any VA Troopers on the air?

[ilkevinli]

28Blue you obviously just don't get. You need to read whats being posted. Don't lump things together.

Don't compare on duty, in uniform, in marked RMPS (more than one), not breaking any VTL, with off-duty car stops !!

And this is any different from the convoy situation because why?????? I believe they were warned and possibly admonished.

I know that they were on the way back from doing a much needed and honable duty. That, I don't think a single person here has or could dispute. But if the accusations were true, then maybe, just maybe, stupid or moronic would apply here. Then the VSP or deputies or whoever acted accordingly - based on your standards.

[ilkevinli]

If I were to encounter this situation (this would be very very rare Im sure), I would telll him he is a ***_ole and a disgrace and warn and admonish him. The end.

Then what you are saying is that you have no discretion when dealing with LEO's and traffic enforcement, if I have it right. Reckless, speeding 30 MPH over, wheelies in a school zone, etc. Ok. So you can't write the guy. Now what if he has a major - "I am the F#CKING PO-lice, I flashed you my badge while I was doing a wheelie, you have no right to stop me, now go F#CK yourself" - type of attitude?????? So he gets a free ride? If what you just said was true, then his disrespect for you and your department is always going to be trumped by the fact that he flashes tin.

Last thing, you let him go with a "have a nice day, just slow it down, brother," and he spins rocks on your crusier. The picture of you standing there with dust on your sun glasses would be priceless.

[1426]

I guess all they had to say on the phone was... they where in NO assisiting with the katrina incident on thier way home to to their families, and people would have had the positive mentality of .. "Ohh they went to help", instead of the negative mentality ppl already have on LE.

[28Blue21]

These are similar incidents. Cops, on or off duty have to follow the law. If they get called on it, they get called on it. It "sounds" as if some Va traffic laws (and possibly other laws) were being violated. Traffic stop ensued. No tickets/summons. Hurt feelings all around.

And this all goes back to proffesional courtesy. Hence, the lumping together. Possibly, you don't get it.

Again, I am not suggesting that tickets should have been issued. But maybe a traffic stop was appropiate. So, I guess I see both sides. Possible need for a stop. Then proffesional courtesy.

[28Blue21]

And BTW Kevin: "Don't compare on duty, in uniform, in marked RMPS (more than one), not breaking any VTL, with off-duty car stops !!"

not breaking any VTL - maybe you need to read some of the above. THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OF VTL being broken. THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE STOP. And probably 99 percent of all traffic stops EVERYWHERE!

[SHERIFF]

Let's all put our thinking caps on for a minute. Go back a year or two. Convoys of "police cars" were enroute to the Law Enforcement Memorial Day in DC traveling 80, 90 and 100 mph on Virginia roadways. They were stopped and warned by the Virginia State Police. I seem to recall that perhaps a ticket or two was actually issued.

Is speeding recklessly down the road any different than driving slower than the speed limit and blocking the left lane? Well, of course there is a difference, but are the Virginia troopers suppose to look the other way in either case after they receive complaints from citizens?

It's all over now, and none of it should have ever appeared on the Internet in the first place. It simply pits cops and emotions against one another.

[ilkevinli]

Really ?? I thought the reason for the car stop was because they received a complaint from a civilian ? Let me go re-read ...

Yep thats what it was.

Last I checked, a VTL had to be witnessed by a LEO. At least it is in NY.

If riding in the left lane is a VTL infraction in VA, I guess they did.

And BTW Kevin: "Don't compare on duty, in uniform, in marked RMPS (more than one), not breaking any VTL, with off-duty car stops !!"

not breaking any VTL - maybe you need to read some of the above. THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OF VTL being broken. THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE STOP. And probably 99 percent of all traffic stops EVERYWHERE!

[SHERIFF]

Really ?? I thought the reason for the car stop was because they received a complaint from a civilian ? Let me go re-read ...

Yep thats what it was.

Last I checked, a VTL had to be witnessed by a LEO. At least it is in NY.

We're on the same page I think. The way I read it, VSP received a complaint from a civilian, responded, found the complaint to be somewhat accurate, and made the traffic stop. It wasn't like the Virginia troopers were out looking for somebody to pick on. I'm very familiar with Augusta County, and it's very unusual to ever see a trooper there in the first place unless there's bad weather (ice and snow) on Afton Mountain.

[caliblm]

Ok I am from New Jersey and grew up there. I am now a cop in Virginia and have been quite a while. Things are slightly different down here than up there. Jar was correct if there is a complaint we must respond and take action. NYPD sorry for the the problem of moving over to the right instead of traveling on the left. Maybe you should of requested an escort. The VSP are assigned counties and usally dont travel the entire state unless some one request this. I see on alot of these post he said , she said staements. If you werent there you con not know what really happened. Cops get tickets because they are stupid or they say stuppid things. You dont respect a fellow officer and flash the badge to get out of a ticket then your a cop for the wrong reasons. Alot of cops from NJ and NYC flash their badges. Cop cars or not. You live in a fish bowl and every one can see you. Especially the public.You may not see them but they see you. We are not protected by any union here. This is a right to work state. They can fire you hear very quickley if you are not performing your job. Stop the bashing!!! Another post said they hate virginia. Well stay out. I know Jersey cops that used to arrest NYC and Philadelphia cops for carrying their off duty weapons prior to HR218. So Jersey boys and girls you are bad if not worse than VA. So stop the bashing. You were not there and dont knowthe story. Wells thats it for me I know you guys and girls will continue to blow this way out of proportion so keep it going.

PS NYC thanks for NO I still rmemeber what we went through a few years ago. god speed.

[cst.sb]

I guess all they had to say on the phone was... they where in NO assisiting with the katrina incident on thier way home to to their families, and people would have had the positive mentality of .. "Ohh they went to help", instead of the negative mentality ppl already have on LE.

Absolutely!

Secondly, I feel for the guys that are in fear of losing their jobs. That being said, every is numerous ways to handle a call. It can go on the bottom of the que. It was a motor vehicle complaint against the police.

If it can't be ignoredm could it be resonded too hours later? The attending officer(s) could have pulled over, or went back the office and called the complaint back and got more details. That would have sucked up some time and the convoy could have been out of their patrol area. It would have also offered a more person and professional (hugs and kisses feeling) to someone who was probably just in a bad mood or EDP and just wanted to vent by calling 911.

Who knows the dispatcher or complaint taker may have heated the person up instead of difusing the situation.

A quick call to the complainant is sometimes the fastest way to conclude a file. He or she might have cooled down once they were reminded that these were emergency response personel returning from helping the Katrina victims.

Maybe another way to have handled it would have been to take the call, do the patrol, and when no real offence that was dangerous to the public, give them a thumbs up and conclude the file, or give them an escort.

I know I would be pretty miserable working in a environment where I wasn't allow to use the almighty "police discretion" on the public or other police officers.

Lastly, I don't buy any of that preventing the trooper with lights and sirens from passing. That's just pure BS. Who would do that? I mean really, think about it. How would they know what that officer was responding too. He or she could have been going code to back up another officer. And these cops that have just gone above beyond the call of duty are going to mess with another cop going code? I call BS

[tony.o]

Well, at least NYC guys went home, most of you dislike the south so bad that you stay and retire here Probably not a good idea to send Ny cops to the south to police, in some of the rural areas here it wouldn't go over very well, since southerners know they are looked down on and are the 'big joke' to those people. I also get sick of that crap. Thats probably the real source for the citizen complaints, when you come to somebody elses house you should be on your best behavior and not show disrespect to the people that live there no matter what you think of them. I wasn't there, but I've been a cop long enough to know about the stupid s--- that some off duty cops (and firemen) do, especially in someone elses' workplace. If ya'll didn't have this to bitch about, it would be something else that doesn't matter. It must be this liberal mindset, that everybody wants a worthless apology for some wrong that has been done to them. We got cop killers that are not being executed, get mad about that. 135 posts about this BS topic, freakin crybabies.

[SammyCal1]

Then what you are saying is that you have no discretion when dealing with LEO's and traffic enforcement, if I have it right. Reckless, speeding 30 MPH over, wheelies in a school zone, etc. Ok. So you can't write the guy. Now what if he has a major - "I am the F#CKING PO-lice, I flashed you my badge while I was doing a wheelie, you have no right to stop me, now go F#CK yourself" - type of attitude?????? So he gets a free ride? If what you just said was true, then his disrespect for you and your department is always going to be trumped by the fact that he flashes tin.

Last thing, you let him go with a "have a nice day, just slow it down, brother," and he spins rocks on your crusier. The picture of you standing there with dust on your sun glasses would be priceless.

I still would not write a ticket. I would have an arguement, or maybe call his supervisor or chief, but I will not write a traffic ticket to a cop.


Sammy

[BrickCop]

Well, at least NYC guys went home, most of you dislike the south so bad that you stay and retire here Probably not a good idea to send Ny cops to the south to police, in some of the rural areas here it wouldn't go over very well, since southerners know they are looked down on and are the 'big joke' to those people. I also get sick of that crap. Thats probably the real source for the citizen complaints, when you come to somebody elses house you should be on your best behavior and not show disrespect to the people that live there no matter what you think of them. I wasn't there, but I've been a cop long enough to know about the stupid s--- that some off duty cops (and firemen) do, especially in someone elses' workplace. If ya'll didn't have this to bitch about, it would be something else that doesn't matter. It must be this liberal mindset, that everybody wants a worthless apology for some wrong that has been done to them. We got cop killers that are not being executed, get mad about that. 135 posts about this BS topic, freakin crybabies.

Ok you do realize that just you just condemned the "crybaby" cops by whining yourself about how the meanie Northern cops (according to you) feel about Southern PDs.

I don't see anyone here asking for an apology. We can still rail against cop killers, this is a public forum where we discuss everything including professional courtesy issues. If those VA cops acted like a-holes I want to know about it, if they acted appropriately and the NYPD guys were out of line then I'd like to hear it.

Oh and the comment about the "Liberal mindset" is quite frankly a bunch of bull****, you will not find a more conservative based group of cops up my way. I won't stoop to lumping Southern cops like you into a one size insult fits all category.

About the incident that started this thread-

IMO responding to a citizen complaint is perfectly reasonable. OTOH talking to the cops in the condescending manner (as reported by the NYPD cops) in response to the complaint just goes against what we believe the brotherhood is all about.

[28Blue21]

I still would not write a ticket. I would have an arguement, or maybe call his supervisor or chief, but I will not write a traffic ticket to a cop.


Sammy

Ok. That is not bad. He has a consequence to his actions. I can dig it. Maybe he loses a few days on an upaid vacation and or a ltter in his file. So this brotherhood deal is more at keep it in the family. Thing is, I bet, that a lot of others here might believe that you still were a rat. Not me, I find that a very acceptable course of action in some or even most situations. I still reserve the right to cite - and yet once again, I have not written a ticket on another cop.

[e-man]

I like toast

Me too, esp. if it got butter on it...