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  • #46
    i like his music and would be thrilled to meet him. Just cause he pays tribute to the historical black panther movement, doesn't mean he's anti-police.
    So paying homage to a racist organization that historically is responsible for the murders of dozens of police officers and lyrics like "Tell the law my uzi weighs a ton", is not anti-police. Got to hand it to you dude, you are hands down the most clueless member of this board or the most intellectually dishonest.

    Back to the original issue, not the ridiculous boiler plate, shrill "FOX NEWS! FOX NEWS!" red herring people like to drag out every time they don't have a point to make: The issue is not so much that Obama didn't attend, but that he found time to host someone who celebrates cop killers. You can debate to what level his support for the act of murdering a public servant the clown has if you want. I wouldn't **** on the guy's teeth if his mouth was on fire, myself. Let alone be "thrilled" to meet him.

    And hwen has Fox news EVER reported anything good about OBama? ( remember- theyh were trying to paint him as a "racist", then they claimed he'd have "re-education camps", then they claimed he'd take away your guns, then he'd overturn the contstitution and make the US a socialist state, now he's a "cold blooded killer" of fiends like Osama bin Laden!!!)
    Please cite any news reporter from Fox making any of the above mentioned statements. Specific quotes would be nice. Note: Reporting that a political figure made mention of "death panels" is not the same as reporting there WILL BE "death panels". Get over your Fox Derangement Syndrome and stick to the issue at hand.
    Last edited by Georgetime; 05-17-2011, 11:18 AM.
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    • #47
      GT,

      Have you even read the lyrics to A song for Assata? Do you know her history or have you read anything about the issue other than Obama invited Common to the White House? Common isn't rapping about anti-LE, he's rapping about one girl's story and HIS opinion about HER specific circumstances in the judicial system. He's just as much right to his opinion and his amendment protection to speak about it as any other singer/poet/artist/whatever. You don't have to like his lyrics; doesn't make him anti-LE because he speaks about a high profile case that MANY people have questions about. It doesn't make you anti-LE to know that LE doesn't always make the right decision and it was even MORE so in years past. Do you want to pretend it's not true?

      When I first read about this, it was from an article was given to me by Frank. I was irritated by what I saw as Obama's lack of respect. Then I got into a very heated debate with my bestie and (though I don't like to admit it) she was absolutely right about Common and his lyrics and the meaning of this particular song that has everyone in an uproar. I assume you are not famiiliar (as I wasn't) with Common's other song; most of which send a positive message (or should I say, one more people agree with). Why weren't those rap lyrics pointed out? Because anti-Obama peeps saw an opportunity to shove in front of the bus. Regardless, these are two different issue. If you want to whine about him missing Police week...go ahead. The rapper issue isn't connected. No, I am NOT an Obama fan, but even I get irritated withthe constant need to turn EVERY frigging thing into a political firestorm.

      I had NO idea who Common was before this. I do now and I listen to his songs. Still not voting for Obama, but that's nothing doing with his choice of music or him not going to Police week.
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      I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect its straightforwardness in terms of wrongness.

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      • #48
        Do you know her history or have you read anything about the issue other than Obama invited Common to the White House?
        I know her history, I read about it extensively. Along with the stories of other black panthers/BLA from that era. Let me tell you, killing cops was the cornerstone of their movement. You can get a very good and detailed account of some of those murders in some very well written books, "The Ambush Murders", "Target Blue" and "Badge of the Assassin" being just a few. As far as "questions about the case", that is the modus operandi of the people who support killing cops in the name of "Revolution"... see also: Faulkner, Daniel. It's always a frame up, always a conspiracy, always a problem with the justice system. What about the shed blood of our brothers? I think I'm a little more worried about that legacy than I am some racist radical activist murderer. I wouldn't dare support an "artist" who glorifies someone who was involved with the murder of a Trooper, liberal activist shrill screams of protest notwithstanding.

        If you want to whine about him missing Police week...go ahead.
        I don't, and I didn't. I personally wouldn't want him to show up at anything I was at. It's just interesting to note how he spends his time and who he supports. I am neither surprised nor outraged by any of this. I just think it's pathetic that society has degenerated to the point that the President of the United States is inviting "rappers" to hold forth on ANYTHING, but especially ones who praise cop killers and "sing" "songs" that at the very least (by a supporter's standards) cast a non-critical eye at the idea of killing cops.

        He's just as much right to his opinion and his amendment protection to speak about it as any other singer/poet/artist/whatever.
        I never said he didn't, and that's not the issue being discussed.

        Common isn't rapping about anti-LE, he's rapping about one girl's story and HIS opinion about HER specific circumstances in the judicial system.
        Good for him. I don't know the "song" you're talking about. I'm talking about the "song" titled "A Letter to the Law", the lyrics of which are:

        Dem boy wanna talk like dem wanna gon come
        But what you gon' do if you got one gun?
        I sing a song for the hero unsung
        With faces on the mural of the revolution
        No looking back, cousin, Back is what's done
        Tell the preacher that God got more than one son
        Tell the law my Uzi weighs a ton
        I walk like a warrior from them I won't run
        On the streets they try to beat us like a drum

        In Cincinnati, another brother hung
        Again he won't see the sun, with his family stung
        They want us to hold justice, but you've handed me none
        The same they did Kobe and Michael Jackson
        Make them the main attraction
        Turn around and attack them

        Black gem in the rough, you rugged enough
        Use your mind and non power, get the government touch
        Them boy chat chat on how him pop gun
        I got the black strap to make the cops run
        They watching me, I'm watching them
        Them dick boys got a lotta cock in them
        My people on the block got a lotta Pac in them
        And when we roll together, we be rocking them
        To sleep
        (Note to Smurfette: What do you think the meaning of this line is?)
        No time for that, cause there's things to be done
        Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come
        From project building, seen a fiend being hung
        With that happening, why they messing with Saddam?
        Burn a bush, cause for peace he no push no button
        Killing over oil and grease, no weapons of destruction
        How can we follow leader when this a corrupt one?
        The government's the G-Unit and they might buck young
        Black people in the urban area one
        I hold up a peace sign but I carry a gun


        I had NO idea who Common was before this. I do now and I listen to his songs.
        Good for you... Bob your head to the beat in your work vehicle to the line about putting cops "to sleep" if you want. I think I'll stick to Sirius Patriot on my radio, and maybe some Megadeth.
        Last edited by Georgetime; 05-17-2011, 01:01 PM.
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        • #49
          I could not really care less if he (or anyone from his administration) showed up or not......hell, that applies to ANY and all politicians in my book.

          Police week is not about them......it is about US showing respect to our fallen brothers and sisters...no matter their race, creed, or political affiliation.
          The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

          "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

          "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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          • #50
            Probably a good thing. He would have been a real buzz kill if he showed up.
            Prov 17:17 A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.

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            • #51
              Who cares if the President showed up or not. I agree with some of the others who said it's about law enforcement supporting the families and honoring the memories of fallen officers. What I care about from the President and any other politician is if they support law enforcement. Say whatever you want about Obama, but I do know that Joe Biden has always been pro law enforcement and is a big proponent of things like the COPS program, JAG grants, etc. That's what I care about the Republicans wear their patriotisim on their sleeves, but think we're all a bunch of overpaid bureaucrats and would like nothing better than to reduce pay and benefits for law enforcement. Most of these Republican governors who come across as very law and order types also have stood by and watched hundreds of cops get laid off across the country because of their policies and priorities.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by GotOneRunning View Post
                Ok, he missed police week, but even i was confused on the dates until the week of. I had heard two different weeks.
                He didn't miss National Police Week... he chose to skip it. As for the dates, by presidential proclamation, National Police week is the same week every year and the memorial is May 15th every year (SEE BELOW). I hope you're not implying that O was confused about the dates... he gets an invitation every year from the National FOP President.

                By the President of the United States of America
                A Proclamation
                Whereas, from the beginning of this Nation, law enforcement officers have played an important role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms which are guaranteed by the Constitution and in protecting the lives and property of our citizens; and

                Whereas, through constant application of new procedures and techniques, such officers are becoming more efficient in their enforcement of our laws; and

                Whereas it is important that our people know and understand the problems, duties, and responsibilities of their police departments and the necessity for cooperating with them in maintaining law and order; and

                Whereas it is fitting and proper that we express our gratitude for the dedicated service and courageous deeds of law enforcement officers and for the contributions they have made to the security and well-being of all our people; and

                Whereas, by a joint resolution approved October 1, 1962 (76 Stat. 676), the Congress has requested the President to designate May 15 of each year as Peace Officers Memorial Day and the calendar week during which such May 15 occurs as Police Week:

                Now, Therefore, I, John F. Kennedy, President of the United States of America, do hereby designate May 15, 1963, and May 15 of each succeeding year, as Peace Officers Memorial Day, in honor of those peace officers who, through their courageous deeds, have lost their lives or have become disabled in the performance of duty.

                I also designate the week of May 12 through May 18, 1963, and the calendar week during which May 15 occurs of each succeeding year, as Police Week, in recognition of the service given by the men and women who, night and day, protect us through enforcement of our laws.

                I invite State and local governments, patriotic, civic, and educational organizations, and the people of the United States generally, to observe Peace Officers Memorial Day and Police Week in this year and each succeeding year with appropriate ceremonies in which all our people may join in commemorating law enforcement officers, past and present, who by their faithful and loyal devotion to their responsibilities have rendered a dedicated service to their communities, and, in so doing, have established for themselves an enviable and enduring reputation for preserving the rights and security of all citizens.

                In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States of America to be affixed.

                DONE at the City of Washington this fourth day of May in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and eighty-seventh.


                JOHN F. KENNEDY

                By the President:
                GEORGE W. BALL,
                Acting Secretary of State


                THIS WAS A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT WITH HIS PRIORITIES STRAIGHT ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS!
                Last edited by ASR62; 05-17-2011, 01:46 PM.
                "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."
                John Adams

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Smurfette_76 View Post
                  If you want to whine about him missing Police week...go ahead. The rapper issue isn't connected. No, I am NOT an Obama fan, but even I get irritated withthe constant need to turn EVERY frigging thing into a political firestorm.

                  I had NO idea who Common was before this. I do now and I listen to his songs. Still not voting for Obama, but that's nothing doing with his choice of music or him not going to Police week.
                  Whine about him missing Police Week? Seriously??? He didn't miss Police Week, he chose to decline his invitation to speak and skipped it with the exception of the small Top Cop ceremony. He missed the two most important events in my opinion, the candlelight vigil and the memorial event which is where the potus traditionally speaks.

                  Have you ever been to police week? Ever had a fellow LEO shot or killed? Been to a funeral of a police officer killed in the line of duty? Maybe you have, I don't know but I will tell you this.... these issues have EVERYTHING to do with one another! The president's priorities and his lack of respect for the LE community! The decision to invite "Common" to the WH and attend his "performance" but declining his invitation to speak to the widows, children and friends of the 165 officers recognized this year as killed in the line of duty during their memorial service just shows his true colors towards law enforcement. I hope you and every other LEO remembers this SECOND intentional shun of Prez. O come election time in 2012.

                  Side Note: President Bush only missed one Peace Officers Memorial Service during his eight years in the White House. In 2008, he was in Israel making his attendance impossible. I'm not supporting W., just comparing priorities between two successive presidents.
                  "In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."
                  John Adams

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                    I could not really care less if he (or anyone from his administration) showed up or not......hell, that applies to ANY and all politicians in my book.

                    Police week is not about them......it is about US showing respect to our fallen brothers and sisters...no matter their race, creed, or political affiliation.
                    show up, I say to any politician, but show up , make a speech about THEM- the cops- and get the heck out of the way. No photo ops for your next campaign, off to the side picts with officers or civies who wnat them, some "flesh pressing" and a few thank yous- then get the FRACK out of the way! I know folks don't like Obama- and quite frankly ,its part of the DEMOCRATIC process to be critical of your elected leaders, but to jump on this lame huffing about a "rated G" rapper is just silly( well actually a PG rapper, though I'm quite sure "rated G" rapper/actor Will Smith could kick Commons butt in a alley fight, and folks would walk by ,see the fight and be put AT EASE when the "fresh prince" smiles)

                    Now if Obama invited Geronimo Pratt, or a Bobby Seale to the White house during police week, or pardoned Assaata Shakur aka Jo Ann Chesimard, then I'd have to agree that Ol' Barry is a jerk, and join in the griping about him.....
                    "we're americans ! We don't quit because we're wrong, we just keep doing it wrong UNTIL it turns out Right"...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by pujolsfan146 View Post
                      Probably a good thing. He would have been a real buzz kill if he showed up.
                      Actually....your Brothers and Sisters booed him in 10....and no one told the ones booing to stop.....

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                      • #56
                        NJLawman.com EDITORIAL
                        Police and
                        Law Enforcement News


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                        The Poetic President and
                        the Silent Governor

                        NJLawman.com
                        Police and Law Enforcement News
                        Friday, May 13, 2011 4:50 p.m.

                        The evening of Wednesday, May 11, 2011 will go down in police lore as - to put it mildly - a most interesting evening.

                        You see, it falls during a very special week, an almost religious week, for the law enforcement community. One week each year we honor those officers who were killed in the line of duty during the previous year. It is the week where we add the newest class of officers to the Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Wall in Washington D.C.


                        It is Police Week.

                        And on the evening of May 11, organizers were making last minute preparations for the events of the week which include various ceremonies, conferences, a candlelight vigil, and a memorial service followed by a wreath laying ceremony.

                        At the same time, law officers from agencies of all types and sizes were settling into hotel rooms as they continued their - in some cases - several-hundred mile journey to Washington D.C. as participants of the Police Unity Tour. Instead of driving or flying, they make the trek by bicycle as a way of honoring our fallen brothers and sisters.

                        The evening of the 11th was also the night where husbands, wives, moms, dads, and children of our nation's fallen officers prepared for an extremely emotional week as their loved one is to be given their final honor: inclusion on the Law Enforcement Memorial Wall.

                        On the same night, less than two miles away from the Memorial Wall, the home of our nation's President was bustling with an evening of poets and poetry. One of the invited guests was an artist who gained notoriety from - among other things - performing songs glorifying cop killers.

                        In fact, one of his songs is about Joanne Chesimard, the convicted murderer of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster. Below is an excerpt:

                        There were lights and sirens, gunshots firin

                        Cover your eyes as I describe a scene so violent

                        Seemed like a bad dream, she laid in a blood puddle

                        Blood bubbled in her chest, cold air brushed against open flesh

                        No room to rest, pain consumed each breath

                        Shot twice wit her hands up

                        Police questioned but shot before she answered

                        One Panther lost his life, the other ran for his

                        Scandalous the police were as they kicked and beat her

                        Trooper Werner Foerster never kicked or beat her as the song goes. He died on the pavement of the New Jersey Turnpike from multiple gunshot wounds. And while this "poet" portrays Chesimard and her cohorts as completely innocent victims, he, interestingly, never quite addresses how Trooper Foerster was shot twice in the head with his own gun. But we digress.

                        This poet has also supported and written about Mumia Abu Jamal, the murderer of Philadelphia Police Officer Daniel Faulkner.

                        And he performed in the White House. And during Police Week.

                        How unthinkable. How unimaginable.

                        The most troubling and even demoralizing part of this story is the fact that President Obama had a chance to undo this situation before it happened. When news of this story first broke, some suspected that the invitation to this fellow was made by a low level staffer, and upon hearing of this artist's past, Mr. Obama would rescind the invitation and distance himself from the situation.

                        But that wasn't the case. Instead, the White House defended their position and, ultimately, the President and first lady enjoyed an evening of poetry including a performance by a man who glorifies cop killers.

                        And, again, it all took place during Police Week.

                        The president is the president to all people, not just those who support law enforcement, or the military or anyone or any particular value system. We understand this.

                        But at a time where our nation's most noble profession is honoring men and women who lost their lives defending good from evil, it is clearly inappropriate to socialize with a man who justifies and glorifies evil.

                        Yes, the president is the president to all people: us too.

                        The second slap in the face comes from our own law-and-order governor. You know the fellow, Governor Chris Christie, who campaigned on and always boasts of his support for law enforcement.

                        Governor Christie was asked for his opinion on the President's choice of entertainment. The response from Governor Christie's office was no comment.

                        Incredible. (continued below)


                        Governor, this was an easy pitch. The killer who was glorified murdered a New Jersey State Trooper. You are the governor and the boss of the New Jersey State Troopers. What exactly is the problem?

                        Perhaps our governor has his own evening of poetry coming up on his schedule.

                        In ending this piece we originally thought to paint the irony of the law enforcement November dilemma if an Obama vs. Christie election were to take place should Governor Christie decide to run.

                        But this editorial shouldn't end with anything remotely near silly or satirical.

                        Instead, President Obama, your decision and timing were reprehensible. Having such a person at the White House is inevitably going to create headlines and controversy. Did this really have to take place during Police Week?

                        Governor Christie, your actions or lack thereof were more confusing. The woman celebrated by this artist killed a trooper, one of your troopers. And all we get from you is silence?

                        You've both often characterized yourselves as unwavering friends of law enforcement. Understand something, the distinction of being a true friend of law enforcement is defined by us, not you.

                        And, right now, neither of you are even close.

                        NJLawman.com



                        Perhaps this will shed light on Barry and Governor KRISPY KREME! This is from NJLAWMAN.com!
                        " The Beatings will continue until Morale Improves "

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                        • #57
                          And while this "poet" portrays Chesimard and her cohorts as completely innocent victims, he, interestingly, never quite addresses how Trooper Foerster was shot twice in the head with his own gun. But we digress.
                          But it's all good though. There are cops here on the boards that get down to his music. He's positive, after all. It doesn't matter. Just bob your head along with the beat and sing along about "rocking" other cops "to sleep" and how your uzi weighs a ton. Nah, the memory of a murdered Trooper really isn't important. The beat is catchy and besides, you know police weren't always perfect. F'in sickening that anybody who wears a badge would listen to this pile of dog sxit.
                          Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Georgetime View Post
                            But it's all good though. There are cops here on the boards that get down to his music. He's positive, after all. It doesn't matter. Just bob your head along with the beat and sing along about "rocking" other cops "to sleep" and how your uzi weighs a ton. Nah, the memory of a murdered Trooper really isn't important. The beat is catchy and besides, you know police weren't always perfect. F'in sickening that anybody who wears a badge would listen to this pile of dog sxit.
                            It is obvious that you never heard of Common prior to this controversy, as you seem to think that those two pieces are representative of his music, which they are not. Listening to someone's music doesn't imply agreeing with everything that they say or even imply agreement with anything that they say at all. Plenty of artists and musicians have crazy political views, and most don't live their lives in a manner that we would want our children to emulate. Even a group as uncontroversial and mainstream as U2 has written a song defending Leonard Peltier (Bono has been a guest of the White House too, of both Bush and Obama).

                            If you believe so strongly that one should not listen to any musician that has ever penned controversial , offensive, or politically extreme lyrics, what teh heck kind of music do you listen to? Michael Bolton and Kenny G?

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                            • #59
                              It is obvious that you never heard of Common prior to this controversy
                              Irrelevant. A lot of cops never heard of Ice T until the controversy surrounding "cop killer", either. Did that make their outrage any less legitimate? No, it did not.

                              as you seem to think that those two pieces are representative of his music, which they are not.
                              So "music" that he himself has written and "sung", is not representative of his music. Got it. So if I (to borrow an analogy) write a song about the nobility of an SS guard at a death camp, does that represent my support for the Nazis, or not. Words have meaning.

                              Listening to someone's music doesn't imply agreeing with everything that they say or even imply agreement with anything that they say at all.
                              I fail to understand someone who makes their life's work by enforcing the law being supportive of someone who lionized a woman who was part of the murder of a Trooper and wrote a "Song" threatening violence against cops. I posted the lyrics, they are easy to see. They are indefensible in my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

                              If you believe so strongly that one should not listen to any musician that has ever penned controversial , offensive, or politically extreme lyrics,
                              You're misrepresenting what I'm saying, intentionally or not I can't tell. I did not state that I believe that "one should not" listen to a musician that "has ever penned" a controversial song. I am stating that I don't understand how a cop could listen to somebody who has such a low opinion of what they do for a living. Nobody has yet explained the attraction, just given lectures ad nauseum on how bad law enforcement officers used to be. An analogous situation in my mind would be a Jewish person listening to a Neo Nazi death metal band. Why would you support an "artist" who at a minimum approves of, if not outright calls for, attacks on your brethren?

                              Even a group as uncontroversial and mainstream as U2 has written a song defending Leonard Peltier
                              And? U2 didn't write a song that advocates violence against cops and prattle on about how their Uzi weighs a ton and "rocking" cops "to sleep" with a "black strap" that "makes the cops run", now did they? Besides that I don't personally care for U2 anyway.
                              As far as I am concerned a cop listening to "Common" is no different than a cop that listened to Ice T when he came out with "Cop Killer". I have yet to see anyone tell me why thinking so is "wrong". You right to listen to it includes my right to call any cop who supports "Common" a confused and/or unprincipled individual if I see it that way. And I do. You're free to disagree.

                              or politically extreme lyrics, what teh heck kind of music do you listen to? Michael Bolton and Kenny G?
                              None by people who penned songs in support of cop killers or advocated attacking them. Next?
                              Last edited by Georgetime; 05-18-2011, 12:23 PM.
                              Be dangerous, and unpredictable... and make a lot of noise. - John Bush, Anthrax

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by BigPat View Post
                                guest of the White House
                                I doubt any of the other ones were at the WH during PW......unlike this turd.....

                                Could it had killed them to wait a week or two...?

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