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  • Another example of Obama at his finest

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    Last edited by fordman318; 03-29-2010, 12:47 AM.

  • #2
    Doesn't this purport to trump state laws? I could've sworn there was a clause in the Constitution that stated 'all laws not inherent and deliberated stated in this document shall fall into the authority and pervue of the States"

    In Virginia, and delaware, firearms do not need to be registered. Permits to carry yes.

    Wouldn't this trump state laws?

    This doesnt sound legal!

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    • #3
      Not that we [as a collective pro-gun group] want to let our guard down, but this isn't a real threat - at least not in the short term - from what I've read over the last year. It's a reincarnation of a 2007 or 2008 bill.

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      • #4
        Yep, 2007.
        I think that bill would allow way too much power for the Attorney General, for one thing. It had no co-sponsors as of August 13, when Snopes updated their page about it.
        With any luck, this attempt will go down the Giant Flushamundo just like the last one did.
        --
        Capital Punishment means never having to say "you again?"

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        • #5
          obama and his group of socialists liberals don't bother to follow the laws. They think they are above the law but everyone else has to follow it. Just like the health care bill and cap & tax, they will just ram it down our throats. obama doesn't have the authority to take over businesses but he did, fired the CEO of GM now the government owns 60% of GM

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dungeonmike View Post
            obama and his group of socialists liberals don't bother to follow the laws. They think they are above the law but everyone else has to follow it. Just like the health care bill and cap & tax, they will just ram it down our throats. obama doesn't have the authority to take over businesses but he did, fired the CEO of GM now the government owns 60% of GM
            Right, cause Bush followed the laws too? You know HR is House Resolution right? You can blame this on Obama if you want, it's not really applicable, but ok.
            Originally posted by K40
            To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
            ‎"You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him." - Rooster Cogburn

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            • #7
              Yeah I'm lost on the Obama reference...
              All Gave Some - Some Gave All

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Resq14 View Post
                Yeah I'm lost on the Obama reference...
                It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, people just find the most random, ridiculous article and shout OBAMA, SOCIALIST, ARAB, as long as possible. It's really quite immature.
                Originally posted by K40
                To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
                ‎"You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him." - Rooster Cogburn

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                • #9
                  Vote Em All Outta Office!!!!!!!!!!
                  Be safe pulling back into the thread...
                  http://infidelswithhonor.com/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
                    It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, people just find the most random, ridiculous article and shout OBAMA, SOCIALIST, ARAB, as long as possible. It's really quite immature.
                    Exactly. I think deep down they enjoy hearing these types of stories, whether they are true or not.

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                    • #11
                      What is your basis for attributing this to Obama? It was first introduced under Bush as HR 2666.

                      Under Bush, it got 16 co-sponsors. Under Obama it has none.

                      Sure doesn't look to me like Obama is pushing the bill -- which is another indication that he is smart enough to know that doing so would hurt him and the party.
                      Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DAL View Post
                        What is your basis for attributing this to Obama? It was first introduced under Bush as HR 2666.

                        Under Bush, it got 16 co-sponsors. Under Obama it has none.

                        Sure doesn't look to me like Obama is pushing the bill -- which is another indication that he is smart enough to know that doing so would hurt him and the party.
                        I would imagine there'll be no answer. All you'll hear back are crickets. The Obama haters don't like it when their irrational hatred is shown to be misplaced.
                        Originally posted by K40
                        To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
                        ‎"You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him." - Rooster Cogburn

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                        • #13
                          I must be missing the part where Obama sponsored this bill. Or perhaps your thread title is 100% misleading and false.

                          Originally posted by fordman318 View Post
                          http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...d?bill=h111-45



                          Congress > Legislation > 2009-2010 (111th Congress) > H.R. 45
                          Text of H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
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                          HR 45 IH



                          SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

                          ‘(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license--

                          ‘(A) under title I of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under that title; or

                          ‘(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under State law.

                          ‘(2) APPLICABLE DATE- In this subsection, the term ‘applicable date’ means--

                          ‘(A) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person before the date of the enactment of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 2 years after such date of enactment; and

                          ‘(B) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person on or after the date of the enactment of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 1 year after such date of enactment.’.

                          SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

                          (a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include--

                          (1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

                          (2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;

                          (3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;

                          (4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;

                          (5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;

                          (6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

                          (7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding--

                          (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

                          (B) the safe handling of firearms;

                          (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

                          (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

                          (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

                          (8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

                          (9) the date on which the application was submitted; and

                          (10) the signature of the applicant.

                          (b) Regulations Governing Submission- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications to the Attorney General under this section, which regulations shall--

                          (1) provide for submission of the application through a licensed dealer or an office or agency of the Federal Government designated by the Attorney General;

                          (2) require the applicant to provide a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(2) of title 18, United States Code) of the applicant, containing a photograph of the applicant, to the licensed dealer or to the office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable, at the time of submission of the application to that dealer, office, or agency; and

                          (3) require that a completed application be forwarded to the Attorney General not later than 48 hours after the application is submitted to the licensed dealer or office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable.

                          (c) Fees-

                          (1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall charge and collect from each applicant for a license under this title a fee in an amount determined in accordance with paragraph (2).

                          (2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.

                          SEC. 103. ISSUANCE OF LICENSE.

                          (a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue a firearm license to an applicant who has submitted an application that meets the requirements of section 102 of this Act, if the Attorney General ascertains that the individual is not prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

                          (b) Effect of Issuance to Prohibited Person- A firearm license issued under this section shall be null and void if issued to a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

                          (c) Form of License- A firearm license issued under this section shall be in the form of a tamper-resistant card, and shall include--

                          (1) the photograph of the licensed individual submitted with the application;

                          (2) the address of the licensed individual;

                          (3) the date of birth of the licensed individual;

                          (4) a license number, unique to each licensed individual;

                          (5) the expiration date of the license, which shall be the date that is 5 years after the initial anniversary of the date of birth of the licensed individual following the date on which the license is issued (or in the case of a license renewal, following the date on which the license is renewed under section 104);

                          (6) the signature of the licensed individual provided on the application, or a facsimile of the application; and

                          (7) centered at the top of the license, capitalized, and in boldface type, the following:

                          , as provided in section 103(c)(5).‘FIREARM LICENSE--NOT VALID FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE’.

                          SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

                          (a) Application for Renewal-

                          (1) IN GENERAL- In order to renew a firearm license issued under this title, not later than 30 days before the expiration date of the license, the licensed individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under paragraph (3)), in a form approved by the Attorney General, an application for renewal of the license.

                          (2) CONTENTS- An application submitted under paragraph (1) shall include--

                          (A) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

                          (B) current proof of identity of the licensed individual; and

                          (C) the address of the licensed individual.

                          (3) REGULATIONS GOVERNING SUBMISSION- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications under this subsection.

                          (b) Issuance of Renewed License- Upon approval of an application submitted under subsection (a) of this section, the Attorney General shall issue a renewed license, which shall meet the requirements of section 103(c), except that the license shall include the current photograph and address of the licensed individual, as provided in the application submitted under this section, and the expiration date of the renewed license
                          TITLE II--RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

                          SEC. 201. SALE OR TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFYING FIREARMS.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 101 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(bb) Unauthorized Sale or Transfer of a Qualifying Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a qualifying firearm to, or for, any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, or to receive a qualifying firearm from a person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, unless, at the time and place of the transfer or receipt--

                          ‘(1) the transferee presents to a licensed dealer a valid firearm license issued to the transferee--

                          ‘(A) under title I of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009; or

                          ‘(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 established by the State in which the transfer or receipt occurs;

                          ‘(2) the licensed dealer contacts the Attorney General or the head of the State agency that administers the certified system described in paragraph (1)(B), as applicable, and receives notice that the transferee has been issued a firearm license described in paragraph (1) and that the license remains valid; and

                          ‘(3) the licensed dealer records on a document (which, in the case of a sale, shall be the sales receipt) a tracking authorization number provided by the Attorney General or the head of the State agency, as applicable, as evidence that the licensed dealer has verified the validity of the license.’.

                          SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.

                          (a) Submission of Sale or Transfer Reports- Not later than 14 days after the date on which the transfer of qualifying firearm is processed by a licensed dealer under section 922(bb) of title 18, United States Code (as added by section 201 of this Act), the licensed dealer shall submit to the Attorney General (or, in the case of a licensed dealer located in a State that has a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of this Act, to the head of the State agency that administers that system) a report of that transfer, which shall include information relating to--

                          (1) the manufacturer of the firearm;

                          (2) the model name or number of the firearm;

                          (3) the serial number of the firearm;

                          (4) the date on which the firearm was received by the transferee;

                          (5) the number of a valid firearm license issued to the transferee under title I of this Act; and

                          (6) the name and address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee.

                          (b) Federal Record of Sale System- Not later than 9 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish and maintain a Federal record of sale system, which shall include the information included in each report submitted to the Attorney General under subsection (a).

                          (c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence.

                          TITLE III--ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

                          SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

                          ‘(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

                          ‘(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the infrequent transfer of a firearm by gift, bequest, intestate succession or other means by an individual to a parent, child, grandparent, or grandchild of the individual, or to any loan of a firearm for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other.’.

                          SEC. 302. FAILURE TO MAINTAIN OR PERMIT INSPECTION OF RECORDS.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, and 301 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(dd) Failure To Maintain or Permit Inspection of Records- It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer or a licensed dealer to fail to comply with section 202 of Blair Holt’s Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, or to maintain such records or supply such information as the Attorney General may require in order to ascertain compliance with such Act and the regulations and orders issued under such Act.’.

                          SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, and 302 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(ee) Failure To Report Loss or Theft of Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person who owns a qualifying firearm to fail to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours after the loss or theft is discovered.’.

                          SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, and 303 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(ff) Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- It shall be unlawful for any individual to whom a firearm license has been issued under title I of Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 to fail to report to the Attorney General a change in the address of that individual within 60 days of that change of address.’.

                          SEC. 305. CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION.

                          Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, 303, and 304 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:


                          TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

                          SEC. 401. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

                          (a) Failure To Possess Firearm License; Failure To Comply With Qualifying Firearm Sale or Transfer Requirements; Failure To Maintain or Permit Inspection of Records- Section 924(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(8) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (aa), (bb), or (dd) of section 922 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.’.

                          (b) Failure To Comply With Universal Background Checks; Failure To Timely Report Loss or Theft of a Qualifying Firearm; Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- Section 924(a)(5) of such title is amended by striking ‘(s) or (t)’ and inserting ‘(t), (cc), (ee), or (ff)’.

                          (c) Child Access Prevention- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:

                          ‘(9) Whoever violates section 105(a)(2) of Blair Holt’s Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, knowingly or having reason to believe that the person is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

                          ‘(10) Whoever violates section 922(gg) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.’.

                          SEC. 402. REGULATIONS.

                          (a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue regulations governing the licensing of possessors of qualifying firearms and the recorded sale of qualifying firearms, consistent with this Act and the amendments made by this Act, as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms, and to assist law enforcement in the apprehension of owners or users of qualifying firearms used in criminal activity.

                          (b) Maximum Interval Between Issuance of Proposed and Final Regulation- Not later than 120 days after the date on which the Attorney General issues a proposed regulation under subsection (a) with respect to a matter, the Attorney General shall issue a final regulation with respect to the matter.

                          SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.

                          In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.

                          SEC. 404. ORDERS.

                          The Attorney General may issue an order prohibiting the sale or transfer of any firearm that the Attorney General finds has been transferred or distributed in violation of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or a regulation issued under this Act.

                          SEC. 405. INJUNCTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

                          The Attorney General may bring an action to restrain any violation of this Act or an amendment made by this Act in the district court of the United States for any district in which the violation has occurred, or in which the defendant is found or transacts business.

                          TITLE V--FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

                          SEC. 602. CERTIFICATION OF STATE FIREARM LICENSING SYSTEMS AND STATE FIREARM RECORD OF SALE SYSTEMS.

                          Upon a written request of the chief executive officer of a State, the Attorney General may certify--

                          (1) a firearm licensing system established by a State, if State law requires the system to satisfy the requirements applicable to the Federal firearm licensing system established under title I; or

                          (2) a firearm record of sale system established by a State, if State law requires the head of the State agency that administers the system to submit to the Federal firearm record of sale system established under section 202(b) a copy of each report submitted to the head of the agency under section 202(a), within 7 days after receipt of the report.


                          TITLE IX--EFFECTIVE DATE

                          SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.

                          The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
                            The Obama haters don't like it when their irrational hatred is shown to be misplaced.
                            I am not a fan of Obama's, but I know that he does not control everyone in the Democrat Party -- which should be pretty obvious -- and that he is not responsible for everything wrong in this world.
                            Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                            Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DAL View Post
                              I am not a fan of Obama's, but I know that he does not control everyone in the Democrat Party -- which should be pretty obvious -- and that he is not responsible for everything wrong in this world.
                              I felt the same way about Bush as you apparently do about Obama. Both Presidents, certainly ALL Presidents have their faults and their good points.

                              I wouldn't classify myself as a "Republican" or a "Democrat." I vote for the person who's stances on things I agree with the most, who I think the country needs at the moment, and how I think that person is going to do under the intense scrutiny of the position.
                              Originally posted by K40
                              To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
                              ‎"You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him." - Rooster Cogburn

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