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  • #91
    I just hope both sides learned something from this.

    The sad part about all agencies that I see is that PC seems to be falling by the wayside. This is very unfortunate. We only have each other. Even with my job, I can see that the new recruits aren't being taught what professional courtsey is all about.

    I can only see things like this incident getting worse. I hope for all of our sakes that I am wrong.


    Originally posted by VAsteve20
    nypd didnt get ticked for anything... lets just forget about the whole incident... lets look at the big picture here, the nypd made it back to nyc safe and sound and with out any tickets, the vsp made the stop because they had to (according to their policy), and thats about it... could an escort have solved this entire incident? absolutly... but thats a "what if" factor... there was no escort... it happened, its done, who cares who is right or wrong, or what is right and wrong... our ideals are different.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by ilkevinli
      I just hope both sides learned something from this.

      The sad part about all agencies that I see is that PC seems to be falling by the wayside. This is very unfortunate. We only have each other. Even with my job, I can see that the new recruits aren't being taught what professional courtsey is all about.

      I can only see things like this incident getting worse. I hope for all of our sakes that I am wrong.
      i agree it is sad.... however, no one should be exempt from earning a citation...
      i mean we all got into the profession to uphold the law... and the newer folks that have gone through the academies are tought that "if you want to enforce the law, you need to abide by them as well..." here in VA because that is tought, it is expect that you dont violate any laws or statutes, and when you do, it is the citing officers descretion whether to write it or not...
      your badge isnt going to save you, and here in VA most of us are tought that... so most of us dont put our selves or other officers in these types of positions... make sense?
      society is changing brother, and law enforcement is changing as well... the sadest part is, the change in society is hurting the american way of life... the things that make this country so amazing are being flushed down the toilet by... well, we wont go there.
      i'm a constitutionalist, thats all i should have to say.
      Last edited by VAsteve20; 09-25-2005, 02:30 PM.

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      • #93
        No it doesn't make sense. I don't want to start another debate, but your post speaks volumes !


        Originally posted by VAsteve20
        i agree it is sad.... however, no one should be exempt from earning a citation...
        i mean we all got into the profession to uphold the law... and the newer folks that have gone through the academies are tought that "if you want to enforce the law, you need to abide by them as well..." here in VA because that is tought, it is expect that you dont violate any laws or statutes, and when you do, it is the citing officers descretion whether to write it or not...
        your badge isnt going to save you, and here in VA most of us are tought that... so most of us dont put our selves or other officers in these types of positions... make sense?
        society is changing brother, and law enforcement is changing as well... the sadest part is, the change in society is hurting the american way of life... the things that make this country so amazing are being flushed down the toilet by... well, we wont go there.
        i'm a constitutionalist, thats all i should have to say.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by ilkevinli
          No it doesn't make sense. I don't want to start another debate, but your post speaks volumes !
          why are these forums here? for discussions.
          lets discuss.

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          • #95
            OK.

            There is NO reason in the world to have to issue a summons to a fellow LEO wether on or off duty. PERIOD. POs are given the right to warn and admonish. Its there for a reason. In my career , I have warned and admonished MANY civilians. Not just LEO personel. I will NEVER write a LEO incuding ones from VSP no matter what was done. I just don't believe in that. And every other LEO should as well.

            Don't get me wrong. Im not saying that just because you are a LEO you have the right to break the VTL. Thats not what I am saying at all. However, LEO make mistakes. Just like civilians.

            I really hope some of you guys come to your senses.

            Originally posted by VAsteve20
            why are these forums here? for discussions.
            lets discuss.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by ilkevinli
              OK.

              There is NO reason in the world to have to issue a summons to a fellow LEO wether on or off duty. PERIOD. POs are given the right to warn and admonish. Its there for a reason. In my career , I have warned and admonished MANY civilians. Not just LEO personel. I will NEVER write a LEO incuding ones from VSP no matter what was done. I just don't believe in that. And every other LEO should as well.

              Don't get me wrong. Im not saying that just because you are a LEO you have the right to break the VTL. Thats not what I am saying at all. However, LEO make mistakes. Just like civilians.

              I really hope some of you guys come to your senses.
              ok well we come from two different parts of the country...
              we are tought that we, as law enforcement officials, are not exempt from laws or statutes... if i were going 90 in a 65, i would expect a ticket... i personally wouldnt do 90 mph in a 65 mph zone... there is no mistake about going 25 over the posted limit... for example, an officer in a neighboring department crashed and burned on his crotch rocket while riding a wheelie on the interstate...
              he got some road rash, a busted bike, and few tickets... accident investigations calculated his speeds to be in excess of 90mph. they cited him for wreckless, and some other good stuff... are you saying he shouldnt have gotten a ticket? his own agency wrote him for it... another motorcycle envolved incident took place in the same city, officer went through a redlight on his pov(honda shadow) and just happened to mow over a person walking his bicycle across the street killing the bicyclist... should he not be charged with invol man slaughter? he was... he was also cited for whatever violations as well... that incident was in fact a mistake, but he paid for it.

              and last but not least... the sheriff of a neighboring city was dui... a police officer pulled the sheriff over because he noticed the vehicle all over the roadway... little did the officer know, it was the cities sheriff!!! well took the sheriff into custody and waited for a supervisor to arrive on scene... the sheriff then called the chief of police all ****ed off and what not... the entire stop was recorded on the patrol vehicles dash cam and incar cam... local news station got ahold of it and we can all image how bad it looked for the sheriff... i believe he was arrested, but im not 100% positive... for those that live in south eastern VA know all about this incident...

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              • #97
                Don't bring up LEO commiting crimes with VTL traffic infractions. Those are 2 different things and not what we are talking about.



                Originally posted by VAsteve20
                ok well we come from two different parts of the country...
                we are tought that we, as law enforcement officials, are not exempt from laws or statutes... if i were going 90 in a 65, i would expect a ticket... i personally wouldnt do 90 mph in a 65 mph zone... there is no mistake about going 25 over the posted limit... for example, an officer in a neighboring department crashed and burned on his crotch rocket while riding a wheelie on the interstate...
                he got some road rash, a busted bike, and few tickets... accident investigations calculated his speeds to be in excess of 90mph. they cited him for wreckless, and some other good stuff... are you saying he shouldnt have gotten a ticket? his own agency wrote him for it... another motorcycle envolved incident took place in the same city, officer went through a redlight on his pov(honda shadow) and just happened to mow over a person walking his bicycle across the street killing the bicyclist... should he not be charged with invol man slaughter? he was... he was also cited for whatever violations as well... that incident was in fact a mistake, but he paid for it.

                and last but not least... the sheriff of a neighboring city was dui... a police officer pulled the sheriff over because he noticed the vehicle all over the roadway... little did the officer know, it was the cities sheriff!!! well took the sheriff into custody and waited for a supervisor to arrive on scene... the sheriff then called the chief of police all ****ed off and what not... the entire stop was recorded on the patrol vehicles dash cam and incar cam... local news station got ahold of it and we can all image how bad it looked for the sheriff... i believe he was arrested, but im not 100% positive... for those that live in south eastern VA know all about this incident...

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by ilkevinli
                  Don't bring up LEO commiting crimes with VTL traffic infractions. Those are 2 different things and not what we are talking about.
                  ridding a wheelie is a traffic infraction, dui starts as a traffic infraction, and running a redlight is a traffic infraction... speeding is a traffic infraction...
                  if the traffic offense was never an issue, these officers and a sheriff wouldnt have been in any trouble... i mean come on bro, a wheelie on the interstate at 90mph!?!?! thats nuts... should a LEO be allowed to do that? the fact that he was a police officer must have slipped his mind aye?

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                  • #99
                    Yes it is stupid and moronic. He is not to bright. Should he have been warned and admonished. Yes. I think so.


                    Originally posted by VAsteve20
                    ridding a wheelie is a traffic infraction, dui starts as a traffic infraction, and running a redlight is a traffic infraction... speeding is a traffic infraction...
                    if the traffic offense was never an issue, these officers and a sheriff wouldnt have been in any trouble... i mean come on bro, a wheelie on the interstate at 90mph!?!?! thats nuts... should a LEO be allowed to do that? the fact that he was a police officer must have slipped his mind aye?

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                    • Originally posted by cleetus0219
                      The big deal is you and your boys' attitudes towards other cops. You can guarantee if you were getting your *** handed to you on the side of the road, the convoy would've stopped to help you, but you still find it "offensive" that they were breaking a stupid motor vehicle law.

                      Get a clue, and don't take motor vehicle laws too seriously. Eventually you guys might get something REALLY bad like a shoplifter.
                      Our way of thinking and acting in the NY/NJ area is much different than in other states. We do have *** holes around here, but why are almost all of the stories of cops ticketing cops from the south and south western states. I am nervous every time I cross the Mason-Dixon line. There is no motor vehicle offense that a cop could commit that would get me to write a ticket.

                      Maybe the NYPD was out of line and maybe the VASP and deputies could have handled things differently. It was a sh_t situation right from the beginning.

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                      • I like toast
                        It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses....Hit it!

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                        • I am a police officer in Ohio. I read this story today in roll call to all of my shift. They all laughed thinking I was joking but when I told them I wasn't they couldn't belieave it. Thank you NYPD you have your support. I would like to think Ohio wouldn't of have done this. BROTHERHOOD!!!!!!!!!!
                          Last edited by buckeyenut; 09-26-2005, 05:29 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by ilkevinli
                            OK.

                            There is NO reason in the world to have to issue a summons to a fellow LEO wether on or off duty. PERIOD. POs are given the right to warn and admonish. Its there for a reason. In my career , I have warned and admonished MANY civilians. Not just LEO personel. I will NEVER write a LEO incuding ones from VSP no matter what was done. I just don't believe in that. And every other LEO should as well.

                            Don't get me wrong. Im not saying that just because you are a LEO you have the right to break the VTL. Thats not what I am saying at all. However, LEO make mistakes. Just like civilians.

                            I really hope some of you guys come to your senses.
                            Then what you are saying is that you have no discretion when dealing with LEO's and traffic enforcement, if I have it right. Reckless, speeding 30 MPH over, wheelies in a school zone, etc. Ok. So you can't write the guy. Now what if he has a major - "I am the F#CKING PO-lice, I flashed you my badge while I was doing a wheelie, you have no right to stop me, now go F#CK yourself" - type of attitude?????? So he gets a free ride? If what you just said was true, then his disrespect for you and your department is always going to be trumped by the fact that he flashes tin.

                            Last thing, you let him go with a "have a nice day, just slow it down, brother," and he spins rocks on your crusier. The picture of you standing there with dust on your sun glasses would be priceless.

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                            • I agree with Sammy, by the way.

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                              • Originally posted by ilkevinli
                                Yes it is stupid and moronic. He is not to bright. Should he have been warned and admonished. Yes. I think so.
                                And this is any different from the convoy situation because why?????? I believe they were warned and possibly admonished.

                                I know that they were on the way back from doing a much needed and honable duty. That, I don't think a single person here has or could dispute. But if the accusations were true, then maybe, just maybe, stupid or moronic would apply here. Then the VSP or deputies or whoever acted accordingly - based on your standards.

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