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  • Che
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    Originally posted by PABear31 View Post
    The real question is, "When did we those that we protect become our enemies?" That happened in the 1960's. The post WWII generation was different than other post war generations. America prospered after WWII. After previous large scale wars the national economy suffered. The children of WWII vets generally had more freedom from worry and responsibility than any other generation in history. They had access to unprecedented methods of rapid transportation and mass communication. ...
    You know in 1960 if you made $1M you paid 90% income tax. America got greedy and much does a millionaire pay today in taxes? Not much at all. Greed should be the issue but everyone is happy with their ________. Fill in the blank with your favorite vice, monster truck, boat, airplane or whatever.

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  • Che
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    Originally posted by PABear31 View Post
    The real question is, "When did we those that we protect become our enemies?" That happened in the 1960's. The post WWII generation was different than other post war generations. America prospered after WWII. After previous large scale wars the national economy suffered. The children of WWII vets generally had more freedom from worry and responsibility than any other generation in history. They had access to unprecedented methods of rapid transportation and mass communication. ...
    You know in 1960 if you made $1M you paid 90% income tax. America got greedy and much does a millionaire pay today in taxes? Not much at all. Greed should be the issue but everyone is happy with their ________. Fill in the blank with your favorite vice, monster truck, boat, airplane or whatever.

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  • Che
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    Originally posted by jcioccke View Post
    shi- heads in all professions. This hate and rooting for our death goes beyond that
    You missed the point. In our profession if we were "professionals" 24/7 you think we would be where we are now? In 1978 when I started I would guess 50% of LE were just "good ole boys". In 2014 you think that has changed? And when it comes to "sheepdogs" maybe 20% of any department are really Lawmen or Law women the other 80% are the stereotypical civil servant. JMHO, YMMV.

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  • SHU
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    Originally posted by GoldBadge View Post
    Simply put, we are vilified by liberals.
    And their media.

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  • jcioccke
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    Originally posted by PABear31 View Post
    How did we become the enemy? Simply by existing. The police have always been the enemy of certain elements of society. The police are the defenders of the status quo. We are the army of the "haves" protecting them from the "have nots". Yes, we are also the defenders of the poor and downtrodden, but only if they keep to their places and support the system.
    The real question is, "When did we those that we protect become our enemies?" That happened in the 1960's. The post WWII generation was different than other post war generations. America prospered after WWII. After previous large scale wars the national economy suffered. The children of WWII vets generally had more freedom from worry and responsibility than any other generation in history. They had access to unprecedented methods of rapid transportation and mass communication. All of this coupled with the often misguided idealism of youth lead to the turbulent decade of the 1960's.
    Television brought the protests and forceful responses of the government into the living rooms of ordinary citizens. The governments' response weren't any different than they had been to previous outbreaks of civil unrest, but the methods of reporting it to the public was. Also, many reporters and the executives that ran the large national news media were sympathetic to the first of the causes embraced by the youth of America. Average citizens in the US and around the world watched as Southern sheriff's deputies and national guardsmen clubbed and blasted non-violent antisegregation protesters with fire hoses. Most of those watching were also sympathetic to the protesters' cause.
    Then came the anti war protests on American college campuses. Middle class Americans got to watch their own children being clubbed and tear gassed by uniformed police officers and national guardsmen. Although the majority of Americans didn't approve of the antiwar movement, at first, they also didn't approve of the police beating their children.
    The protesters won. They beat the Johnson administration, they beat George Wallace and the other southern governors, they changed public opinion. Governmental racial discrimination was made illegal, the American government caved on the Viet Nam war and threw an ally under the bus. But more importantly the liberal college students that participated in the protest concentrated their post adolescent life on a relatively few areas of employment. They became lawyers, educators, and reporters. They wanted to make changes in society and these were the areas that would have the greatest effect if affecting that change. Control the courts, control public opinion, and control the minds of the next generation. When these people, the baby boom generation became the controlling force in the United States they brought with them their ingrained distrust of the government and a deep seated hatred for the most visible arm of that government, the police.
    These are the people that sit in state legislations, city councils, and county commissions. This is the generation that controls college campuses, high schools, school boards, the NEA and state and federal departments of education. These are the people that sit on the benches of state an federal appellate courts, they write the decisions that limit the actions of police officers. These are the people that write and broadcast the stories about Ferguson MO, Islamic terrorism, and police brutality. These are the people that we work for.
    Thank you +1

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  • jcioccke
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    Originally posted by Che View Post
    How did we become the enemy?

    My #1 answer is the lack of "moral courage". A concept I learned in the Marines. If I chew out Jesus for an unsat uniform I need to do the same to Tom, Dick and Harriet. But if you watch 60 Minutes or 20/20 you will see who are whose enemies are. It is other officers, our peers and coworkers. Some departments seem to be just frat houses. Others are 'good ole boy' clubs.

    Cops taking bribes, pimping on the side, drug dealer after hours, gun runner, etc, etc.
    shi- heads in all professions. This hate and rooting for our death goes beyond that

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  • PABear31
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    How did we become the enemy? Simply by existing. The police have always been the enemy of certain elements of society. The police are the defenders of the status quo. We are the army of the "haves" protecting them from the "have nots". Yes, we are also the defenders of the poor and downtrodden, but only if they keep to their places and support the system.
    The real question is, "When did we those that we protect become our enemies?" That happened in the 1960's. The post WWII generation was different than other post war generations. America prospered after WWII. After previous large scale wars the national economy suffered. The children of WWII vets generally had more freedom from worry and responsibility than any other generation in history. They had access to unprecedented methods of rapid transportation and mass communication. All of this coupled with the often misguided idealism of youth lead to the turbulent decade of the 1960's.
    Television brought the protests and forceful responses of the government into the living rooms of ordinary citizens. The governments' response weren't any different than they had been to previous outbreaks of civil unrest, but the methods of reporting it to the public was. Also, many reporters and the executives that ran the large national news media were sympathetic to the first of the causes embraced by the youth of America. Average citizens in the US and around the world watched as Southern sheriff's deputies and national guardsmen clubbed and blasted non-violent antisegregation protesters with fire hoses. Most of those watching were also sympathetic to the protesters' cause.
    Then came the anti war protests on American college campuses. Middle class Americans got to watch their own children being clubbed and tear gassed by uniformed police officers and national guardsmen. Although the majority of Americans didn't approve of the antiwar movement, at first, they also didn't approve of the police beating their children.
    The protesters won. They beat the Johnson administration, they beat George Wallace and the other southern governors, they changed public opinion. Governmental racial discrimination was made illegal, the American government caved on the Viet Nam war and threw an ally under the bus. But more importantly the liberal college students that participated in the protest concentrated their post adolescent life on a relatively few areas of employment. They became lawyers, educators, and reporters. They wanted to make changes in society and these were the areas that would have the greatest effect if affecting that change. Control the courts, control public opinion, and control the minds of the next generation. When these people, the baby boom generation became the controlling force in the United States they brought with them their ingrained distrust of the government and a deep seated hatred for the most visible arm of that government, the police.
    These are the people that sit in state legislations, city councils, and county commissions. This is the generation that controls college campuses, high schools, school boards, the NEA and state and federal departments of education. These are the people that sit on the benches of state an federal appellate courts, they write the decisions that limit the actions of police officers. These are the people that write and broadcast the stories about Ferguson MO, Islamic terrorism, and police brutality. These are the people that we work for.

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  • CruiserClass
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    The media "sells a story" and that's a distinct difference from "tells the truth." Controversy sells. Now that we have MULTIPLE 24 hour news outlets in both traditional media and online, there has to be SOMETHING to talk about to fill all that air time. If they can create a controversy, they will. It keeps the same story in the news cycle for a long time.

    Cop shoots bad guy = one time blip, still need 23.75 hours of "news" to talk about. If you can make it a racial issue or add some controversy in there, you can fill DAYS of your news cycle with it.

    Locally, years ago they aired footage of me and another guy carrying a semi-conscious drunk down the stairs to the medics below. In the video you can clearly see neither of us have our hands above his mid chest, yet we "choked" him. Even when the video they had clearly showed that wasn't what happened, they ran it until something else knocked us out of the news cycle.

    So what do people remember? The controversy. When we're wrong and get arrested, we're all bad cops. When we're right, the thin blue line of silence protected us and we're all bad cops.

    That's why I never talk to the media. I'll give some info to the PIO if it'll help a case, but I refuse to give interviews. Those asshats can suck it.

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  • IrishSheepdog54
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    Everyone is mad at the government right now. We are a representative of the government, forced to enact the laws these *******s keep dreaming up. So therefore nobody likes us, including the ******* government types, because we arrest their voters all the time.


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  • Che
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    How did we become the enemy?

    My #1 answer is the lack of "moral courage". A concept I learned in the Marines. If I chew out Jesus for an unsat uniform I need to do the same to Tom, Dick and Harriet. But if you watch 60 Minutes or 20/20 you will see who are whose enemies are. It is other officers, our peers and coworkers. Some departments seem to be just frat houses. Others are 'good ole boy' clubs.

    Cops taking bribes, pimping on the side, drug dealer after hours, gun runner, etc, etc.

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  • tj05
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    The sad thing is the only thing that will turn this view around is a tragic event like 9/11 (where a large number of cops will die). Then people will praise cops for around a year then things will go back to normal.

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  • hemicop
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    To me, the culprits in all this is the media, for obvious reasons stated. But we also have ourselves to blame. When hiring standards decline, training is cutback & FTOs don't demand peerformance from rookies who go on to become our supervisors we only have "THE SYSTEM" (ourselves) to blame. In a PC mad World where no one is willing to stand-up & say "Sorry rookie, you ain't cuttin' it, you're fired!" we only have orselves to blame. Couple that with the "ME!" generation attitude we ignored or in some cases as parents, encouraged, is it any wonder many now still look at LEOs as just an "annoyance" instead of something to be respected & proud of? To take it a step further, PDs have failed miserably in the PR arena. Think I'm kidding? Look how FDs are worshipped & young people strive to get onto their local FDs. You generally don't see that with LE.
    We, front-line Officers, need to quit pointing fingers & bemoaning our lot in life & instead when asked or even challenged about our work, stand-up & confidentantly & proudly expalin what you do, why, & just how it's beneficial. If "we" make a mistake, own up to it,don't try to rationalize it or apoligize. Conversely, when we do "good" or are right it should be recognized & acknowledged.
    Another site I visit is quite anti-cop but I refuse to let those immature, know-nothing loud-mouths be allowed to spew their BS while decent, dedicated LEOs get slammed with no support or rebuttal. "
    We" need to grow a pair & start standing up for our chosen career....

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  • jcioccke
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    It saddens me to think of all the sacrifices cops make for such ungrateful idiots.
    Exactly!!!! How many parties I missed, School events, Weddings, etc. It is time for a vacation soon

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    I know how you are feeling. I have been pretty bummed lately with all the hate going on. It saddens me to think of all the sacrifices cops make for such ungrateful idiots.

    Lately I have been afraid to do anything in fear of the media. I might do something 100% right but get screwed by the media and our racist DOJ.

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  • GIOSTORMUSNRET
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    Personnaly I believe we became villified by both the media who don't understand or have a clue about police and police tactics, as well as the general public. Besides police shows on TV (Law and Order) that present people with false beliefs about what police can and can't do, or how arrests are supposed to go, or at least how Hollywood thinks they should go, and youtube creating the youtube lawyer that listens to every spewing of people who have little to no law background give advice on laws and law enforcement. The general public are like sponges absorbing bad information from clueless "Sea lawyers". People with no training or knowledge of police tactics, use of force or basic law enforcement are now commentators on how police are supposed to do things. People are claiming things are unconstitutional without even researching the rulings or case law behind what they spew. Our only tool is to stay professional and keep our cool. Don't let them get under your skin. They want you to be that bad cop, the one that looses your temper and becomes their money ticket and you lose your credibility and job.

    One thing I would like to say, be ready to cite supreme court rulings, Hiibel v Nevada, US v Sokolow and for DOD Police US v Apel. All very good US Supreme Court rulings in favor of police. Also know your state rulings and local DA opinion as well as state attorney general's opinion. Don't be affraid to do your job right.
    Last edited by GIOSTORMUSNRET; 09-23-2014, 04:29 AM.

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