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  • Mike 842
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    Originally posted by smith0096
    He does just enough to get by, delays his tasks up til the deadline, does not receive negative feedback well, will counter-argue a point just to argue a simple point. Yes, he's a friend. A beer drinking, bowling bowl throwing, titty bar going friend no, but if you had a flat tire at 0400 hours, he'd be there. We had an officer die last week or two, age 44, heart attack, while getting dressed for work after showering at the gym, this officer took care of the casket watch, ordered all the flowers, kept in constant communication with the officers family, I mean everything....unasked just took to the tasks. He will finish a report, good reports, he will never "not" respond to a call, never delegates a call to a lower officer...He's just lazy. The other night he had a directive from the chief asking an interview be completed before end of shift (2300). This fell on a Tuesday (his Friday). The officer stopped at the house at 1900 and again at 2000 hours. No one home until 2130 hours. This officer felt 2130 hours was too late to stop and interview a 42 year old parent involved in posible child abuse. In speaking with him, over the phone, he asked what I would have done. I replied, got it done as it was a directive. He replied, he I didn't see it that way. Its these little things that get my *** in a jam.
    Taking your post at face value, you should have went with him and stood by while he complied with the 'chief's directive', and conducted some interview that should've been handled by DB or DYS.You should have also been ready to produce an overtime card with your signature so he could be paid for working past his shift. He doesn't sound like a "bad " officer, just one that's tired of being used, and not being backed up by his supervisor.

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  • ateamer
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    Originally posted by smith0096
    He does just enough to get by, delays his tasks up til the deadline,
    Then he is meeting standards. With the exception of not meeting that one deadline described at the end of the post, if he is otherwise making his deadlines, then there is no reason to require more of him. Ask him, yes, but not require it. As long as tasks are done by deadline, how can you fault him for turning it in on time?

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  • smith0096
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    He does just enough to get by, delays his tasks up til the deadline, does not receive negative feedback well, will counter-argue a point just to argue a simple point. Yes, he's a friend. A beer drinking, bowling bowl throwing, ***** bar going friend no, but if you had a flat tire at 0400 hours, he'd be there. We had an officer die last week or two, age 44, heart attack, while getting dressed for work after showering at the gym, this officer took care of the casket watch, ordered all the flowers, kept in constant communication with the officers family, I mean everything....unasked just took to the tasks. He will finish a report, good reports, he will never "not" respond to a call, never delegates a call to a lower officer...He's just lazy. The other night he had a directive from the chief asking an interview be completed before end of shift (2300). This fell on a Tuesday (his Friday). The officer stopped at the house at 1900 and again at 2000 hours. No one home until 2130 hours. This officer felt 2130 hours was too late to stop and interview a 42 year old parent involved in posible child abuse. In speaking with him, over the phone, he asked what I would have done. I replied, got it done as it was a directive. He replied, he I didn't see it that way. Its these little things that get my *** in a jam.
    Last edited by Tim Dees; 04-02-2007, 09:29 AM. Reason: Offensive language

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  • DOAcop38
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    Originally posted by S.O.4
    I had stripes for 13 years before getting the bars. I have always operated on the principal that when I'm on duty I have no friends. Over the years all my true friends - both those above and below me in rank - have had the same view. If someone wants to be a slug and then expects you to cover their *** because you are a 'friend', the reality is they they are not really your friend at all. Real friends don't expect friends to compromise their position. While I understand that I am a hard-nosed old bastard, I tell my sergeants that they have two choices - either be a sergeant or turn in your stripes.

    Thats a sad and "hard***ed" approach, and it builds resentment.People NEED to know that the people they work for actually CARE about them and what they deal with .As a senoir officer on my watch ,I've found younger officers coming to me for advice or direction more so than the Sgts and Lts- reason? Unapproachable personalities.The BEST supervisors CAN walk that fine line-calling officers by their first names,builds closeness, but at the same time telling someone to "get it done now".In todays policing ,you have to be flexible in performing the job.I've sen the inflexible types in charge- they get very little out of their employees except being on time,and LEAVING on time.....

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  • J_Mann
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    Bottom line, you've got stripes for a reason. You have an obligation to do whatever is best for the department. If that means moving an officer on,then you gotta do what ya gotta do.

    Does your department require officers to keep their numbers up? Maybe he's just burnt out.

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  • mobrien316
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    Is the officer flat-out not doing his job? As in not filing reports, refusing to do investigations, not showing up on calls for service? Etc...

    Or, is the officer doing the absolute bare minimum required? Or something really close to it?

    If it is the first situation then you clearly have a job to do as a supervisor. If he isn't doing his work I guarantee you he knows it. If he tries to use friendship as a shield then he is not really your friend. A friend would realize not only that he is not doing his job but also that you have to do yours.


    If it is the second situation, then give him a pat on the back and let him know you appreciate his efforts. If he is doing the absolute bare minimum required then, in other words, he is doing his job. The best way to get him to do more is to acknowledge what he is doing and let him know you appreciate it.

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  • PFL
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    If the guy is your friend, then have a man to man with him and tell him that you're getting your balls busted because of him. That might light a fire. If not, then start making work for him by assigning him to junior man details, set aside a time that he must do radar, etc.

    On the other hand, if you're trying to change the guy to show your bosses that you're a hero, and brought a slug back to life, then I'm not behind you.

    We have a guy at my place who just got his stripes and thinks he's god's gift. While he was a good officer, he did the absolute bare minimum when it came to production. Now when he tries to tell guys to write more tickets, we're all thinking that he's an *******. He's looking only to promote himself to the brass, which I find pathetic. This guy was my friend until those chevrons were put on his sleeves. He forgets that we know how to do our jobs, and micromanages us- something that he abhorred when he was a lowly patrolman.

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  • smith0096
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    it has become a standing joke...a joke until my *** got involved now its my headache. i appreicate the advise.

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  • just joe
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    What Blazin413 said. Unfortunately, you have inherited a problem that someone else wouldn't deal with years ago, but back then, it might have been a different dept.(?). You are going to have to hold him accountable, so you get to be the dick. I assume the rest of the patrol staff knows he is a slug, so there shouldn't be any hard feelings from anyone.

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  • Plaso
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    The bottom line is that you are the supervisor and paid to get the job done.

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  • Blazin413
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    If the Officer can't make a distinction between friend and supervisor when necessary, it's his problem, not yours. Do your job so you don't lose it.

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  • smith0096
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    let me try to explain the laziness, in my opinion, as it relates to his invesitgations. this officer works saturday-tuesday, 10 hour shifts, 0700-1700 hours on saturday and sunday and 1500-0100 hours on monday and tuesday. saturday's are his mondays and no one is a spark on monday. sundays are his tuesday, however he feels the public should enjoy their sundays so nothing is ever accomplished on his tuesday. his wednesday is a monday for the public and no one is ever in a good mood on monday. tuesdays are his fridays and of course no officer wants to finish the work week with a ball buster report or investigation, so that investigation is put off until his monday, which is a saturday. unless, i either delegate it to another officer or finish it myelf. i work the streets and not to brag but my numbers blow the rest out of the sewer...no reflection to the town...well maybe. this laziness has been there since day one, day one of his employment. he's got years on me at the department but years of service...hell im 41...he has an excuse for everything and will spend 20 minutes talking himself out of a 10 minute report. we all have them, as i've been told...god help me or shoot me now.

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  • gammyland
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    STOP IT NOW!!!!!!! I'm only simple patrol cop but I've seen a fellow cop, who no longer works with us, go down the same path. If you dont do anything to improve the 85% or the 6 hours of doing nothing it will only be worse. If they are a senior officer with alot of time in you'll see the junior officers showing signs of the same problem when they see that they only have to give 85 %. We all get paid the same no matter how hard we work if we don't get in trouble. With in a few years I've lost my young cop mentallity of "go get 'em" No I work because I like my job and understand that I NEED to do a good job, My SGT's demand it and I don't have a problem with it.

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  • S.O.4
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    I had stripes for 13 years before getting the bars. I have always operated on the principal that when I'm on duty I have no friends. Over the years all my true friends - both those above and below me in rank - have had the same view. If someone wants to be a slug and then expects you to cover their *** because you are a 'friend', the reality is they they are not really your friend at all. Real friends don't expect friends to compromise their position. While I understand that I am a hard-nosed old bastard, I tell my sergeants that they have two choices - either be a sergeant or turn in your stripes.

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  • Sgt. Geezer
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    I know I don't have the answers you are looking for because you probably are in a large agency with many Officers and I have no experience in that type arena.
    I do however think that the Sergeant's position is the intermediate slot between the Rank-N-File and the Brass that is most responsible for taking care of the troops. In turn .... they usually will respect and take care of you.
    Total honesty and very plain talk. Something must get done that is not? Say so.
    You are given the responsibility of generating appraisals.... The people under your umbrella must know what is required in advance of any sit downs.
    This is what we need and this is what is expected of you. You chose not to try ..... the result will be this.
    You have issues I should know about.........talk to me.
    Straight forthright goals and minimum expectations / requirements. He who works the hardest gets the carrots.

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