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  • #46
    Originally posted by Z28CBR
    I hear that not only in this incident but other times VSP summons other LEOs. Is this true? when they're in marked patrol cars? I can't seem to believe this. Officers going to Memorial week in DC in marked patrol cars getting summonses?
    Yes it's absolutely true. I know personally from 2 members of my dept who received tickets from VSP while in marked units travelling on I-95 to South Carolina for SWAT Training. That would be why I was not shocked when I heard about this incident.

    That being said, however, IF the story from jarobins is true then I must agree that some action had to be taken. The one thing that I can't stand the most is when vehicles block traffic by travelling slow in the left lane. There was no need for this and the convoy could have simply travelled in the right lane with their lights on and allow other traffic to pass on the left.

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    • #47
      I believe that the only reason they stayed in the left lane is because people entering the Expwy enter into the right lane and were sometimes splitting up the convoy.


      Originally posted by WTPD3534
      Yes it's absolutely true. I know personally from 2 members of my dept who received tickets from VSP while in marked units travelling on I-95 to South Carolina for SWAT Training. That would be why I was not shocked when I heard about this incident.

      That being said, however, IF the story from jarobins is true then I must agree that some action had to be taken. The one thing that I can't stand the most is when vehicles block traffic by travelling slow in the left lane. There was no need for this and the convoy could have simply travelled in the right lane with their lights on and allow other traffic to pass on the left.

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      • #48
        Ticket to Jersey cops in uniform

        Was a disgruntled motorist the reason the two officers from your department were issued summonses from the Virginia State Troopers? Was their marked car somehow travelling in three traffic lanes simultaneously? Think about that, seriously. I think we all know the answer to that. There was no incident in any other state, in regards to this particular convoy. Every state provided an escort without incident. Virginia didn't have the staff to patrol the interstate, yet more than one car on staff to stop the convoy. Which is it? There were no troopers, or there were only troopers to pull over a marked convoy? The story keeps changing here. The NYPD caravan was in the left lane with the lead car having its lights on. We can all argue til were blue in the face what lane Virginia would have liked the caravan in, it was in the left lane. If the NYPD was travelling in three lanes, why is this a new story that keeps evolving? I don't care any more. I want to know why the Virginia State Trooper gave two uniformed members of your department tickets? Were your two officers somehow disrespectful to the state of Virginia, by being on Virginia soil too? The moron that gave your uniformed officers a ticket was disrespectful to the uniform and to all law enforcement officers everywhere. He hopefully had "common sense" that supercedes anyone's definition of professional courtesy, "respect", or any other term we can debate. There is no greater disgrace than to issue uniformed police officers in a marked police car a summons on their way to pay respects to fallen comrades in Washington DC and that HAS occurred in Virginia.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ilkevinli
          I believe that the only reason they stayed in the left lane is because people entering the Expwy enter into the right lane and were sometimes splitting up the convoy.
          That's not a bad point. I may have let my hatred for left lane hogs clog my judgement here. Thinking about it more though I don't think I would have been able to pull over an NYPD convoy, I would have felt like a total ***. I guess the bottom line is we don't know what was going on since we weren't there. Things do seem rather stacked up against VSP given their history, which some of us know about personally.

          I find it funny that the situation with my Dept was just about exactly the same. About 3-4 cars travelling in a convoy that were pulled over for speeding and then actually were issued tickets for it. From reports I heard from the guys who got the tickets they were going about 75-80, which I don't find to be unreasonable at all on an interstate. Our PBA president looked up the Trooper's info and tried to raise an issue over it but I don't think it got real far. Hopefully some right-minded troopers gave him some hell but we'll never know.

          I'm sure there are plenty of good Troopers on VSP, but for some reason the horror stories still keep coming and coming.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by GrayW4442

            If the convoy was so dangerous and citizens were complaining why is it that it only happened in VA.
            Because they had escorts in every other state they passed through. They've said that several times now.

            Nobody on the internet is gonna know the exact circumstances unless they were there and I'd venture to say that the whole truth won't come out from them either on a keyboard.

            Sounds like some officers got their cheerios ****ed in and can't afford the kleenex to wipe away the tears. Get over it already.

            Blocking three lanes of traffic, ****ing on the side of the road, speeding/impeading the flow of traffic? I'd be ****ed too if that stuff really happened. If you can't maintain a convoy without allowing vehicles to pass, you need to get an 18 year old private from the army to show you how it's done.
            "Come to Me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

            Jesus
            Matthew 11:28

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            • #51
              As a motocycle officer providing escorts on hundreds of details, from 5 car funerals to 2,000+ motorcycle rides through multiple states, I can say first hand that it is Very, Very hard to keep a convoy that size together. Staying out of the right (on/off) lane is a must and once vehicles start to pass they will definately, eventually have to cut in between the convoy to exit or for any number of other reasons. Once that happens seperations and large gaps are a near certainty...P.S. Did anyone ever call VSP and ask for an escort??? Just curious...

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              • #52
                Escort

                I do not believe the NYPD requested an escort. All other states provided an escort without request. In the future the NYPD should request an escort in the state of Virginia. The state of Virginia apparently knew about this motorcade BEFORE it entered Virginia according to the official response. Then the Virginia State trooper can hopefully determine the magic speed to proceed at and magically make irate motorists disappear, and find a three lane highway where motorists can ENTER the right lane and not break up an official caravan. If he deviates from perfection another Trooper can cite him for his inability to foresee the future and have Divine powers to read other people's minds. The caravan was in the left lane for the reasons given, that vehicles enter and exit the roadway in the right lane. Members of the Virginia State Police summons marked police caravan operators from NJ if they are going too fast through the state and then complain that the NYPD caravan was not going fast enough through the state of Virginia, and should be grateful they were not summonsed. How many times has the Presidential motorcade been stopped and the Secret service agent nbeen issued a summons for driving too slow in Virginia due to motorist complaint. I'll have to try that sometime. Those Presidential motorcades can be long and slow. Let the driver explain why I should be inconvenienced.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by jarobins
                  I've tried to be professional about it, but asshats like you are probably why LEO's get tickets in VA.
                  I got tickets in VA well befoe I was a LEO. One time was while in military convoy. I still say VA sucks and this is one reason why.
                  Last edited by SO535; 09-23-2005, 04:43 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by SO535
                    I got tickets in VA well befoe I was a LEO. One time was while in military convoy. I still say VA sucks and this is one reason why.
                    Maybe it was you that was the problem and not Virginia. With the unprofessional and immature comment that you posted on here generalizing all VA LEO's it's not hard for me to imagine why you got a ticket.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by jarobins
                      Maybe it was you that was the problem and not Virginia. With the unprofessional and immature comment that you posted on here generalizing all VA LEO's it's not hard for me to imagine why you got a ticket.
                      So you admit it is not hard for you to imagine a VA LEO pulling over a military vehicle? A Humvee with a 50. cal mounted on top no less? Said vehicle traveling 5 MPH over the limit (under orders from convoy commander) to catch up with the rest of the convoy? No wonder NYPD was stopped.

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                      • #56
                        I got a ticket for a traffic infraction from the NYPD before being a member of the NYPD. It was deserved, so be it. I also think there are uniformed police officers that lack common sense and off duty officers that lack respect. Thankfully, they represent a small, albeit vocal, minority within law enforcement. It is unfortunate there isn't a national law enforcement association all law enforcement personnel could join at a nominal fee that could smooth out inhouse and interagency squabbles, to make life a little easier for the vast majority of LEOs who just try their best to do an honest days work with as few hassles possible and make it home alive, unscathed and in one piece at the end of the day.

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                        • #57
                          This is a situation of who was more disrespected first as far as I see it.

                          I don't work for either state but I have been through both and been stopped by both. I was issued a citation for drinking in public at a NY Mets game ..... tail-gating in the parking lot. What the heck?!?!? Everyone around was drinking, but I had a can that was wrapped up in a brown paper bag. Didn't understand that and the NYPD cop wrote me up.

                          Also had an accident on the highway. VA trooper helped me out and wrote a report but no ticket (one car accident but still my fault).

                          2 examples that had real cosequences but I won't over generalize either one. There are going to be dicks in either group. That is just human nature. If the convoy was blocking traffic or speeding or too slow or whatever, they got what was coming. But none got TICKETS. I see professional courtesy being given. If they weren't and it was a civilian drama queen making up stuff, then it falls on her. Seems to me that the VSP trooper(s) were just doing his/their job.

                          As far as the "we didn't have to ask for escorts anywhere else," who cares! Whhhhhaaaaaaaa. So, someone is hurt because they felt that an escort should have been provided even though none was requested? Get over it. I would expect that type of thinking from a 15 year old girl, but not a major department.

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                          • #58
                            Ticket at Shea

                            Are you telling me you identified yourself as an off duty police officer from Georgia and were issued a summons for an open container? That sounds highly unusual. What year did this occur? I'd like to know the officer's name and command to verify the incident.

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                            • #59
                              What amazes me is how many of you just don't get it. No one really gives a rats *** that there was not an escort. It was merley pointed out the difference of the way other depts treated fellow LEO. Thats the only reason it was brought up.

                              Also if you identified yourself as a PO WITH id and was still given a summons, I apoligize on behalf of the NYPD for the moron that give you the summons.


                              Originally posted by 28Blue21
                              This is a situation of who was more disrespected first as far as I see it.

                              I don't work for either state but I have been through both and been stopped by both. I was issued a citation for drinking in public at a NY Mets game ..... tail-gating in the parking lot. What the heck?!?!? Everyone around was drinking, but I had a can that was wrapped up in a brown paper bag. Didn't understand that and the NYPD cop wrote me up.

                              Also had an accident on the highway. VA trooper helped me out and wrote a report but no ticket (one car accident but still my fault).

                              2 examples that had real cosequences but I won't over generalize either one. There are going to be dicks in either group. That is just human nature. If the convoy was blocking traffic or speeding or too slow or whatever, they got what was coming. But none got TICKETS. I see professional courtesy being given. If they weren't and it was a civilian drama queen making up stuff, then it falls on her. Seems to me that the VSP trooper(s) were just doing his/their job.

                              As far as the "we didn't have to ask for escorts anywhere else," who cares! Whhhhhaaaaaaaa. So, someone is hurt because they felt that an escort should have been provided even though none was requested? Get over it. I would expect that type of thinking from a 15 year old girl, but not a major department.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by SO535
                                So you admit it is not hard for you to imagine a VA LEO pulling over a military vehicle? A Humvee with a 50. cal mounted on top no less? Said vehicle traveling 5 MPH over the limit (under orders from convoy commander) to catch up with the rest of the convoy? No wonder NYPD was stopped.
                                I actually find unbelievable. PM the information about the ticket and I'll believe it.

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