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  • KalCop
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    My reply to the original question,i carry everywhere,better to have it and not need it then to not have it and need it.
    Murphys Law again

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  • KalCop
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    My last reply in this thread for Delta.(you dont want to go head to head with me in Military history,if so you can PM me or email me)Marines kicked the germans butt in ww1 in france,it was the armys turn .In ww2..the Marines were in the pacific theatre fighting the japs after pearl,not in europe.
    Belleau Wood-france ww1...germans said the marines were storm troops,because of there feirce fighting,which the germans nicknamed them 'devildogs'
    Guadalcanal....Tarawa,,battle for mariana islands,,,
    Iwo Jima-largest and bloodiest marine battle
    Okinawa..
    on to the korean war- Chosin resevoir
    Vietnam-khe san,and Hue city-house to house fighting
    I could go on and on but this im not,my original argument was against tropper who started the thread,and basicly said his training in the NYSP was superior to any other police academy,plus also stated his service in the AFSP was superior.
    So as for one never backing down,I defended other LE Academys and My branch of service.
    The above threads were jokes,not facts..if you cant differentiate between the 2 you shouldnt be in LE...
    every Military branch has there specialists,you have the Para's in the AF,Army has Rangers,SF guys and Delta Boys
    Navy has the Seals,
    And the president and USA have the Marines..
    Last edited by KalCop; 10-21-2005, 10:01 PM.

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  • Cerberusdog
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    Hey- does anyone remember a thread where off-duty carry was discussed around here...?

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  • edg103
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    Wow....bashing the military, ANY branch of the military. Now that's some patriotic shi*. Service to our country, no matter what branch, is still service to our country.

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  • squad51
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    Originally posted by KalCop
    Ok...One more and thats it I swear..It fits the topic perfectly

    Air Force SP Goes to Heaven

    St Peter is standing at Heaven's gate when a man walks up. "Welcome to heaven my son. What did you do with your life?"

    "I was a policeman," he responded.

    "What kind of policeman?" St Peter asked.

    "I was a vice officer. I kept dangerous narcotics out of the hands of kids."

    "Wonderful my son, welcome to heaven. Pass through the gates."

    A few moments later a second man walks up. "Welcome to heaven my son. What did you do with your life?"

    "I was a policeman," he responded.

    "What kind of policeman?" St Peter asked.

    "I was a traffic officer. I kept the roads and highways safe for travelers."

    "Well done. Pass through the gates into paradise."

    A few moments later a third man walks up. "Welcome to heaven my son. What did you do with your life?"

    "I was a policeman," he responded.

    "What kind of policeman?" St Peter asked.

    "I was an Air Force Security Policeman, sir."

    "Excellent my son... I've gotta take a pee, watch the gate, will ya?"
    BTW the point of that joke is the SPs are trustworthy enough to guard the gates of heaven....

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  • squad51
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    Yup Us Air Force Security Forces/SPs are just weak assed troops..thats why in ever single training exercise against SEALs, Marines and Rangers we hands down beat the ever living **** out of them... and you know what yeah AF basic is fairly weak but SF school when I went through was everything that Basic wasn't. It was hard it was physically demanding not to mention you where expected to learned it and retain it the first time everytime or you where gone. I am proud of the fact that I was a honor grad in my SF class.

    Your comments about AF personal maybe somewhat true but I see AF cops with missing limbs, TBIs and other horrendous injuries, I see several people from my former wing vollunteered for convoy duty becuase they where qualified truck drivers with little to no "real" combat/infantry training get awarded the purple heart for injuries received when their convoy took fire and they reacted saving the lives of the troops in their vehicle despite being seriously wounded. Your comments dishonor the scarfice those people have made. I am all for having pride in ones branch oif service but things can get carried to far. THE USAF is a support element of the military you could not do your jobs with out us, and vice versa but to say we ain't fighting is bs.

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  • Delta784
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    KalCop,

    I don't know what alternate reality you exist on, but when I was at Basic Training at Fort Benning, I;

    1) Got my head shaved. Shaved. As in stubble.

    2) Official wakeup was 0400, but the firewatch woke us up at 0330 so we could get a head start on policing the barracks, making our bunks, etc.

    3) We were lucky to get a single MRE for the entire day. We had water forced on us, but not food.

    4) There was no leave at all. Period.

    5) Drill Sergeants were addressed as "Drill Sergeant", not "Sir", as I understand Marine recruits are required to address their Drill Instructors. Why would you address an NCO as "Sir"?

    6) I have a modest amount of ribbons, but I earned all of them

    7) Camouflage uniform? What field/everyday uniform does the Marine Corps wear that *isn't* some sort of camouflage? I'd like to see it.

    8) Please give a single example of an Army solider making E-8 on his first enlistment. Of course, you can't.

    Question for my Marine Corps bretheren...what is the main purpose of the US Marine Corps? To conduct amphibious assault operations, no?

    Who conducted the largest amphibious assault in the history of armed conflict? Why, it was the United States Army! On June 6th, 1944. That's commonly known as "D-Day".

    Watch the first 30 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan", and then get back to me about how the Marines are somehow superior to the Army.
    Last edited by Delta784; 10-21-2005, 02:19 AM.

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  • pumpkin
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    24 x 7.

    If I am out to dinner with my husband, and run into some cranked up db that recognizes me, WE are going home. And it's really bad manners to OC in the restaurant and I really wouldn't want to upset the nice people who live here...

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  • hgunner
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    off duty carry

    As a retired detective off nypd now living in nh i carry everyday as i did since 1972(it like the commercial says never leave home without it) I carry a kimber pro carry locked and cocked in an inside the waist band Mitch Rosen custom holster with 1 spare mag.
    I also own the only NH licensed bail enforcement agency and make approx 150 rearrests per year and carry the same weapon again fully concealed while working-I spend at least 4 hours per week at the range keeping all skills current-if you carry practice

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  • KalCop
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    Ok...One more and thats it I swear..It fits the topic perfectly

    Air Force SP Goes to Heaven

    St Peter is standing at Heaven's gate when a man walks up. "Welcome to heaven my son. What did you do with your life?"

    "I was a policeman," he responded.

    "What kind of policeman?" St Peter asked.

    "I was a vice officer. I kept dangerous narcotics out of the hands of kids."

    "Wonderful my son, welcome to heaven. Pass through the gates."

    A few moments later a second man walks up. "Welcome to heaven my son. What did you do with your life?"

    "I was a policeman," he responded.

    "What kind of policeman?" St Peter asked.

    "I was a traffic officer. I kept the roads and highways safe for travelers."

    "Well done. Pass through the gates into paradise."

    A few moments later a third man walks up. "Welcome to heaven my son. What did you do with your life?"

    "I was a policeman," he responded.

    "What kind of policeman?" St Peter asked.

    "I was an Air Force Security Policeman, sir."

    "Excellent my son... I've gotta take a pee, watch the gate, will ya?"

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  • KalCop
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    Sorry,I couldnt resist one more !
    Four Branches of Service

    In an effort to ensure proper training and readiness among the military services, Congress has approved the following changes to basic principles of recruit training:

    HAIRCUTS:
    Marines - heads will be shaved.
    Army - flattops for all recruits.
    Navy - no haircut standard.
    Air Force - complete makeovers as seen on the Jenny Jones show.

    TRAINING HOURS:
    Marines - rise at 0500, train until 2000.
    Army - rise at 0600, train until 1900.
    Navy - rise at 0900, train until 1100, lunch til 1300, train till 1600.
    Air Force - rise at 1000, breakfast in bed, lunch at 1200, nap at 1400, training ceases at 1500.

    MEALS:
    Marines - Meals-Ready-to-Eat 3 times a day.
    Army - one hot meal, 2 MRE's.
    Navy - 3 hot meals.
    Air Force - catered meals prepared by the Galloping Gourmet, Julia Childs, and Wolfgang Puck. All you can eat.

    LEAVE and LIBERTY:
    Marines - none.
    Army - 4 hours a week.
    Navy - 2 days a week.
    Air Force - for every four hours of training, recruits will receive eight hours of leave and liberty.

    PROTOCOL:
    Marines - will address all officers as "Sir" and refer to the rank of all enlisted members when speaking to them (i.e. Sgt. Smith).
    Army - will address all officers as "Sir," unless they are friends, and will call all enlisted personnel Sarge.
    Navy - will address all officers as Skipper, and all enlisted personnel as Chief.
    Air Force - all Air Force personnel shall be on a first name basis with all other personnel.

    DECORATIONS/AWARDS:
    Marines - medals and badges are awarded for acts of gallantry and bravery only.
    Army - medals and badges are awarded for every bullet fired, hand grenade thrown, fitness test passed, and bed made.
    Navy - will have ship's engineers make medals for them as needed.
    Air Force - will be issued all medals upon entry, as they will most likely be awarded them at some point early in their careers.

    CAMOUFLAGE UNIFORMS:
    Marines - work uniform, to be worn only during training and in field situations.
    Army - will wear it anytime, anywhere.
    Navy - will not wear cammies, they do not camouflage you on a ship. Captains will make every effort to TRY to explain this to your sailors.
    Air Force - will defeat the purpose of camouflage by putting blue and grey service chevrons and nametags on them.

    CAREER FIELDS:
    Marines - all Marines shall be considered riflemen first and foremost.
    Army - doesn't matter, all career fields promote to E-8 in first enlistment.
    Navy - nobody knows. Navy is still trying figure out what all the SMC, BNC, BSN, and all the other ratings things are.
    Air Force - every recruit will be trained in a manner that will allow them to leave the service early to go on to higher paying civilian jobs.

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  • KalCop
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    Originally posted by Mac25
    Well I guess its time you got off your high horse. If I remember correctly, the Navy and Marines attend the Security Forces Academy for training on LE. I also remember that the Marines were not given permission to carry the firearms loaded and could not load them unless they have an officers approval. In the Air Force (not the military) we load are weapons every shift. Kinda makes you think.....But I guess BECUASE you were a Marine you are better than me and any other person that has served in Air Force. I am proud to have worked with all other the branches of the military in the states and in the desert. We all have our jobs and specialties. I just wanted to personally thank you for your wonderful comments towards the other branches of the MILITARY!

    Blah,blah,blah....marines are fighting men,not policemen.(what kind of special training you need about guarding a gate some where in north dakota or middle of nowhere)..
    we have our own "air force",if you havent noticed,plus the marine pilots are the tops up there with navy pilots...Anyone can land a plane on flat staionary ground,try it on an aircraft carrier rolling back and forth...
    I hve alot of respect for the AF Para Rescue guys,those guys are top notch in my book...Other then that,I would rather trust my butt out there with the marine fighter pilots then AF.thank you..
    as for me saying I was better then you,dont think I mentioned that,but since you brought it up,Yep I am better then you....

    U.S. AIR FORCE OATH OF ENLISTMENT

    I, Zoomie, swear to sign away four years of my useless life to the United States Air Force because I know I couldn't hack it in the Army and because the Marines frighten me. I swear to sit behind a desk and take credit for the work done by others more dedicated than me who take their job seriously. I also swear not to do any form of real exercise, but promise to defend our bike-riding test as a valid form of exercise.

    I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, even though I believe myself to be above that. I promise to walk around calling everyone by their first name because I know I'm not really in the military and I find it amusing to annoy the other services. I will have a better quality of life than all those around me and will at all times be sure to make them aware of that fact.

    After completion of my -- snicker -- "basic training," I will be a lean, mean, doughnut-eating, lazy-boy sitting, civilian-wearing-blue-clothes, Chairborne Ranger. I will believe that I am superior to all others, and will make an effort to clean the knife before stabbing the next person in the back with it. I will do no work unless someone is watching me (and it makes me look good), will annoy those around me, and will go home early everyday.

    I consent to never getting promoted -- EVER -- and understand that all those whom I made fun of yesterday probably will outrank me tomorrow.

    So help me God.

    Signature: ___________________ Date: _________________
    I see no need to comment any furthur on military branches,since it does have to do with the topic at large..
    Last edited by KalCop; 10-21-2005, 12:28 AM.

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  • SMPPD87
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    Originally posted by Josey Wales
    Trooper4985,



    What the hell is a "dog and pony show academy?" Would that be a traffic officer type thing?

    It seems like your fews years as a traffic cop have gone to you head!

    JW
    it's not that the nys trooper academy is that tough, it's that some of the other academies are too easy for reasons i won't post but i will answer in pm if someone is that curious.

    to answer the original post...i carry pretty much 24/7, i'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. i agree with everyone that said the best thing to do is be a good witness unless you or someone else is at risk of inury/death. i wouldn't carry to a sporting event because if i'm there to watch i'll probably have a few drinks.

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  • Mac25
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    Originally posted by KalCop
    oh by the way Air Force SP doesnt count...hell..thats not even the military in my book....
    Semper fi
    Well I guess its time you got off your high horse. If I remember correctly, the Navy and Marines attend the Security Forces Academy for training on LE. I also remember that the Marines were not given permission to carry the firearms loaded and could not load them unless they have an officers approval. In the Air Force (not the military) we load are weapons every shift. Kinda makes you think.....But I guess BECUASE you were a Marine you are better than me and any other person that has served in Air Force. I am proud to have worked with all other the branches of the military in the states and in the desert. We all have our jobs and specialties. I just wanted to personally thank you for your wonderful comments towards the other branches of the MILITARY!
    Last edited by Mac25; 10-19-2005, 10:59 AM.

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  • jdlong
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    Originally posted by Quopper
    I agree with being a good witness and all that, BUT I carry 24/7 when off-duty UNLESS I am drinking! Okay, so maybe that really means 18/5 not 24/7, but I digress!

    Everywhere I go, my cute little Kimber Ultra Carry II .45 goes with me! I don't give a rat's *** whose house it is, whose business it is, or what people think! It's concealed, and you won't know it's there unless I need it. As far as needing it goes, someone already said, it's the one million and ONE time, and I'm not gonna miss it!

    I was dumb enough to travel a few weeks ago without it, and I won't do that again, so I have to check baggage, who cares. I felt naked! Granted I spent most of my time with a cop but, I still felt naked!
    Amen. I wouldn't leave home without my G36 .45 either. As I stated before...the thought of running into one of my cranked up parolees on a Saturday night out to dinner with my wife is quite disturbing. Particularly when the dirtbag has had 10 years to think about the P.O. that hooked him on a VOP and sent him to prison!! God forbid I'll ever have to break leather with it...but it sure is nice to know I might make it home if I do. Being a good witness is always priority #1 if officer/public safety is at risk. An armed, off duty LEO with a cowboy-hero mentality is scary. However, if all hell breaks loose and my life is at stake...it's nice to know I have my six little friends (230g. JHP's) with me!

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