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  • #61
    As unbieleveable as them pulling over a marked police convoy??? Wish I still had the ticket as it was 5 years ago. Happened in Greensboro County by South Hill, VA on the highway that goes from South Hill/I-85 out to Virgina Beach.

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    • #62
      Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I was NOT a police officer at the time for both incidents. Just trying to show that I was written up for a bogus charge in one situation and not written up in another which would have been justified. One NYPD, the other VSP. Sometimes you get you chain yanked and sometimes you get off depending on the individual officers involved. Again, sorry that I didn't make it clear.

      As far as the comment about not asking for a police escort: if you read back a bit further, complaints were there if you read between the lines that there should have been an escort because other states gave escorts.

      And let me be VERY VERY VERY clear, I respect those officers in the NYPD or any other department for that matter. We all work jobs that are under appreciated and over worked. That is including VSP. I read somewhere in here that there was one on duty for that section of 81 (all of 81 if I remember correctly). I bet he didn't really enjoy doing what it was his job to do.

      More and more this job has become one of PR and liability. I know that here in GA it is. All it takes is one person who wants to **** in your corn flakes and you know what????? They can ruin a persons career. We have someone in town that has gotten a complaint about a traffic citation (yes a citation) in the news. All the way to the City council. One single citizen with one complaint over one ticket. The officer involved is going to be dogged by this for a while. Not a beating. Not a shooting. Not a civil rights violation. A ticket. So if the VSP trooper felt pushed into a corner, I don't blame him. No tickets were issued in this case.

      As far as any other specific incidents. Just like this one, I wasn't there. But I have run across officers in my department who I know would throw a sh%tfit if they got stopped. And if they got written up, well so be it.

      Does anyone remember the footage of the black officer (a major I believe) who was stopped by a trooper (southern I believe) and the major was a total [email protected]? I think that he got sprayed or tazed on the side of the road in the end. Eventually he identified that he was a cop, but only way after he crossed the line and assaulted some troopers. Should he have been given a freebie because of the brotherhood? At some point in our dealings with each other and civilians we will be called to the carpet. For different officers and different departments that level is different.

      And again, let me say that I have respect for NYPD. I was in NY on Sept 11, 2001. At the trade center. And saw both NYPD and Port Authority Police doing great things. I just can see the other side of this situation.

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      • #63
        If your weren't a PO I can see why you received a summons. I don't see what your point is there.

        Yes there should have been a escort, but thats not what the issue at hand is.

        Please don't compare a PO (Major in rank) being a complete MORON with the NYPD caravan being stopped for being in the left lane with the lead car having its lights on. No one is saying you should let someone do whatever they want just because that person is a LEO. Thats not the point here.


        Originally posted by 28Blue21
        Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I was NOT a police officer at the time for both incidents. Just trying to show that I was written up for a bogus charge in one situation and not written up in another which would have been justified. One NYPD, the other VSP. Sometimes you get you chain yanked and sometimes you get off depending on the individual officers involved. Again, sorry that I didn't make it clear.

        As far as the comment about not asking for a police escort: if you read back a bit further, complaints were there if you read between the lines that there should have been an escort because other states gave escorts.

        And let me be VERY VERY VERY clear, I respect those officers in the NYPD or any other department for that matter. We all work jobs that are under appreciated and over worked. That is including VSP. I read somewhere in here that there was one on duty for that section of 81 (all of 81 if I remember correctly). I bet he didn't really enjoy doing what it was his job to do.

        More and more this job has become one of PR and liability. I know that here in GA it is. All it takes is one person who wants to **** in your corn flakes and you know what????? They can ruin a persons career. We have someone in town that has gotten a complaint about a traffic citation (yes a citation) in the news. All the way to the City council. One single citizen with one complaint over one ticket. The officer involved is going to be dogged by this for a while. Not a beating. Not a shooting. Not a civil rights violation. A ticket. So if the VSP trooper felt pushed into a corner, I don't blame him. No tickets were issued in this case.

        As far as any other specific incidents. Just like this one, I wasn't there. But I have run across officers in my department who I know would throw a sh%tfit if they got stopped. And if they got written up, well so be it.

        Does anyone remember the footage of the black officer (a major I believe) who was stopped by a trooper (southern I believe) and the major was a total [email protected]? I think that he got sprayed or tazed on the side of the road in the end. Eventually he identified that he was a cop, but only way after he crossed the line and assaulted some troopers. Should he have been given a freebie because of the brotherhood? At some point in our dealings with each other and civilians we will be called to the carpet. For different officers and different departments that level is different.

        And again, let me say that I have respect for NYPD. I was in NY on Sept 11, 2001. At the trade center. And saw both NYPD and Port Authority Police doing great things. I just can see the other side of this situation.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ilkevinli
          No one is saying you should let someone do whatever they want just because that person is a LEO. Thats not the point here.
          former officer here, so i'll keep it short,,

          then what is the point????? they were complained on for their driving, and people are saying, "they are the police, the trprs should not have even went out there,, or basically saying that because they are the police, tell the complaintant to go **** up a rope,

          am i wrong???

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          • #65
            Yes you are wrong. Show me where I said to tell the caller to "go **** up a rope" ? Go re-read the repsonse that COULD have been given to the caller.

            What was the crime that was commited by the NYPD ? Driving in the left lane ? Driving to slow ? I think you need to go re-read this thread. Or better yet, read it for the 1st time.


            Originally posted by gotthblues
            former officer here, so i'll keep it short,,

            then what is the point????? they were complained on for their driving, and people are saying, "they are the police, the trprs should not have even went out there,, or basically saying that because they are the police, tell the complaintant to go **** up a rope,

            am i wrong???

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            • #66
              Originally posted by ilkevinli
              Yes you are wrong. Show me where I said to tell the caller to "go **** up a rope" ? Go re-read the repsonse that COULD have been given to the caller.

              What was the crime that was commited by the NYPD ? Driving in the left lane ? Driving to slow ? I think you need to go re-read this thread. Or better yet, read it for the 1st time.
              already have thank you, i didnt say you said it, but others have, that was the whole point, they are officers, leave them alone.

              what is the point of this then?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by chaser266
                That being said, I think that the citizen who gets upset enough about it to call the police needs to get a life.
                there's one.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by WTPD3534
                  Yes it's absolutely true. I know personally from 2 members of my dept who received tickets from VSP while in marked units travelling on I-95 to South Carolina for SWAT Training. That would be why I was not shocked when I heard about this incident.

                  That being said, however, IF the story from jarobins is true then I must agree that some action had to be taken. The one thing that I can't stand the most is when vehicles block traffic by travelling slow in the left lane. There was no need for this and the convoy could have simply travelled in the right lane with their lights on and allow other traffic to pass on the left.
                  I heard the same thing happened to Evesham Officers in SWAT training - marked car and all....I think it was VA also.

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                  • #69
                    [QUOTE=ilkevinli] Who cares what the "caller" demanded. You are the police. Not the caller.
                    theres two

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by cst.sb
                      Don't your dispatchers weed out the dumb*** complaints?

                      The dispatcher could have handled that as "broadcast only" type file and someone could have stepped up to the plate and helped out.
                      pretty much #3, should i continue.

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                      • #71
                        ilkevinli: "If your weren't a PO I can see why you received a summons. I don't see what your point is there."

                        A couple things. First off, for me to get a summons at Shea while tailgating was like getting busted for drunk in public at Mardi Gras. I was floored when I got it and even the cop thought that it was funny. I said "this is a little ironic" looking at all the other people drinking right there beside us with beers in their hands. He looked around and said yeah, with a smile on his face. I am not saying that I didn't break a law. I did not throw a hissy. I didn't get loud. I was just dumbstuck and all he could do was laugh at me. This compared to the VSP trooper whom I was expecting a ticket from that he never gave. My point is that some cops can be dicks, EVEN NYPD, and some cut you some slack, EVEN VSP. Those are experiences that I had. Not that I heard of or guessed about.

                        Secondly, I just don't like the attitude that because I am the POPO that I automatically get off the hook. I believe in professional courtesy and give it every time (so far). But if someone gets ****ed off at me (or the VSP) just because I am doing my job, then that makes me a little less willing to give it just because of the brotherhood.

                        See, I think that PC cuts both ways. An off duty cop (or one returning from a detail) should be give PC for reasonable violations. BUT JUST THE SAME CONSIDERATION should be given to the officer on duty who maybe just doing their job. Let him do his job especially if he doesn't write citations.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by ilkevinli
                          What was the crime that was commited by the NYPD ? Driving in the left lane ?
                          yes
                          all convoys are to maintain organization in the right hand lane... merging traffic comming onto the interstate will merge after the convoy passes...
                          is that to tough for you to understand???
                          also about your way of dealing with the caller that claimed the nypd vehicle almost struck her when she tried to pass the convoy on the right while it ws traveling under the speed limit...
                          your way of dealing with it contradicts the oath taken by officers in the commonweath, especially the VSP... there sole oblegation is to serve and protect the citizens that reside in or pass through the commonwealth...
                          if they are calling for your assistance, then you are obligated to go to there aid no matter what the cricumstances... what part of that dont you understand? the VSP police themselves big time... if dispatch told the caller "hey, they will be gone shortly, sorry they are cutting you off, sorry they wont let you pass, but just suck it up for the 300miles... " that dispatcher would have lost their job... and if the troopers didnt make the stop, they to would have been subject to an IA investigation...
                          what makes the nypd any better than a citizen? they obviously dont know how to drive like responisble officers, and find it perfectly fine to urinate will in public view.

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                          • #73
                            People call us for non-issues all the time. We all know there are plenty of ways to "blow them off" when it is deserved without telling them to "**** off". I'm not talking about this incident specifically, I wasn't there. But IMO the caller needed to STFU and get over it.

                            But anyways, the real reason I posted here is to ask a question. It's just a question, not a critique, so don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm just wondering why the NYPD had to maintain a convoy to begin with? They were on their way home from what I understand, so i'm assuming their mission was over. Why tie up units from various agencies for escorts, and back up traffic, just so there aren't any gaps? Couldn't they just meet back in NY and call it good? It's EXTREMELY cool that they went down to help out, i'm just wondering why it's so important to stay together in a convoy on the way home. Right now I work for a small agency, so our convoy would consist of a short-bus, so maybe I just don't get it...
                            Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.

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                            • #74
                              Its this attitude that I can see why other LEO have been issued summons from the VSP. There is obviously no talking to some of you guys. Its a sorry shame.

                              You seem to have no common sense. Oh well.


                              Originally posted by VAsteve20
                              yes
                              all convoys are to maintain organization in the right hand lane... merging traffic comming onto the interstate will merge after the convoy passes...
                              is that to tough for you to understand???
                              also about your way of dealing with the caller that claimed the nypd vehicle almost struck her when she tried to pass the convoy on the right while it ws traveling under the speed limit...
                              your way of dealing with it contradicts the oath taken by officers in the commonweath, especially the VSP... there sole oblegation is to serve and protect the citizens that reside in or pass through the commonwealth...
                              if they are calling for your assistance, then you are obligated to go to there aid no matter what the cricumstances... what part of that dont you understand? the VSP police themselves big time... if dispatch told the caller "hey, they will be gone shortly, sorry they are cutting you off, sorry they wont let you pass, but just suck it up for the 300miles... " that dispatcher would have lost their job... and if the troopers didnt make the stop, they to would have been subject to an IA investigation...
                              what makes the nypd any better than a citizen? they obviously dont know how to drive like responisble officers, and find it perfectly fine to urinate will in public view.

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                              • #75
                                Well the POs doing those details have to write summons for drinking. They have their "numbers" to get. I don't agree with it but hey, thats part of the job. You just happen to be one of the "numbers". Futher more, just because your a PO doesn't mean you will automatically "get off the hook". If your respectful, you will be shown courtesy. Well maybe not in VA.



                                Originally posted by 28Blue21
                                ilkevinli: "If your weren't a PO I can see why you received a summons. I don't see what your point is there."

                                A couple things. First off, for me to get a summons at Shea while tailgating was like getting busted for drunk in public at Mardi Gras. I was floored when I got it and even the cop thought that it was funny. I said "this is a little ironic" looking at all the other people drinking right there beside us with beers in their hands. He looked around and said yeah, with a smile on his face. I am not saying that I didn't break a law. I did not throw a hissy. I didn't get loud. I was just dumbstuck and all he could do was laugh at me. This compared to the VSP trooper whom I was expecting a ticket from that he never gave. My point is that some cops can be dicks, EVEN NYPD, and some cut you some slack, EVEN VSP. Those are experiences that I had. Not that I heard of or guessed about.

                                Secondly, I just don't like the attitude that because I am the POPO that I automatically get off the hook. I believe in professional courtesy and give it every time (so far). But if someone gets ****ed off at me (or the VSP) just because I am doing my job, then that makes me a little less willing to give it just because of the brotherhood.

                                See, I think that PC cuts both ways. An off duty cop (or one returning from a detail) should be give PC for reasonable violations. BUT JUST THE SAME CONSIDERATION should be given to the officer on duty who maybe just doing their job. Let him do his job especially if he doesn't write citations.

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