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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ultimate86 View Post
    Sounds like a computer in the car would be needed for that setup. I lack that... Ugh.
    Your easiest and fastest way is doing a simple BIN search on your smartphone, if you have one. If you have not tried the website I told you to go to, then you are slacking. If you have no computer, you have to do it the basic way, or invest in a handheld machine,

    If a fake card has a MC logo but it comes back VISA, you know it's a fraud. If nothing comes up, you have a fraud. Just about every banking institution is on the bin search.

    I had perps have decent looking chase cards but a quick BIN search showed me a different banking institution. Gave me enough to hook him up.

    Many of these frauds need to have visual aided clues to be spotted first that gives your PC to start swiping cards. Such as scratches on the face of the card, no rough signature area, mismatched numbers, report/call from store representative, perps going store to store to store with quick purchase, usually one is outside as a look out, or stays near the front. 99% of these cards give you visual clues right off the bat that it's a fraud. No holograms, and other hints I already pointed out.

    You can't just go and start swiping cards at random, at least definantly not here in the state of NEW YORK.
    Last edited by NYCTNT; 05-12-2014, 01:16 PM.
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    • #17
      How to get there.

      If you happen to be in a position to get your hands on someones cards. A lot of people tend to wrap their last receipt around their card. Take a quick glance at the receipt, last four of the card should be displayed on card. If they don't match the card, it's time to start digging.

      Two types of cards out there. Legitimate card that has the magnetic strip recoded and straight forged cards. Good clues have been give to look for on both here.
      Today's Quote:

      "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
      Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by NYCTNT View Post
        Your easiest and fastest way is doing a simple BIN search on your smartphone, if you have one. If you have not tried the website I told you to go to, then you are slacking. If you have no computer, you have to do it the basic way, or invest in a handheld machine,

        If a fake card has a MC logo but it comes back VISA, you know it's a fraud. If nothing comes up, you have a fraud. Just about every banking institution is on the bin search.

        I had perps have decent looking chase cards but a quick BIN search showed me a different banking institution. Gave me enough to hook him up.

        Many of these frauds need to have visual aided clues to be spotted first that gives your PC to start swiping cards. Such as scratches on the face of the card, no rough signature area, mismatched numbers, report/call from store representative, perps going store to store to store with quick purchase, usually one is outside as a look out, or stays near the front. 99% of these cards give you visual clues right off the bat that it's a fraud. No holograms, and other hints I already pointed out.

        You can't just go and start swiping cards at random, at least definantly not here in the state of NEW YORK.
        I owe you beers bro.

        I checked out the site and it looks like a great tool. I'm gonna make some stops today and try to put this stuff to work.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by NYCTNT View Post
          Your easiest and fastest way is doing a simple BIN search on your smartphone, if you have one. If you have not tried the website I told you to go to, then you are slacking. If you have no computer, you have to do it the basic way, or invest in a handheld machine,

          If a fake card has a MC logo but it comes back VISA, you know it's a fraud. If nothing comes up, you have a fraud. Just about every banking institution is on the bin search.

          I had perps have decent looking chase cards but a quick BIN search showed me a different banking institution. Gave me enough to hook him up.

          Many of these frauds need to have visual aided clues to be spotted first that gives your PC to start swiping cards. Such as scratches on the face of the card, no rough signature area, mismatched numbers, report/call from store representative, perps going store to store to store with quick purchase, usually one is outside as a look out, or stays near the front. 99% of these cards give you visual clues right off the bat that it's a fraud. No holograms, and other hints I already pointed out.

          You can't just go and start swiping cards at random, at least definantly not here in the state of NEW YORK.
          Okay, so- a question. I jammed up one of our 47 year old female lifetime local addicts. She had two Bank of America debit cards on her. Both said, "Preferred Customer." I bin based the cards and they came back to Bank of Hawaii. Is this PC to arrest? If so, what California Penal Code Section (484g?) would be appropriate?

          Here are the cards, for your insight:

          4815 8200 4653 4xxx
          4815 8200 4653 4xxx Numerically the last three numbers are different than above card from being exact by only 8 numbers. If the top card was 4444, the bottom one was 4438 (example)

          Should the first 12 digits being identical be a clue to me? She said BofA gave them to her as temporaries since she lost hers. Valid explanation?
          "It's a game of cat and mouse. It's a game of hide and seek. Albeit games with deadly consequences. Like most games-the better you know the rules, the more likely you are to win."

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          • #20
            You bin search the first 6.

            Check other visual clues for signs of a fake card. Such as the signature area is not coarse and the first 4 numbers do not have a set of smaller first four of the c.c. Number printed under it.

            If it's printed Bank of America and it shows up as bank of Hawaii, it is def more ammo to peg her with pointed questions and hook her up for further investigation.

            If she lost the card, why did boa give her two cards?

            Gives me a reason to hook her up, expand my investigation back at the precinct. If it all pans out, explain to the ADA of what you have and articulate how you came about with probable cause to make the arrest.

            Let me elaborate a major key aspect of all this. I did also call the banks(whichever bank it was) and spoke with their l.e./security division. I faxed them over a copy of the card and they made a solid verification if it's their card or not. When I say hook them up, take them back to the station, do your investigation and proceed accordingly.

            Here in nyc, we have "voided arrests". If it is learned they did not in fact commit a crime, we enter a voided arrest report and release them.

            I'm not sure with your procedures out there but do whatever you feel comfortable. Since you have the card, call boa security division and verify with a retired cop who will gladly help you.

            A bin search is not a one stop shop for arrests. It gives you a little more ammo to make the arrest, along with other signs of fraud. So please be mindful while you are out there making these stops and arrests.

            It could very well be a prepaid style card?. It's still up in the air until you conclude your investigation. Some can take a quick glance of a second to make the arrest, others a couple of hours back at the station.
            Last edited by NYCTNT; 05-21-2014, 11:57 PM.
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            • #21
              Thank you.
              "It's a game of cat and mouse. It's a game of hide and seek. Albeit games with deadly consequences. Like most games-the better you know the rules, the more likely you are to win."

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ElDiabloJoe View Post
                Thank you.
                In reference to your above question, I would use 484f(a)PC or 484i(b)PC to make an arrest and investigate further at the station.
                Last edited by Ultimate86; 05-23-2014, 04:41 AM.

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