guns blazing. As Officers we should carry everywhere, school, church, you name it. I do not think that a bunch of frat boys and artsy fartsy college kids may have had the stomach to do something, but one of us would. Remember, Sheeps, Wolves, and us.......Sheepdogs.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DOAcop38
        this definitely NOT the time to push PRO CCW issues...........
        Goes both ways.....as the left is pushing the anti-CCW stuff all afternoon on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.......

        Just wait til Rosie's the Vampire, Mikey Bloomberg, Sara Brady, and the rest of the left wing nuts get a hold of this......

        I would suspect that Mr. Hymietown and Mr. Tawana Brawley will be jumping on the bandwagon any minute now since Imus is done......

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        • #5
          Sheeps..Wolves..Sheepdogs

          [QUOTE=J Bo1664]
          Originally posted by DOAcop38
          In lite of this horric incident, why people find it SO necessary to claim that "if they had a gun things would be different"????????Most college campuses are dealing with maturing young people and suicide rates are high on alot of college campuses,ditto alcoholic bev abuse and immature individuals running about-why would you add fuel to the fire? This isn't the open frontier days- modern L.E. is quite capable of providing the basic protection needed. What you are not looking at is the idea that MOST people are NOT responsible gun owners!In a terrible situation like this, a bunch of students running around armed aren't going to know who they should be engaging and are more than likely to get shot or killed by responding police or security forces.this definitely NOT the time to push PRO CCW issues...........[/QUOT

          I am in college right now myself. I assure you brother, if that happened in my hall, it would have been different. He may have gotten me, but I would have gone done swinging with guns blazing. As Officers we should carry everywhere, school, church, you name it. I do not think that a bunch of frat boys and artsy fartsy college kids may have had the stomach to do something, but one of us would. Remember, Sheeps, Wolves, and us.......Sheepdogs.
          I love your analogy and also consider myself a sheepdog..but there are plenty of responsible non-L.E that I dont mind having concealed permits and actually carrying..I just wish one of them or us was at VA Tech today..Did they even confirm that the first dorm shooting was related to the second classroom shooting two hours later? It really is ironic our department finally let us start training our officers in "Active Shooter" drills at the range last week. I hope this helps the powers that approve us training at the range with ammo cost and training time get off our backs and allow us to train for nuts like that guy today with more shoot and move job related realistic shooting. I hope the people of this country will see now how worthless strict gun policies prevented nothing today except assuring the only person in that school who was armed was the nut case who killed over 30 but why would they,,it isn't the first and will not be the last...
          "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The MARINES don't have that problem." ....Ronald Reagan

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DOAcop38
            In lite of this horric incident, why people find it SO necessary to claim that "if they had a gun things would be different"????????Most college campuses are dealing with maturing young people and suicide rates are high on alot of college campuses,ditto alcoholic bev abuse and immature individuals running about-why would you add fuel to the fire? This isn't the open frontier days- modern L.E. is quite capable of providing the basic protection needed. What you are not looking at is the idea that MOST people are NOT responsible gun owners!In a terrible situation like this, a bunch of students running around armed aren't going to know who they should be engaging and are more than likely to get shot or killed by responding police or security forces.this definitely NOT the time to push PRO CCW issues...........
            Get off your self-righteous high horse. You know that the Dims will be crawling all over this before the day is up blaming the incident on lack of gun legislation. The "Justuce Brothers" will be out there on campus claiming that minorities were somehow targetted, etc. Soon they'll be able to somehow trace the tragedy back to Bush

            I appreciated the interesting connection between the shooting incident and efforts by the school administration to keep their students defenseless. Makes sense to me. You think that dude would have walked into the local gun club on a Saturday morning to find his girlfriend if she had been in attendance? Not on your life! He knew no one on campus who didn't want to be kicked out or imprisoned would have a gun!

            Just wait, the Dims will milk this incident to get another assault weapon ban passed. Sad to see politicians exploit tragedy.
            He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.
            -- Nietzsche

            Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter.
            -- Hemingway

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              In lite of this horric incident, why people find it SO necessary to claim that "if they had a gun things would be different"????????
              Because if they had a gun...things would have been different.

              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              Most college campuses are dealing with maturing young people...
              You mean those people that are the same age as most military personnel on their first tour of duty?

              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              modern L.E. is quite capable of providing the basic protection needed.
              Today went way beyond the "basic protection needed" and a lot of people died.

              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              What you are not looking at is the idea that MOST people are NOT responsible gun owners!
              Where are you getting your data? Most CCW licensees are VERY responsible and rarely involved in crime.

              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              In a terrible situation like this, a bunch of students running around armed aren't going to know who they should be engaging
              How about the guy killing everybody? Thats a good target to start with.

              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              ...more than likely to get shot or killed by responding police or security forces.
              More than likely if a citizen was armed the whole thing would have been over before the police or security arrived.

              Originally posted by DOAcop38
              this definitely NOT the time to push PRO CCW issues...........

              I contend it is the oppertune time.
              Fear not the armed citizen but rather the government that tries to disarm him.

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              • #8
                Because if they had a gun...things would have been different.

                Yeah.. more people would have been shot.


                "You mean those people that are the same age as most military personnel on their first tour of duty?"

                Military personel have training... College students are recovering from a hangover. I'm so glad you can compare the two. Thanks.

                "Today went way beyond the "basic protection needed" and a lot of people died."

                Than you provide "above" the basic protection.. not arm Joe Schmoe who can barely the handle the responsibility to drive...

                Where are you getting your data? Most CCW licensees are VERY responsible and rarely involved in crime.
                Where are you getting your data?

                How about the guy killing everybody? Thats a good target to start with.

                If they could have hit him without getting themselves killed

                More than likely if a citizen was armed the whole thing would have been over before the police or security arrived.

                Or he/she would have shot themselves in the foot, or more people.
                Last edited by MPSoldier84; 04-16-2007, 08:53 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                  Because if they had a gun...things would have been different.

                  Yeah.. more people would have been shot.


                  "You mean those people that are the same age as most military personnel on their first tour of duty?"

                  Military personel have training... College students are recovering from a hangover. I'm so glad you can compare the two. Thanks.

                  "Today went way beyond the "basic protection needed" and a lot of people died."

                  Than you provide "above" the basic protection.. not arm Joe Schmoe who can barely the handle the responsibility to drive...

                  Where are you getting your data? Most CCW licensees are VERY responsible and rarely involved in crime.
                  Where are you getting your data?

                  How about the guy killing everybody? Thats a good target to start with.

                  If they could have hit him without getting themselves killed

                  More than likely if a citizen was armed the whole thing would have been over before the police or security arrived.

                  Or he/she would have shot themselves in the foot, or more people.

                  I am a current police officer, military combat veteran, and a former VT student. Before I left VT 2 yrs ago, I carried a gun to class everyday as a reserve police officer; but that was a huge strugle with the VT police dept to allow that (I was a reserve officer in NC, but had a VA CCW permit; before you get into this issue- I had completed the fulltime police academy and yearly inservice just like any fulltime NC officer. NC doesn't set lower training standards for reserve or parttime officers.)

                  I attended the academy over the summer while still a student. Before this time I had a CCW permit, but was not permitted to carry a weapon on school property for fear of discipline by the university. Are you saying that a 21 year old college student who has a military combat tour under his belt should not be allowed to carry a weapon on campus?

                  I have several friends who are still students at VT and members of my National Guard unit. Are you saying that they shouldn't be able to arm themselves? Thank God they are all OK. If one of them had a weapon with them today would it have made a difference? Who knows, but things couldn't have gotten any worse.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                    Yeah.. more people would have been shot.
                    How do you know that...? You don't....your just taking your perception of the college students you hung out with and think that they are all like that....

                    Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                    Military personel have training... College students are recovering from a hangover. I'm so glad you can compare the two. Thanks.
                    Do you have any idea what it takes to get a CCW....? It takes training. If you try to tell me that your training at Ft. Lost-in-the-Woods was highspeed....I am going to laugh in your face....I know better.... Been there/done that.

                    Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                    Where are you getting your data?
                    Hell...I can say I can get my data from the liberal media. If a CCW folks were blasting people and the streets were flowing with blood....don't you think they would be reporting it...?

                    Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                    Or he/she would have shot themselves in the foot, or more people.
                    Once again...how do you know that....? I know LEOs that I wouldn't trust with a weapon......I also know guys that I would depend my life on that grew up shooting...... How can you lump everyone together....? You can't......

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                    • #11
                      We are all looking at the wrong problem guys. The people who commit gun crimes most of the time do not have CCW. I am mad at the people who sell guns at gun shows and the type of guns that are available to civilians, there should be federal law on gun sales and ownership. Because you know the local gangbanger did not get the gun from a local dealer he got it from a scum bag who got it from his buddy who has a license to sell guns or buys it from dealers and not to mention the *** that sold his gun outside of the gun show to whoever. I dont care if a responsible person has a gun.

                      I care about the criminal or unstable person with a gun. I stongly belive guns should have unique numbers registered to owners.

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                      • #12
                        Your right, the training at Ft. Lost in the Woods wasn't enough to justify me carrying a weapon CCW. If I wasn't a Police Officer as a civilian, I can't see me carrying a weapon onto a College Campus. A reserve police officer carrying a weapon, I can see.. yes.

                        But I DO NOT believe, that we should arm regular College Students.

                        Maybe I am unfamiliar with VA's requirements for a CCW Permit.. After all in PA you just walk into a Sherrifs Office, and give them 25 dollars and you walk out that day with a card that says you can carry a gun. But in order for someone to be allowed to knowingly carry a firearm into a Campus without restriction... there should be proof that the individual is properly trained.

                        WHAT KILLS ME is you all are police officers. You want almost every car you conduct a traffic stop on to be ARMED?!?!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                          Maybe I am unfamiliar with VA's requirements for a CCW Permit.. After all in PA you just walk into a Sherrifs Office, and give them 25 dollars and you walk out that day with a card that says you can carry a gun. But in order for someone to be allowed to knowingly carry a firearm into a Campus without restriction... there should be proof that the individual is properly trained.

                          Resident Concealed Handgun Permits

                          Virginia Resident Concealed Handgun Permits are issued by the circuit court of the county or city in which the applicant resides. Please contact the applicable court for specific instruction on the application process.

                          Virginia Code Section 18.2-308 - Prohibits the carrying of any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack; any flailing instrument consisting of two or more rigid parts connected in such a manner as to allow them to swing freely, which may be known as a nun chahka, nun chuck, nunchaku, shuriken, or fighting chain; any disc, of whatever configuration, having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart; or any weapon of like kind by any person hidden from common observance about his person. Any of the enumerated weapons shall be seized and forfeited to the Commonwealth. A weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature.

                          Based on the statute and decisions rendered by the Supreme Court, a weapon is considered to be concealed at any time it is placed in a location as to be within reach of the person, without the person being required to make an overt act to retrieve such weapon, when such weapon is hidden from common observation. Placing a weapon under the seat, on the seat hidden from common observation, or at any location from which the weapon can readily be retrieved is considered to be concealed. A person carrying a weapon in the unlocked glove compartment of an automobile, if the person does not have a permit or otherwise fall within any statutory exemption, is a violation of § 18.2-308(A), unless some particular fact or circumstance renders the weapon inaccessible.

                          Application for a Concealed Handgun Permit

                          Any person 21 years of age or older may apply in writing to the clerk of the circuit court of the county or city in which he or she resides, or if he is a member of the United States armed forces, the county or city in which he is domiciled, for a five-year permit to carry a concealed handgun. There is no requirement as to the length of time an applicant for a Concealed Handgun Permit must have been a resident or domiciliary of the county or city where he or she resides.

                          The application may be obtained from the circuit court, sheriff’s office, or police department. The form (SP-248 Application for Concealed Handgun Permit) also may be downloaded and/or printed from this web site. This form can be viewed, downloaded and/or printed by visiting the Virginia State Police Forms page.

                          The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence:

                          Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state;
                          Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
                          Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;
                          Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
                          Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;
                          Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;
                          Completing any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;
                          Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or
                          Completing any other firearms training which the court deems adequate.
                          A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this subsection.
                          The court shall charge a fee of $10.00 for the processing of an application or issuing of a permit. Local law enforcement agencies may charge a fee not to exceed $35.00 to cover the cost of conducting an investigation pursuant to this Code section. The State Police may charge a fee not to exceed $5.00 to cover the cost associated with processing the application. The total amount of the charges may not exceed $50.00, and payment may be made by any method accepted by the court.

                          No fee shall be charged for the issuance of a permit to a person who has retired from service as a magistrate in the Commonwealth or as a law enforcement officer with the Department of State Police, or with a sheriff or police department, bureau or force of any political subdivision of the Commonwealth of Virginia, any game warden retired from the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, and any Virginia Marine Police officer retired from the Law Enforcement Division of the Virginia Marine Resources Commission, after completing fifteen years’ service or after reaching age 55 nor to any person who has retired after completing 20 years service or after reaching age 55 from service as a law enforcement officer with the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Secret Service Agency, Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Naturalization Service, Customs Service, Department of State Diplomatic Security Service, or Naval Criminal Investigative Service, after completing fifteen years of service or after reaching age fifty-five as a law-enforcement officer with any police or sheriff's department within the United States, the District of Columbia or any of the territories of the United States, after completing fifteen years of service.

                          The court shall issue the permit within 45 days of receipt of the completed application unless it appears that the applicant is disqualified.

                          The person issued a permit or in possession of a de facto permit must have the permit on his person at all times during which he is carrying a concealed handgun and must display the permit and a photo-identification issued by a government agency of the Commonwealth or by the United States Department of Defense or United States State Department upon demand by a law enforcement officer.


                          http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_...Concealed.shtm

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                            Your right, the training at Ft. Lost in the Woods wasn't enough to justify me carrying a weapon CCW. If I wasn't a Police Officer as a civilian, I can't see me carrying a weapon onto a College Campus. A reserve police officer carrying a weapon, I can see.. yes.

                            But I DO NOT believe, that we should arm regular College Students.

                            Maybe I am unfamiliar with VA's requirements for a CCW Permit.. After all in PA you just walk into a Sherrifs Office, and give them 25 dollars and you walk out that day with a card that says you can carry a gun. But in order for someone to be allowed to knowingly carry a firearm into a Campus without restriction... there should be proof that the individual is properly trained.

                            WHAT KILLS ME is you all are police officers. You want almost every car you conduct a traffic stop on to be ARMED?!?!
                            Here are VA's requirements:
                            http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_...Concealed.shtm

                            While the training is relatively easy, at least it's something.

                            And yes, I would like every driver I stop to be LEGALLY armed. These drivers are required to inform you that there is a weapon in the car. The ones I worry about are the gang bangers who carry guns illegally. Those people can still be charged and they are under no requirement to inform you that they are carrying a weapon because they are already breaking the law. Those are the ones I fear.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MPSoldier84
                              WHAT KILLS ME is you all are police officers. You want almost every car you conduct a traffic stop on to be ARMED?!?!
                              In over 20 years of being a Civilian LEO and Military LEO....guess how many CCW holders I have arrested for doing stuff against the law.....???

                              ZERO!!

                              CCW holders as a whole are very, very lawbiding citizens....... It's the criminals/idiots without the training that are the ones doing stuff....

                              Yeah...you will get a few here in there....but you are going to get that with any group of people....

                              Besides....if you are not treating every traffic stop as if the driver or occupants are armed....you need to get more training.......

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