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  • OttawaCopper
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    Digital recorders make and break careers...all depends who is holding and editing them...Cops keep the whole conversations and walk....bad guys edit and pick the parts that make them look like angels....buy one...and kiss it everyday....

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  • DaveNT
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    I bought a $60.00 (Aust) MP3 player 128Mg with digital recording mode. Its the size of a disposable cigarette lighter and records 14 hours non stop.

    Plugs straight into your USB drive. With an editing program you can quickly cut out all the driving around when nothing is happening and just keep a record of your apprehensions, then copy them to disc if you dont wont to leave them on your hard drive.

    As I work one up most shifts, its a great, cheap tool.

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  • Tim Dees
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    Originally posted by bluep7
    What does the case law say on this. Has it ever been deemed unconstitutional that anyone knows of.
    You have to research your state's laws to determine this. Most, if not all states forbid anyone to record a conversation to which they are not a party. To do so is bugging or wiretapping. Some states allow you to surreptitiously record a conversation if you are a party to it. These are called "one party consent states." For instance, in those states you can attach a recorder to your telephone and record any conversation in which you are participating (but not one of a third party - such as a friend or relative that was using your phone). Then there are "two party consent states" where you can't make a recording of a phone conversation unless you get express consent from all parties being recorded. Finally, some states differentiate between electronically transmitted communications and in-person, face to face communications, so you might not be able to record a phone call, but you could an in-person conversation. And, to muddy the waters further, there are often exceptions for law enforcement.

    So, I advise you to check with your local prosecutor's office and get the straight scoop for your jurisdiction.

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  • sflcop
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    Originally posted by Mac25
    I am seriously thinking about picking one up. However, I am not sure of the legal guidelines for recording. I am a rookie and my dept has the voice recorders but half of them dont work. Do you have to state that you are recording or it doesn't matter. I work in FL, I have not been able to find anything in the statute book about this. Can anyone help me out? Thanks
    In FL people have no expectation of privacy when dealing with the police. You can record until your heart is content.

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  • MCOP207
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    we were issued iriver mp3 players because of complaints, but have found many uses for them including under cover drug operations. they work very well and are very clear i recommend.

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  • Mac25
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    I am seriously thinking about picking one up. However, I am not sure of the legal guidelines for recording. I am a rookie and my dept has the voice recorders but half of them dont work. Do you have to state that you are recording or it doesn't matter. I work in FL, I have not been able to find anything in the statute book about this. Can anyone help me out? Thanks
    Last edited by Mac25; 08-30-2005, 01:33 PM.

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  • USAcop
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    I always tell my supervisors about calls I may get complaints on.

    Supervisors believe me without question because I have told them some of the complaints I MAY get.

    I have definitely surprised supervision and myself with things I have said to the public. Thats why they believe me when I tell them about possible complaints.

    Just tell both sides of the story and be honest.

    The public just gives their side of the story and that is why they have zero credibility with supervison most of the time.

    Supervisors love to know your side of the story when the compaint comes in. That way they are prepared and there are no surprises.
    Last edited by USAcop; 08-29-2005, 07:29 PM.

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  • sflcop
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    Tim and DUI, thanks for your advice. I'm going to play with it now and give it a try to see if the date and time carry over.

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  • Tim Dees
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    Originally posted by sflcop
    I just got a new Olympus VN960PC. Perhaps someone can help me here. What is the best way to transfer the files to my PC and have them arranged via date and time incase I need to recall them at a later time? This one seems to be very different than my last.
    I looked up the specs for your recorder on the web, and it indicates that it comes with a USB cable. When you plug the USB cable into the recorder (power on) and into the USB port on the PC, you should see a new drive listed under "My Computer." Double click on that drive icon and you should see a listing of your sound files. Copy or move those into a folder on your hard drive and they should then be available on your PC. I suggest creating a subfolder for each day of recordings, and maybe even a subfolder for each incident of any consequence. I don't know if the recorder date/time stamps each recording or not, so it might be useful to rename the files as you go if it doesn't.

    I'd also suggest periodically archiving the recordings to a CD - maybe once a month. Buy a CD album or other file and keep them in a safe place. Even if you never use them for evidence or a**-covering purposes, they'll be useful as training tools later on, or as memory-joggers if you ever decide to write a book. I think every cop thinks about writing a book at one time or another.

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  • sflcop
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    Saving on PC

    I just got a new Olympus VN960PC. Perhaps someone can help me here. What is the best way to transfer the files to my PC and have them arranged via date and time incase I need to recall them at a later time? This one seems to be very different than my last.

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  • Tim Dees
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    Also, don't forget that MP3 players are just computer storage devices with earphones. They'll obviously hold music and other sound recordings, but they'll also hold any data that you can store on a computer. If you come across someone with one of these that also might be holding computer-generated evidence (kiddie porn, contact lists, etc.), consider trying to hold onto it as evidence until it can be properly examined by a forensic computer tech. If you try to examine it yourself without the proper tools, you can alter or destroy the evidence.

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  • trader2773
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    On the flip side.... I encountered a MS-13 member a couple of weeks ago. While patting him down for weapons, I found a MP3 player in his pants pocket. I didn't think much of it and put it back. I eventually arrested him and took him back to the station for processing. Dept. of Corrections does not take any electronic equipment as personal property, so we take custody of it and put it into our property. While I'm looking for a serial number and such on the MP3, I notice that it is recording. I went back and listened to what was recorded. He started recording about 30 sec. before I encountered him and went up until I stopped it. You could hear our conversation clearly as well as conversations between officers after I had it in my possession. He knew he was gonna be arrested and was using it as a "training tool" for when he got out. This is pretty much just for FYI.

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  • hutch0331
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    It can be bad officer safety sometimes. when its trained in your head to think about activating a mic before you respond to whats going on around you. Not saying they are a bad idea, but they should be realistic about it aswell.

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  • Crex4242
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    I just dont turn my camera on, but i never herad of them being s strict about if you forget to turn it on. lol We are only human and will forget to turn on the mic and camera.

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  • hutch0331
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    We have camera's in our partol cars and we wear body mics.It has saved my butt a few times. On the other hand it has had me in trouble. It's policy that it is recording when we make contact with the public or while in pursuit. If you get into a pursuit or resisting and forget to activate your mic or camera, you get repremanded. I recently got in trouble because I dropped an "F" bomb while foot chasing an armed robbery suspect. He car jacked a vehicle bailed after the vehicle pursuit and left his ride rolling so it hit a few parked cars. When i caught him, he was wearing latex gloves. I think sometimes the cameras are to police us not save us.

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