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  • Should I Take The Lieutenants Test?

    Here is my situation. I can retire in a year at 81% of my salary. I possibly have the best job on the department for a sergeant, the vice squad. I am not subject to any dress or grooming standards. I'm issued a UC car & cell phone. I'm out in the field every night with my team. We do a ton of police work. We have made over 1500 arrests the past 2 years. We have more fun than I can put into words.

    We are going to be testing for Lt. in about 6 months. I have more time on than every Lt. on the department except one. Many of the present patrol Lt's I trained as new field sergeants. I was already a sergeant when some were hired.

    If I take the Lt. test & promote, I have to stay a year from the time I promote to get the full benefit on my retirement. It will mean about $700 more a month. I don

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    700 bucks is a lot of cash a month. But thena again you are in a great spot in your dept doing somehtign you love. It seems to me you have to weigh the 700 and the 1 more year of service to the BS you have to put up with. In one year you can retire or stay on with the FU money just sitting there in case you get fed up. If you promote you have to wait two years before you can consider retiring with possibly more stress.....How much can you put up with for 700 you don't really need.......
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    • #3
      [QUOTE=Stan Switek]Here is my situation. I can retire in a year at 81% of my salary. I possibly have the best job on the department for a sergeant, the vice squad. I am not subject to any dress or grooming standards. I'm issued a UC car & cell phone. I'm out in the field every night with my team. We do a ton of police work. We have made over 1500 arrests the past 2 years. We have more fun than I can put into words.

      We are going to be testing for Lt. in about 6 months. I have more time on than every Lt. on the department except one. Many of the present patrol Lt's I trained as new field sergeants. I was already a sergeant when some were hired.

      If I take the Lt. test & promote, I have to stay a year from the time I promote to get the full benefit on my retirement. It will mean about $700 more a month. I don
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      • #4
        Sounds like you have almost made up your mind about it, seems more negatives involved than positives. From the sound of it vice is what you enjoy doing more than reg patrol duty.
        Originally Posted by VegasMetro
        maybe it’s me but I think a six pack and midget porn makes for good times?????

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        • #5
          If it means an extra $560 during your retirement ($700 x .81) then take the test.
          Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Matt. 5:9

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          • #6
            It depends, do you want to retire having loved your job until the last day or hating the fact that they kept you around for 2 more years?

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            • #7
              I was in a very similar position. I had passed the Captains test (we did not have Lts. then) and I had 25 years in and was ready to retire. I would have had to stay around for another year to get promoted and then spend another year in rank to get the pay in my pension. I decided that life was too short and I wanted to do a lot of things that I did not have a chance to do while working and pulled the pin. I retired at 25 years at 70% at the ripe old age of 47. I have been out for 11 years now and have collected over a HALf MILLION in PENSION. Ain't America great.

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              • #8
                $560 a month is a good incentive to stay if you are healthy and active and young enough that an extra year won't hurt.
                But if you don't need the money and just want out let some younger Sgt get the position that will stay.
                Tough call. Greed says go for the extra cash per month. Wisdom says retire and enjoy life.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bodie
                  $560 a month is a good incentive to stay if you are healthy and active and young enough that an extra year won't hurt.
                  But if you don't need the money and just want out let some younger Sgt get the position that will stay.
                  Tough call. Greed says go for the extra cash per month. Wisdom says retire and enjoy life.

                  I'd go with wisdom over greed anyday
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                  • #10
                    I think your answer is in your own post.

                    [QUOTE=Stan Switek]Here is my situation. I can retire in a year at 81% of my salary. I possibly have the best job on the department for a sergeant, the vice squad. I am not subject to any dress or grooming standards. We have more fun than I can put into words.


                    If I take the Lt. test & promote, I have to stay a year from the time I promote to get the full benefit on my retirement. [B]It will mean about $700 more a month. I don
                    Job description as told by an old timer: "Drive fast cars, look at pretty women, and drink coffee".

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                    • #11
                      For the extra $$$ I would do it, no questions. In the long term it will benefit you greatly.

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                      • #12
                        I say stay where you are.

                        I've passed on every sergeant's test that I've been eligible for, because I like where I work, I like the guys I work with, and the hours are perfect for me. If I got promoted, I'd get stuck on midnights as either desk or communications sergeant, neither of which interests me.

                        As I told my wife, she wouldn't want to live with the person I would become if I had to work straight midnights.
                        Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides

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                        • #13
                          OOOH.... so you want to become one of them now huh? LOL

                          You have to weigh the odds bro! You are completely happy now and have "the best job" in your agency. With a butter bar you have the responsibility of being on call. I'm sure its a salary position. You are no longer one of "the boys".

                          But it will add a lil extra change to your pocket at the end of the month. Ask yourself one question.. Will I be happy in 6 months? If the answer is yes, then take the test. If you will regret it in 6 months... Stay where you are... or .... Move to Orlando and we will go golfing!
                          "Character is easier kept, than recovered"
                          ~Thomas Paine~

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                          • #14
                            Stan,

                            If you are planning on retiring in the next year or two, I would definitely take the test.

                            First, while you can currently go out at 81% of your salary, CalPERS does not keep up with the cost of living. So, even though you don't need the money now, you really need to max out your highest year so that your pension will mean something 25 years down the line. For exampe, I have two buddies, one a sergeant and the other an officer. Both were at top step when they went out on 50% disability in 1980. In spite of 25 years of annual COLAs, today, the officer's pension is $1,075 per month, while the sergeant's pension is only $1,300 per month. Even if they went out at 100% of their salary, today that would give them $2,150 and $2,600 respectively. Here in our neck of the woods, that won't even keep you in hamburger helper and generic soda pop. In fact, that's almost poverty level when you live in an area where the median price for a house is $550,000 and the ones in the somewhat better neighborhoods start at 1.2 million and up.

                            There is another consideration as well. After a couple of years of retiment, you will no doubt get bored and start looking for another job in law enforcement or a related field, probably with a non-CalPERS agency. You will stand a much better chance of getting that job if you retired as a lieutenant, than as a sergeant.

                            I know graveyard W/C with Tuesdays and Wednesdays off is a bitch, but you need to bite the bullet this once, just to ensure a better future for yourself.

                            Also remember, while promotion means you will be "one of them," you will now be in a position to influence policy and help change things for the better for all the grunts at the bottom of the food chain.
                            Last edited by L-1; 04-03-2005, 01:30 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by L-1
                              Stan,


                              you will now be in a position to influence policy and help change things for the better for all the grunts at the bottom of the food chain.

                              You're a funny guy
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