Officer shot - dashcam video

[BenjaminsDad]

This was posted in the Texas forum but I didn't see it in here where I think it deserves a wider audience. (If it was already posted, I apologize)

http://blip.tv/file/4987288?utm_source=player_embedded

Long story short, suspect levels a gun multiple times at an Officer, and the Officer does not fire, but rather tries to talk the suspect into dropping the gun.

I'm hesitant to armchair quarterback any incident, but this one leaves me scratching my head. If a suspect is pointing a gun at me, he's getting shot, not talked to. It is reminiscent of the Dinkheller incident, and although the Officer in this case is expected to survive, it's still tough to watch.

[mtxpro752]

When someone is armed it it NOT the time to talk, or yell commands or any of that, SHOOT until he's no longer a threat. If the guy is still alive, then you can talk.

[AzLaw_E]

holy cow. Yeah i won't do the monday night quater back thing either, but at that close range with a long rifle....jesus was watching over this guy.

[BigSky]

I've got nothing to say on this other than I'm glad the officer lived.

[MG108]

When someone is armed it it NOT the time to talk, or yell commands or any of that, SHOOT until he's no longer a threat. If the guy is still alive, then you can talk.

The Sgt. said the range coupled with innocent people in the Sunbeam bakery behind the gunman prevented him from safely taking a shot.

[HEDP]

The Sgt. said the range coupled with innocent people in the Sunbeam bakery behind the gunman prevented him from safely taking a shot.

Ah, that makes sense.

[Michigan]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! I wanted to shoot that POS so bad I pulled my gun on the computer. Now I'm ****ed off at 7am. Thanks.

[11b101abn]

Glad the Officer is alive.

Outside of that, he is a screaming FAILURE in terms of combat mindset. Probably best for him to leave the profession.

He never brought the fight to the bad guy. Condition white the entire time.

I got plently more, but I'll leave it there for now.

[dontknowwhy]

At the end of the video, it sounds like he acknowledges that he messed up. Sounded like he said 'all my classes, all my tactics, went to s---'

[SgtCHP]

The Sgt. said the range coupled with innocent people in the Sunbeam bakery behind the gunman prevented him from safely taking a shot.

That theory kind of went by the wayside once the suspect fired the first shot, didn't it? Look at all of the shots that hit the overhead above the suspect just prior to him being shot. Ludicrous argument! The officer should have taken the first shot and done all he could to take the suspect out at first contact.

[jswwjw]

Ok; all that aside

Is he ok, what is his status? Good I pray

[Prov1x]

I believe it said he might lose his right eye.

[BenjaminsDad]

He lost his right eye.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7512422.html

[towncop]

Glad the Officer is alive.

Outside of that, he is a screaming FAILURE in terms of combat mindset. Probably best for him to leave the profession.

He never brought the fight to the bad guy. Condition white the entire time.

I got plently more, but I'll leave it there for now.

Wow. I can't believe how much we are in agreement today.

[mtxpro752]

The Sgt. said the range coupled with innocent people in the Sunbeam bakery behind the gunman prevented him from safely taking a shot.

So you actually think that the people in the bakery were pressed up against the windows watching what was going on? The armed gunman had just walked out, they either ran out the back or hit the floor.

This response was his own lack of confidence in his shooting ability, and an unprepared mindset when going into a tactical situation where deadly force was almost immanent. I would bet you a weeks pay that he was unprepared to shoot someone when he put on his uniform that day, and was still unprepared when that call went out across his radio. Two situations should have been running through his mind on the way there, #1 guy is no longer armed : take into custody , #2 guy is still armed: eliminate the threat.

What I still don't get is the talking to armed suspects, you see it all the time.
Question, you walk in to a 7-11 to see a man pointing a gun at the clerk and people on the floor; Do you......
A: Yell "Police, drop your weapon!"
B: Take cover, hope he didn't see you and call back up.
C: ID yourself then shoot
D: Shoot, don't say anything first.


























If your answer was anything but D you aren't getting in a police car with me. Any other answer leads to the bad guy having time to shoot the clerk, shoot you, duck and take a hostage... the list goes on. There is NO legal requirement for you to ID yourself before shooting if you are otherwise justified in using deadly force.