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  • #16
    Originally posted by 1code12
    Huh? I think it boils down to one thing...liability. I'd be intersted if your insurance provider would protect you if your POV was involved in a collision and you had your blue light flashing.
    They will protect you the same as they will a firefighter or EMT with red lights...as long as you have a permit and are legal. Why would it be any different with your four way flashers going at a crash scene that you stopped to render aid at. At least with a blue light going I have all the privilages of any other emergency vehicle (ie. traffic must change lanes when passing by, etc.). Plus it can help identify me if I need to back up another officer for some reason. Its funny how an officer having a dash light they have access to is such a big thing to some officers. I guess you'll just have to lump just about every LEO in the state as a whacker....

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    • #17
      LIABILITY is the real issue and your POV insurance etc.

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      • #18
        I agree that liability is the real issue. Also,you'd have to have a siren to be considered an emergency vehicle in Wisconsin. Unless your department approves of this, think about how you'd feel having someone else living in your house when you get sued and no longer have a job.
        Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice. Barry Goldwater

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        • #19
          In California, it's illegal to have lights/siren in your POV. At least it keeps us out of trouyble...
          Severe Vitas

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          • #20
            if your officer is doing this because he/she might roll up on a traffic accident have them get a YEllow/amber magnet light..then there is no issue at all.
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            • #21
              Whoever wants blue lights/sirens on their POV hasn't found all of the porn sites on the internet yet
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              • #22
                Why would you want a blue light in your car?? It can only develop problems for you at some point in regards to your safety while off duty or even your families. Plus if you start putting blue lights in your POV and there is no law stating that you can or cant, the next thing you know you are going to have a Blue Light Bandit problem, the public is going to question seeing a blue light in a ford focus per say and not want to stop for it, or if this officer does start stopping vehicles with it and it hits the news that the person got charged for not stopping then any tom dick and harry that can get their hands on a blue light might start stopping cars, I think you might be opening up a pandoras box with that. Now I have a code 3 dashlaser that stays in the trunk of my car, and should a real emergency come up and they call the whole dept in to handle the situation that is the only time i would ever consider using.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by OffDuty
                  Bad idea, with big time personal liability issues.

                  Suppose that you haev these in your POV.. for whatever reason(I cant think of a good one) and you decide to go help someone, and you end up in an accident. Do you think that your department insurance is going to cover you, since you arent in a dept vehicle? Yeah, right. And your own insurance company wont foot the bill either, more than likely.

                  My house, and all my possessions just aint worth it. If the department wants me to work off duty they will give me a car. Mine does.. and I drive it sparingly off duty for that reason.
                  I agree... and I'm not an officer. I know this is different, but I used to be a paid firefighter. I changed jobs and started volunteering. I asked my insurance company about red lights on my pov. The agent said it was not a problem since I was not compensated for volunteering.

                  If you are using a light on your pov for career purposes, I could see potential for a problem to arise.

                  P.S... Sorry for the post- I got carried away and just realized what forum I was reading.
                  Last edited by tbg15; 09-05-2005, 12:19 PM.

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                  • #24
                    What A tool

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                    • #25
                      Is it just me, or don't we have to spend enough of our own money in this profession? So if he rolls up on a traffic collision and uses his lights, is he taking the paper? If you aren't taking any enforcement action, just act like a normal person and help if you want. You don't have to identifiy yourself as off duty LEO to tell people to not stand in the street.

                      This is just beyond me. And like I have said before, you better always be armed if you are doing this in my opinion. Any time you are letting people know you are a LEO, assume there is a crook nearby that wants to kill you. Or one that follows you home, and you just put your family and property at risk! What for?

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                      • #26
                        There is no real reason for a police officer to have emergency lights in his POV. If you roll up on an accident, put on your h***ard lights, put out your warning triangle, and maybe a road flare.
                        No man is justified in doing evil on the grounds of expediency. - Theodore Roosevelt, The Strenuous Life: Essays and Addresses (1900)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BayCityBrawler
                          I've never though about doing this with my vehicle because when I'm in my civies I put my blinder's on. This subject had come up at my agency recently because one of our officers installed a blue light in his POV. Now nowhere does it say in the law that officers can specificaly do this, but it does exempt officers from the "Unlawful blue light" law. Also there is no place in our policies that say you cant do this.

                          I'm looking for opinions on this, how do you all feel?

                          Talk about your "taking the job home with you" scenario.....someone doesnt seem to know the term "off duty"..........a thought to ponder.....if your partner pulls someone over, and the s**t hits the fan, wheres his backup???? they all think he's off duty when he is in a POV and are not aware or prepared to back up as they would be an on duty cop in a marked unit......god forbid he ever takes his family in the car and some dirtbag remembers the car as a unit (how would they know the difference - to them blue lights = cop)......things to think about....
                          What would Dirty Harry do in a situation like this???

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BayCityBrawler
                            Ok, bearing that, lets say fixed mount or non-fixed lights are on an officers POV. Nothing says an officer can, nor does anything say an officer cannot put them in his/her vehicle. But, Florida law does exempt LEO's, thus bringing some to conclude that is allowable, how would you feel? Put yourself in Florida. Something dosn't feel right about it to me, but at the same time I think that its just a different vehicle than the officer drives at work and his powers of arrest are no different so is it really that bad. I can't seem to really take a side.

                            does a chef still wear a chef's hat when he eats at someone elses house????? he's still a chef, but an off duty chef......he can still assist with the cooking when he's not working w/o having to look like a chef......
                            What would Dirty Harry do in a situation like this???

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by gamecockfan
                              What A tool
                              I agree...I know guys that have radios, lights alternating lights etc. Screw that. When I get of work the only way I get involved is my cell phone. Of course unless it is some heinous crime or a shoot out or something that couldnt just be avoided.
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                              • #30
                                I have a portable. The only time that I used it was to warn oncoming when a combine was broken down on on the road.
                                You do not want to run into farm machinery. It has sharp, pointy things and is not moving.
                                Making a stop in a pov is just dumb. And should be unlawful. I did mail a cite to the RO that cut me off. He paid it.

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