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    Anybody heard about this?

    Apparently they need 60000(?) or 600000(?) signatures to put it on a ballot, and they have the support of several lawmakers. The plan I heard was to hire 3000 to patrol the borders and another 900 to work the interior of the state. (Source was a radio interview while I was driving between Michael Reagan and Ray Hanes, an apparent Assemblyman).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...ice_Initiative

    http://www.calborderpolice.com/

    Which brings up the question: Does California plan on enforcing Federal Law, or do they have a state law pertaining to illegals crossing into the state?
    Do you realize that in about 40 years, we'll have thousands of old ladies running around with tattoos?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Creeker
    Anybody heard about this?

    Apparently they need 60000(?) or 600000(?) signatures to put it on a ballot, and they have the support of several lawmakers. The plan I heard was to hire 3000 to patrol the borders and another 900 to work the interior of the state. (Source was a radio interview while I was driving between Michael Reagan and Ray Hanes, an apparent Assemblyman).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...ice_Initiative

    http://www.calborderpolice.com/

    Which brings up the question: Does California plan on enforcing Federal Law, or do they have a state law pertaining to illegals crossing into the state?
    This is a real deal. The only problem is Ca has no authority to deport anyone. based on past performance I suspect we wil get little help from the feds.

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    • #3
      from one of the websites

      Facts About The California Border Police Initiative:

      * The California Border Police will be a state police force (like the CHP) established in the state constitution and under the authority of the Governor.
      * California Border Police officers will be authorized to patrol the border and enforce all federal immigration laws statewide, including laws against employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
      * The California Border Police Initiative will save state taxpayers at least $10 for every one dollar it costs.
      * The California Border Police will be sworn and trained police officers, not volunteers.



      that should help ^^

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SPM
        Facts About The California Border Police Initiative:

        * The California Border Police will be a state police force (like the CHP) established in the state constitution and under the authority of the Governor.
        * California Border Police officers will be authorized to patrol the border and enforce all federal immigration laws statewide, including laws against employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
        * The California Border Police Initiative will save state taxpayers at least $10 for every one dollar it costs.
        * The California Border Police will be sworn and trained police officers, not volunteers.



        that should help ^^
        Yeah, I saw that, but doesn't answer how States can enforce Fed Law.

        Not that there's anything wrong with that, but where does it stop? Is the state going to ultimately investigate Civil Rights Complaints, or will they pass a redundant state law pertaining to Immigration?

        I know it doesn't sound like it, but I am totally in favor. I'd be a Minuteman if my budget allowed it.
        Do you realize that in about 40 years, we'll have thousands of old ladies running around with tattoos?
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        • #5
          The 10th Circuit has already ruled that the states can enforce fed immigration law and the Supreme Ct agreed by refusing the case.
          "Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence." - Cicero, 60 B.C.

          For California police academy notes go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CABasicPolice/

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          • #6
            Bring them all to immigration and drop them off in the front lobby.
            "In my life I have met many people who were quick to point a finger, and but a few that cared enough lift one"

            ME

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            • #7
              I really hope it passes.

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              • #8
                This sounds like a great idea although Bush will probably whine to Arnold that Vincinte Fox will be offended.
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                • #9
                  Not the case

                  Originally posted by pkagel
                  The 10th Circuit has already ruled that the states can enforce fed immigration law and the Supreme Ct agreed by refusing the case.

                  No. The Supreme Court refusing to grant certiorari does not equal a disposition of the case on its merits. It merely means that the Supreme Court did not want to get involved (ducking the issue), or possibly that not enough of the justices were interested in the issue to want to take the case. That being said, if the facts regarding the case are as you represent them to be, the ruling would only be considered law in the 10th Circuit. California is in the 9th Circuit, thus the ruling from the 10th Circuit is only influential, but not binding for 9th Circuit judges to follow.

                  I fully concur with all the support for the Minutemen and similar groups seeking to quell the tide of illegals. Lets just get our facts straight.

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                  • #10
                    Here are the links

                    http://www.kscourts.org/ca10/cases/1999/05/98-6325.htm
                    http://www.fairus.org/Research/Resea...m?ID=1986&c=54
                    "Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence." - Cicero, 60 B.C.

                    For California police academy notes go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CABasicPolice/

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                    • #11
                      No one has explained how a state is going to handle deportations. I'd love to send the illegals home.

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                      • #12
                        IAW http://www.lao.ca.gov/ballot/2005/050573.pdf they will be transferred to INS for deportation.

                        Originally posted by Stan Switek
                        No one has explained how a state is going to handle deportations. I'd love to send the illegals home.
                        "Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence." - Cicero, 60 B.C.

                        For California police academy notes go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CABasicPolice/

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                        • #13
                          I have been waiting for something like this in Michigan. Too many damn Canadains crossing the bridge

                          It would be very interesting to see how this works out for Cali, and if any other states would follow suit is Cali succeds. Something has got to be done to secure our borders

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                          • #14
                            If CA does it I would think it would more or less force the other border states to do it because they would get all our illegals. Just an opinion though.
                            "Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence." - Cicero, 60 B.C.

                            For California police academy notes go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CABasicPolice/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pkagel
                              IAW http://www.lao.ca.gov/ballot/2005/050573.pdf they will be transferred to INS for deportation.
                              If I understand the process correctly, those that wish to have a hearing are just released & told to return at a later date. In my experience, INS has been less than adequate. I'd love to see this work but I have no faith in the INS.

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