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    A long, long, time ago I asked one of our firearms instructors about using a cross draw holster. He gave a very negative response. He acted as if I were an idiot for even posing the question. I guess I bruised his little ego with my stupid question. Here were his reasons why a cross draw holster is a “stupid idea”.

    1. Too easy for a bad guy to take from you and when he pulls it from the holster it’s already pointing at you.
    2. Your weapon isn’t pointing in the right direction when you draw your weapon so now you have to make both a vertical AND a horizontal adjustment.

    I was a mere cadet so I didn’t argue with him but I’d like to discuss the issue w/ you guys now that I have 20+ years under my duty belt.

    I think he’s right about number one IF you wear it out on the hip but he’s obviously incorrect if you wear it in front of your left hip and if you use a proper bladed interview stance. With such a stance your weapon is basically already pointed at the interviewee’s feet. Granted if it’s worn as I described you wouldn’t have your entire body shielding your weapon BUT in a crowded barroom his buddy can’t sneak up on you as easily from your off side and relieve you of your weapon either. I might argue that anyone approaching your weapon has to approach more from your front and is more likely to at least be in your peripheral vision. Meanwhile, my off-hand can casually rest on the holster or weapon while I “talk” or do whatever with my strong hand. Additionally, if someone were to reach for my weapon I could secure it further by bending over and twisting away to create distance. One more note… if Jimmy Dummy reaches for my weapon worn as described he has to extend his arm into an area where it’s easier for me to strike the invasive arm.

    Number two is also, IMO, incorrect. I shoot from a modified weaver stance, much like a bladed interview stance, so the weapon only needs to be adjusted vertically once it’s drawn. Actually, carrying my weapon on my right hip and shooting from a modified weaver position results in a need for both vertical and horizontal adjustments. Drawing from a cross draw holster positioned in front of my left hip requires less adjustment. If you consider economy of motion a cross draw seems to make more sense if you're shooting from a modified waever PLUS it's a whole lot easier to draw a weapon from a cross draw IF you ever need to while seated in your patrol vehicle.

    Addendum: I’ve personally always been more concerned with weapon retention as opposed to being a Quick Draw McGraw. I don’t know what the current stats are but back in the day it was reportedly true that 7 of 10 cops who were shot were shot with their own weapons.

    Addendum #2 – Another bonus = increased comfort while seated.

    What am I missing? What say ye?

    Oh yea… they issued us tactical vests and guess what… it comes with a built in cross draw holster! LMAO! Should I return it to quartermaster because wearing a cross draw holster is patently unsafe, foolish and only to be considered by an idiot? (That was a rhetorical question.)

  • #2
    Originally posted by Camo Cop
    Should I return it to quartermaster because wearing a cross draw holster is patently unsafe, foolish and only to be considered by an idiot? (That was a rhetorical question.)
    ...from the horse's mouth(a rhetorical answer)

    Someone went through a lot of thought determining an officer's weapon should be located on his/her strong side. If I were still active, I'd stay with what I was taught at the L.A.S.O. academy. Changing what you've been doing for the past twenty years, is receipt for disaster. In a stress situation, you will most certainly fall back to what you originally learned. That one or two seconds might be the difference between life and death.

    Good luck though
    "Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought" ~Henri Louis Bergson


    • #3
      Options are yours

      If you spend a great deal of time in a vehicle .... be it for patrol or undercover a cross draw is in my mind beneficial. I do not have one because of my preference for shoulder holsters ... which if you think about it serves the same purpose as a CD in the auto.

      When in uniform I carry a J frame on my ankle... not only for the value as a BUG but because it is readily accessible when sitting in the vehicle and folks don't recognize you for being a "nervous Nelly".( which I am )

      I suggest it's about what you are comfortable with as long as there is no strict policy your department mandates.
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      • #4
        Cross Draw debate

        I can recall a time when cross-draw holsters were fairly common. I had relocated to Florida at the time, (1972) and the Florida Highway Patrol, as well as the Sheriff's Dept I was on, carried cross-draw. The reason my agency used them was the fact that both the Sheriff and Chief Deputy were former FHP Troopers. In recent years, virtually every agency that I know of has gone to "strong side" wear. Additionally, the retention levels of the current holsters are far superior to those of 25-30 years ago. Guess the debate could go on forever, and I know that most, if not all firearms instructors have some pretty strong views on shooting issues in general.


        • #5
          IMHO whatever you feel comfortable with and can safely do is how/where you carry your duty weapon.

          As far as the crossdraw on the body armor, unless it hangs down to your butt you HAVE to use the cross draw in order to get the weapon out.
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          • #6
            Cross-draw and shoulder holsters are expressly forbidden by my agency's policy. It's not for retention reasons, but for where the muzzle of your weapon is pointed during the draw-stroke.

            It needs to be pointed either straight down, as it is in a holster, at a target, at the ground downrange (as in the Weaver Ready). And not in the direction of other cops, bystanders, etc.
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            • #7
              I see one practical problem - for those of you whose dept. may have done it back awhile ago, please jump in and tell me I'm wrong:

              When on the range, during a cross draw the gun briefly points at the guy next to you, right? Because the muzzle would swing around from facing behind you to facing in front of you - 180 degrees.
              If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

              ---Jack Handey


              • #8
                We solve that problem by having those who wear cross draws or shoulder holsters on the far end of the line (which end depend on whether they are rightie or leftie) so as to avoid the muzzle crossing over the guy next to them.


                • #9
                  You look like a goober with a cross draw on your duty belt.
                  I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy.


                  • #10
                    If it makes you feel better and you build your muscle memory back up to cross draw then I'd say go for it. But practice how you fight and fight how you practice, make darn sure your hand will go for that cross draw when it hits the fan.
                    "You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall... I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."


                    • #11
                      My opinion on cross draw holsters for duty are aligned with the old time firearms instructor's. They are not a good idea for the reasons he gave. The arguments in favor are also flawed IMHO. If you wear the holster in front of your hip, as you describe, the muzzle covers your body....never a good idea. Additionally, to say that you will blade your body and therefore elminate the weapon being in a position to be snatched assumes that you will be in that position when the need retain the weapon starts. The advantages you describe are outweighed by the disadvantages.


                      • #12
                        I like the cross-draw on the tazers
                        -Stay safe


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