Leader

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Frustrated with Juries!!

Collapse

300x250 Mobile

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Frustrated with Juries!!

    I generally don't get too wound up in my cases, most of the time fully expecting plea bargains and other deals when it comes time for court. Today, however, I had a trial for a guy that I arrested after a traffic stop for Possession with Intent to Distribute Crack, Cocaine, and Hydrocodone along with unlawful carry of a pistol. A few months after that arrest an investigation I had been running led to a search warrant at the same guy's apartment that yielded charges of Trafficking in Cocaine, Crack, Marijuana, Ecstasy, Hydrocodone and another possession of a firearm.

    My first case finally made it to trial today after he rejected all plea deals and jumped bond fleeing the state. I figured the only chance his public defender had would have been at a suppression hearing, which he lost miserably. Got all my evidence in, almost 10 grams of crack rocks probably about 50 in number, 3 grams of powder coke found in 3 separate baggies, 24 hydrocodone pills in a plastic baggie and the gun that was in his jacket pocket. After two hours of deliberation the jury comes back with guilty verdicts for simple possession of all the drugs and guilty on the gun charge.

    It literally amazes me that anyone in their right mind could think that someone with three different types of drugs and a gun him is anything but a drug dealer! The inference level for distribution is only 1 gram for both crack and cocaine and as was pointed out to the jury he had over 9 times that level!

    I'm just so fed up right now having spent 11 hours on a day off during a night shift rotation to get such a disappointing verdict. Anybody else been seeing juries having unrealistic expectations and the inability to understand the law? I'm pleased they didn't buy the defense's silly argument that the coat belonged to someone else and that I was not doing my job by not sending it off for DNA analysis (good grief). But how can you find him guilty on possessing these drugs and not think he was dealing??? Unbelievable!

  • #2
    It was a good week in our courthouse. Four criminal jury trials, four convictions.
    Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

    I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

    Comment


    • #3
      It happens....................................and it is nothing new.



      In 1975 a well known Disc Jockey in Des Moines Iowa was charged with hiring a hit man to kill his wife. The hit man was a state police detective.

      Remembering that this was 1975 video wasn't what it is today-----------------but the SP had rented two motel rooms, & video taped the entire transaction where the man counted out the money, placed it in the hands of the "hit man" and specifically told the hit man to "Kill my wife"

      I attended part of the trial as I was in LE classes at the time.......................................I saw the video. The trial was moved to a place as far away from Des Moines as possible and still be in the state.


      A "Johnny Cochran" type attorney defended the idiot. He got the wife to sit directly behind his client throughout the trial AND testify that she didn't believe that he really wanted her killed.


      The jury acquitted.

      Then next day the wife filed an uncontested divorce.
      Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

      My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

      Comment


      • #4
        I have come to the conclusion that the average jury has the equivalent of a 1st grade education. Each individual may be geniuses, but there is something about the deliberation room that shuts down most of their brain.

        I've had slam-dunk cases get found not guilt, and so-so cases get found guilty...juries are very unpredictable in most cases.

        Keep your head up...you did your job.

        Comment


        • #5
          Probably several members of the jury either take drugs (legal or illegal) or a direct family does. So having three types of drugs means nothing when bobs sons age 12 takes a narcotic to wake up, one to make him focus and one to calm him down plus ambien at bedtime.

          Point is drugs are more common than ever before.
          Any views or opinions presented by this prenomen are solely those of a burlesque author and do not necessarily represent those of a LEA or caementum couturier.

          nom de plume

          This is the internet- take all information with a grain of salt. Such could be valid and true or could be typed just for playing devils advocate.

          Comment


          • #6
            demotivational posters - THE JUSTICE SYSTEM
            see more Very Demotivational

            While this is sort of backwards, I believe it still applies...

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by S&WGUY! View Post
              demotivational posters - THE JUSTICE SYSTEM
              see more Very Demotivational

              While this is sort of backwards, I believe it still applies...
              You know that very same thought was running through my head on the drive home yesterday! lol

              Even his defense attorney was shaking his head after the verdict and said to me the law is too complicated for people to understand when it comes to intent to distribute. Oh well at least the conviction gets an enhancer for the next case if the ATF doesn't end up picking it up like they are supposed to.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by WTPD3534 View Post
                Anybody else been seeing juries having unrealistic expectations and the inability to understand the law?
                All the time.

                I learned years ago to put together the best case I possibly can and hand it off to the system without looking back. I've lost cases that were slam dunks and gotten convictions on cases that I was shocked to learn we were going to trial on. Often going to the jury is a roll of the dice, for both sides.
                Originally posted by kontemplerande
                Without Germany, you would not have won World War 2.

                Comment


                • #9
                  WTPD, As SRT does, you do your job as best you can and then the prosecutor takes over. Remember it is the "People" not Officer WTPD prosecuting the case. If the prosecutor fails to get a conviction it is no reflection on your abilities. When you are much closer to retirement, you'll look back and realize that the jury system does work. Juries usually reach the verdict supported by the evidence.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I lost a DUI with a test of .278 at a jury trial.

                    The jury didn't believe the Forensic Chemist----because he was a "state employee" rather than making big bucks with his Phd.


                    That one actually got me called into the Judge's chambers------(2 days later when he saw me on another case)---------------he wanted to tell me it wasn't my fault
                    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SRT936 View Post
                      All the time.

                      I learned years ago to put together the best case I possibly can and hand it off to the system without looking back. I've lost cases that were slam dunks and gotten convictions on cases that I was shocked to learn we were going to trial on. Often going to the jury is a roll of the dice, for both sides.
                      This
                      Originally posted by Dinosaur32 View Post
                      WTPD, As SRT does, you do your job as best you can and then the prosecutor takes over. Remember it is the "People" not Officer WTPD prosecuting the case. If the prosecutor fails to get a conviction it is no reflection on your abilities. When you are much closer to retirement, you'll look back and realize that the jury system does work. Juries usually reach the verdict supported by the evidence.
                      and this
                      Pete Malloy, "The only thing black and white about this job is the car."

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I have always felt (and I am in S. Mississippi as well) that they will ALWAYS spend more time in jail when I arrest them then they will ever spend after trial. Keep up the good work, keep looking forward and be safe.
                        "I do not fear the man who yells, I fear the man who doesn't"

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Dude if you really want to get mad, come file some cases in LA county. In particular LA metropolitan court.

                          You have guys get arrested for an ADW with gang enhancement for stabbing a random person for violating gang turf, calling out their gang as they commit the crime, have gang tats all over their face and arms, yelling their gang outloud in court when they get mad at their public defender etc all to have a jury drop the gang enhancement, stating they just couldn't believe that the stabbing was to benefit the gang. Then they drop the ADW to misd battery and the gangster walks out on summary probation.

                          Saw that exact scenario twice last year.
                          Originally Posted by VegasMetro
                          maybe it’s me but I think a six pack and midget porn makes for good times?????

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I've been to trial once and she got 20 days for her 2nd DWI! 6 women on the jury!

                            Keep working hard and don't worry about stuff you can't control. I know it sucks.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SRT936 View Post
                              All the time.

                              I learned years ago to put together the best case I possibly can and hand it off to the system without looking back. I've lost cases that were slam dunks and gotten convictions on cases that I was shocked to learn we were going to trial on. Often going to the jury is a roll of the dice, for both sides.
                              SRT is right! Your job is done when you filed the case, worrying about or getting upset by Plea deals and convictions will only harm YOU. It ain't worth the stress, You did your job, let it go for your own sanity
                              "a band is blowing Dixie double four time You feel alright when you hear the music ring"


                              The real deal

                              Outshined Pujulesfan Bearcat Chitowndet Sgt Slaughter jthorpe M-11 Lt Borelli L-1Sgt CHP Nikk Smurf Presence1 IcecoldblueyesKimble LADEP ateamer ChiCity R.A.B. Jenners IrishMetal GoldBadge willowdared Monkeybomb PhilipCal pullicords Chit2001 Garbageman Narco CruiserClass Fuzz 10-42Trooper Tex4720 irishlad2nv bajakirch OnThe gurmpyirishmanNYIlliniSgtScott31 CityCopDCcgh6366 FJDave

                              Comment

                              MR300x250 Tablet

                              Collapse

                              What's Going On

                              Collapse

                              There are currently 4767 users online. 258 members and 4509 guests.

                              Most users ever online was 26,947 at 07:36 PM on 12-29-2019.

                              Welcome Ad

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X