NEW Welcome Ad

Collapse

Leader

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

any VA Troopers on the air?

Collapse

300x250 Mobile

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by ilkevinli
    I can't speak for anyone else but myself. I wasn't looking for an explanation. I was merley trying to get an understanding of why it was done and is still being done. Thats all. Thats why this forum is here.
    To help answer the question I'll put my two cents in. Fortunately (or unfortunately) in other parts of the US, police officers are held to a much higher standard of conduct than in others. To put it in perspective we have a lot of "big city" officers come to the area for vacation, etc. What they don't under stand is that the civilian population up here takes a very dim view of cops using thier position to get things. A couple of examples would be demanding to get into clubs for free by flashing badges (happens all the time), wanting free things by flashing badges (happens all the time), wanting convenience stores to sell them alcohol after hours by flashing badge (happens all the time), it goes on and on. I don't work in a resort town any more, but we got these calls all the time because these officers would try these things then get made and get into arguments when they didn't work. Then that casts a bad image on us that work in the area because we are lumped together as one.

    Cops up here just ask that you be courteous to us and allow us to do our jobs. I don't know of any officers I work with or have worked with that ticket cops, but I can tell you it gets very tempting when you light up a car and get four arms holding badges out a window instead of the vehicle stopping. Then when they finally stop, giving us a rash of s*&t, just for stopping them. Hello, if you'd let us verify your status and act decent, things would go great for all involved! These aren't isolated incidents, they happen quite frequently (and yes I'm sure I can did through our patrol video files to find examples). Thankfully there have been many more good contacts with "big city" officers. You won't find anyone up here that hate "big city" cops, but there are the minority of "big city" officers that give the others a black eye to us "podunk" cops.

    Now I'd like to extend my gratitude for a job well done helping out down south. Several on my department would have loved to help, but as short staffed as we are, the administration wouldn't allow it.

    Comment


    • Excellent Post.

      You can't ask anything more than that.

      The only problem though is the times when the LEO is courteous and does the right thing but still receives a summons.


      Originally posted by Vtfuzz
      To help answer the question I'll put my two cents in. Fortunately (or unfortunately) in other parts of the US, police officers are held to a much higher standard of conduct than in others. To put it in perspective we have a lot of "big city" officers come to the area for vacation, etc. What they don't under stand is that the civilian population up here takes a very dim view of cops using thier position to get things. A couple of examples would be demanding to get into clubs for free by flashing badges (happens all the time), wanting free things by flashing badges (happens all the time), wanting convenience stores to sell them alcohol after hours by flashing badge (happens all the time), it goes on and on. I don't work in a resort town any more, but we got these calls all the time because these officers would try these things then get made and get into arguments when they didn't work. Then that casts a bad image on us that work in the area because we are lumped together as one.

      Cops up here just ask that you be courteous to us and allow us to do our jobs. I don't know of any officers I work with or have worked with that ticket cops, but I can tell you it gets very tempting when you light up a car and get four arms holding badges out a window instead of the vehicle stopping. Then when they finally stop, giving us a rash of s*&t, just for stopping them. Hello, if you'd let us verify your status and act decent, things would go great for all involved! These aren't isolated incidents, they happen quite frequently (and yes I'm sure I can did through our patrol video files to find examples). Thankfully there have been many more good contacts with "big city" officers. You won't find anyone up here that hate "big city" cops, but there are the minority of "big city" officers that give the others a black eye to us "podunk" cops.

      Now I'd like to extend my gratitude for a job well done helping out down south. Several on my department would have loved to help, but as short staffed as we are, the administration wouldn't allow it.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by Vtfuzz
        but I can tell you it gets very tempting when you light up a car and get four arms holding badges out a window instead of the vehicle stopping. Then when they finally stop, giving us a rash of s*&t, just for stopping them.
        that is so freggin wrong, how many times do you see the news or receive teletypes advising that an officers unit or house was broken into and his credentials and/or gear was stolen, a badge by itself doesnt mean crap, this just goes to show that there are dicks out there. with that in mind, until i see a video with audio of this mess in virgina, i remain totally neutral,
        i had stopped a few officers from surrounding areas or from different states altogther, and was never met with anything other than respect, i cant even remeber one that was an *** or throwing his badge up, usually, they didnt even say anything untill i asked for a home phone and place of employement, and these stops were for minor violations, when i was just looking for stops.
        i had been stopped 3 times while an officer, 1 in okla by deputy when he thought i had my high beams on, 2- by tx trpr for speed 10 to 15 over, 3- colorado city pd for no taillights on my trailer, i showed the same respect that i was given, for these minor traffic violations, and was given respect in return. i find it so hard to believe that an officer would give another officer ****, wether it be the officer who is on duty or the one off duty. this behavior just blows me away.
        i may just be naive, but i just cant phathom officers being ***'s to each other,

        Comment


        • "BOY, dont uze know its illegal to be using those there emergency lights in my state unless you is responding to an emergency?" (you give some people a badge... "
          press hard-5 copies

          Comment


          • State Statutes

            I learned a few things as a result of this thread. In Virginia convoys use the right lane and oncoming traffic onto the entrance supposedly stops and waits for the convoy to pass. In NY convoys use the left lane to avoid the oncoming traffic from the entrance ramp that does cut into convoys. Two states two different practices. Not knowing the difference doesn't equal disrespect, it means effective communication to inform both parties. Better communication could have prevented this situation, whether it was NYPD supervisors beforehand or the Virginia State Police that were aware the convoy was coming from Tennessee. Lessons SHOULD be learned from this incident, to avoid future situations there and elsewhere. Does the fact there are no unions or fraternal organizations in Virginia and there are in NY have something to do with the type, level and understanding of professional courtesy? Possibly. Such organizations ideally are able to smooth out interagency and intraagency squabbles, unless dealing with the rare but occassional unreasonable, uncooperative, rude, obnoxious, lone ranger sociopath that wears a uniform, and is an enigma and thorn in the side of said agency. I still do not understand why any on duty uniformed officer would issue a summons to another on duty uniformed officer from the same state or another state, if said unit's operator's only transgression is a possible traffic infraction. I think it is insane for state X's officer to take it as a personal slight and sign of disrespect that a marked police vehicle from the same or another jurisdiction is inadvertintly in violation of a traffic infraction. The whole North South thing is archaic, devisive and illadvised. criminals that assault LEOs don't distinguish state boundaries, so we should recognize that and try as best as possible to stand together before we end up standing alone.
            Last edited by actiontrooper; 09-28-2005, 02:20 AM.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by actiontrooper
              I learned a few things as a result of this thread. In Virginia convoys use the right lane and oncoming traffic onto the entrance supposedly stops and waits for the convoy to pass. In NY convoys use the left lane to avoid the oncoming traffic from the entrance ramp that does cut into convoys. Two states two different practices. Not knowing the difference doesn't equal disrespect, it means effective communication to inform both parties. Better communication could have prevented this situation, whether it was NYPD supervisors beforehand or the Virginia State Police that were aware the convoy was coming from Tennessee. Lessons SHOULD be learned from this incident, to avoid future situations there and elsewhere. Does the fact there are no unions or fraternal organizations in Virginia and there are in NY have something to do with the type, level and understanding of professional courtesy? Possibly. Such organizations ideally are able to smooth out interagency and intraagency squabbles, unless dealing with the rare but occassional unreasonable, uncooperative, rude, obnoxious, lone ranger sociopath that wears a uniform, and is an enigma tand thorn in the side of said agency. I still do not understand why any on duty uniformed officer would issue a summons to another on duty uniformed officer from the same state or another state, if said unit's operator's only transgression is a possible traffic infraction. I think it is insane for state X's officer to take it as a personal slight and sign of disrespect that a marked police vehicle from the same or another jurisdiction is inadvertintly in violation of a traffic infraction. The whole North South thing is archaic, devisive and illadvised. *********s don't distinguish state boundaries, so we should recognize that and try as best as possible to stand together before we end up standing alone.
              Nicely said!!!!

              Though it would be nice from someone southern side of the issue to at least say things could have been handled differently or better. O.com provides us these great forums, which I for one, have learned a few things off of.

              editted to add *** http://wcbstv.com/video/[email protected]
              Last edited by cst.sb; 09-28-2005, 01:53 AM.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by jarobins
                The caller demanded that we stop and ID the driver. We didn't call her. She continued to call until we stopped the convoy and even then stopped behind the convoy waiting for us to assist her in obtaining a warrant. She even complained about the NYPD officers that exited their cars and proceeded to urinate in plain view on the shoulder of the interstate. Thanks for making our job easier. Pure and simple, we stopped the convoy because we were doing our job. Thanks for being grateful that we did not allow her to try and obtain a warrant. Accident or not, it wouldn't have happened if the convoy wasn't blocking the entire interstate while going below the speed limit. The drive thru VA to NY is over 300 miles, it is not a short trip even going the speed limit. The caller had been trapped behind the convoy since Knoxville, TN. This same convoy even attempted to block our own unit from passing while he had his lights and siren activated. Most rationale people would agree that it is a little ridiculous to expect that nobody is going to pass you for 300 miles.

                As for the second part. Maybe I'm naive or just have a Trooper's mentality, but why do you need an escort? I could understand if if were for different circumstances or even if you were headed southbound immediately after the storm. But going back home?

                Nobody disrespected NYPD, we were doing our jobs.
                I have an issue with this caller... First - I believe she was more than able to GO AROUND. Second, it sounds like she's got a hard-on for Out of state cops, or just cops in general.

                Why is it her place to DEMAND a warrant? She is the public that we serve and protect, but it seems to me that she just wanted to get her big nose in everyone's business.

                My $.02

                PDC

                Comment


                • Read cafefully:

                  "Originally Posted by jarobins
                  The caller demanded that we stop and ID the driver. We didn't call her. She continued to call until we stopped the convoy and even then stopped behind the convoy waiting for us to assist her in obtaining a warrant. She even complained about the NYPD officers that exited their cars and proceeded to urinate in plain view on the shoulder of the interstate. Thanks for making our job easier. Pure and simple, we stopped the convoy because we were doing our job. Thanks for being grateful that we did not allow her to try and obtain a warrant. Accident or not, it wouldn't have happened if the convoy wasn't blocking the entire interstate while going below the speed limit. The drive thru VA to NY is over 300 miles, it is not a short trip even going the speed limit. The caller had been trapped behind the convoy since Knoxville, TN. This same convoy even attempted to block our own unit from passing while he had his lights and siren activated. Most rationale people would agree that it is a little ridiculous to expect that nobody is going to pass you for 300 miles.

                  As for the second part. Maybe I'm naive or just have a Trooper's mentality, but why do you need an escort? I could understand if if were for different circumstances or even if you were headed southbound immediately after the storm. But going back home?

                  Nobody disrespected NYPD, we were doing our jobs"

                  So maybe she couldn't just go araound.

                  Comment


                  • Hmmm....The video is quite the story.....damn embarassing, I'd say.....
                    Southern Law Enforcement at its best............

                    Comment


                    • The newspaper (Star Ledger) today had an article about NJ cops in marked units ALSO being stopped by VSP prior to the NYPD getting hassled.

                      Same reason for the stop- lights on, left lane- plus they were allegedly speeding.

                      The Passaic county sheriff had a hissy fit and tore the VSP a new *** in the paper. Unfortunately, the Ledger doesn't have this story linked on its website.

                      This isn't an isolated incident folks, this is an ongoing problem with VSP.

                      Comment


                      • Here is the article

                        Crossing the thin blue line


                        By MICHAEL L. OWENS and ALICIA PETSKA
                        The News Virginian
                        Wednesday, September 28, 2005




                        A speeding New Jersey police convoy should not have been warned to slow down here, their superiors say, despite numerous 911 calls from motorists claiming they were forced off Interstate 81.

                        An incensed New Jersey sheriff called an Augusta County deputy a
                        I believe forgiveness is Gods function; my job is to simply arrange the meeting.

                        Comment


                        • I just caught this thread today, Im only halfway through the posts so I wont throw in my $.02 just yet but when I read this I felt the need to reply before I get distracted.

                          Originally posted by gotthblues
                          former officer here
                          WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

                          Are you retired or have you moved onto another line of work?

                          IF not retired, then what are you doing posting in this part of the forum?

                          Comment


                          • You just took the wind out of my sails bud!!!
                            You basically hit EVERY single point I was going to type here.

                            This thread just like the other that was here about PROFESSIONAL COURTESY makes me sick to my stomach.

                            Between these two threads Ive pretty much summized that some people will NEVER get it. PERIOD!


                            Originally posted by hoohoo
                            Ponderous, F;ing Ponderous!!!!

                            You VA guys and youre supporters for your actions are the debate brick wall. Some hoople from TN here talks about what we should REALLY be concerned with? I am concerned with my brothers and sisters being victimized by the system we serve. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DO IT TO OURSELVES. Lets all lock arms and sway in unity, and sing kumbayaa as long as its not in the left lane. We are all brothers, right? As long as you dont violate some stupid and insignificant VTL in the state of VA. What the F*** does someone doing wheelies, DUI's and racing or whatever you are babbling about have to do with this scenario of brother and sister officers wanting to get home to their families. You are as dense as you are narrow minded. I dont give a fiddlers fart what they teach in your academy, robot. There is no substitute for common sense and good judgement, with a dose of appropriately metered justice. Thank God you are secreted behind a road sign somewhere, acting the barrel chested bully with all of those vicious wild eyed arch criminal left lane drivers. Leave the life and death decisions to real cops who have to make judgement calls all day long in the interest of serving the public. Most of that isnt taught in a book.

                            Unbelieveable. Truly. Your lack of understanding in this matter makes me sick. Without a grasp of how we should treat one another, you have no business standing shoulder to shoulder with real Police Officers.

                            They were ON DUTY Law Enforcement Officers in uniform and marked autos. The only courtesy shown was us stopping for you.

                            Further comments from you, other than apologies are useless. Go write a ticket, meter maids.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by CBP1895
                              Speziale: Have your sheriff call me. I don't talk to deputies.
                              Roane: OK.

                              Sounds to me like he talked to a deputy.

                              The speed limit in Augusta County (I-64) is 65 mph. If the convoys do 75 to 80 I doubt citizens would call and complain, and I doubt the police/sheriffs would bother them. Reports now say the New Jersey group was traveling 95 and 100 mph. That's insane.

                              Comment




                              • Originally posted by cleetus0219
                                The newspaper (Star Ledger) today had an article about NJ cops in marked units ALSO being stopped by VSP prior to the NYPD getting hassled.

                                Same reason for the stop- lights on, left lane- plus they were allegedly speeding.

                                The Passaic county sheriff had a hissy fit and tore the VSP a new *** in the paper. Unfortunately, the Ledger doesn't have this story linked on its website.

                                This isn't an isolated incident folks, this is an ongoing problem with VSP.

                                Comment

                                MR300x250 Tablet

                                Collapse

                                What's Going On

                                Collapse

                                There are currently 4711 users online. 283 members and 4428 guests.

                                Most users ever online was 158,966 at 05:57 AM on 01-16-2021.

                                Welcome Ad

                                Collapse
                                Working...
                                X