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  • #16
    Originally posted by sawtac View Post
    7 weeks?!?! That's insane! Unless the Officer is having problems dealing with it, he needs to go back to work ASAP. If it's a good shoot, keeping the officer off work for 7 weeks sends a negative message to the officer, the department, and the public. 3 days, 5 days, 7 days max. As long as the Officer is ready, put him back on the streets where he's needed.
    I agree thats nuts. Starts inadvertantly making the officer feel like he done something wrong. Like you my only worry was that I would have to shoot someone else again so soon. I was on the last day of my shift before my 3 days off, and was 4 hrs from getting off. It was quiet and everything was "good in the hood" as they say, LOL!. Long story short went to a shots fired report (actually my shift sgt first heard them) pinpointed the location, found a guy high as hell on PCP shooting a gun in the backyard for fun, he pointed and end of story. I stayed for about 2hrs went home and 2 days later was told everything was cleared. Our investigators deemed it a good shoot, our chief investigator went and met with the DA ran the investigation down to him, DA said good shoot, end of story, close the book and get back to work.

    Here only if the DA feels something with the shoot wasn't right would it go to a grand jury. If you shoot someone here and it goes to a grand jury, you need to worry then. That means something with the shooting the DA doesn't feel comfortable with and therefore wants to pass the buck to a grand jury. Anything shy of an irresponsible shooting where you clearly screwed up, you won't see a grand jury. The DA may or may not want to see you. If it's clear enough to all involved the shooting was justified you won't even see him on the matter he'll be read the facts from the investigation and close the book on it.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by sawtac View Post
      7 weeks?!?! That's insane! Unless the Officer is having problems dealing with it, he needs to go back to work ASAP. If it's a good shoot, keeping the officer off work for 7 weeks sends a negative message to the officer, the department, and the public. 3 days, 5 days, 7 days max. As long as the Officer is ready, put him back on the streets where he's needed.
      I wish it was 7 weeks here... It's been upwards of 4 months for some officers in my department. I think most of them are off for 2-3 months on average though.

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      • #18
        When I get my 1st OIS, it will be the last. I am going out on 100% medical.

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        • #19
          two with SDPD and you get moved...
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          • #20
            I guess if you work for a big dept they have options, not so if you work with a small town or municipality. I know of one officer in our dept. who was in 4, he is now a Detective.

            I know of another one who has 2, he went back to patrol and then to a special assignment. So no punitive moves here.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by sawtac View Post
              7 weeks?!?! That's insane! Unless the Officer is having problems dealing with it, he needs to go back to work ASAP. If it's a good shoot, keeping the officer off work for 7 weeks sends a negative message to the officer, the department, and the public. 3 days, 5 days, 7 days max. As long as the Officer is ready, put him back on the streets where he's needed.
              I've heard that the whole long period off thing is something that is mandated by CALEA for an agency to be accredited, which we are.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by crazynova View Post
                I've heard that the whole long period off thing is something that is mandated by CALEA for an agency to be accredited, which we are.
                I would be highly surprised if it was......as this is the exact thing that is highly discouraged (which is saying it mildly) by more than a few of the docs that are part of the board at IACP......

                Putting someone that has just been in an OIS off involuntarily for several months is one of the worst things you can do, and it can easily lead to more stress retirements because of the ill treatment after the incident.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                  I would be highly surprised if it was......as this is the exact thing that is highly discouraged (which is saying it mildly) by more than a few of the docs that are part of the board at IACP......

                  Putting someone that has just been in an OIS off involuntarily for several months is one of the worst things you can do, and it can easily lead to more stress retirements because of the ill treatment after the incident.
                  That makes sense to me. Many officers can be quite upset after a shooting and need support from their colleagues. To cut them off from that support can create feelings of rejection and guilt. The people who push for mandatory leave periods are oblivious to the needs of the officer.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by DAL View Post
                    That makes sense to me. Many officers can be quite upset after a shooting and need support from their colleagues. To cut them off from that support can create feelings of rejection and guilt. The people who push for mandatory leave periods are oblivious to the needs of the officer.
                    I guess it's just the system. The time period isn't mandatory, it is just until the Coroner's Inquest or use of force board for the shooting, which averages 7 weeks. The emotional suppor doesn't go away, as the department has something called PEAP, which has a few detectives who's only job is emotiona support for the officers.

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                    • #25
                      I don't see how some guys can get in multiple OIS's. Ive been going this going on 10 years in one of the largest metro areas around, worked SWAT, UC narcs, the worst areas of patrol and am a very aggressive/proactive officer and haven't had one yet. Had LOTS of close calls and been on scene of 2 fatal OIS but wasn't in a position to fire. Seems like some people are a magnet for this stuff and some aren't.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by crazynova View Post
                        I guess it's just the system. The time period isn't mandatory, it is just until the Coroner's Inquest or use of force board for the shooting, which averages 7 weeks. The emotional suppor doesn't go away, as the department has something called PEAP, which has a few detectives who's only job is emotiona support for the officers.
                        Even that doesnt make all that much sense......our 'hit' OIS incidents take a year (on average) to be completely cleared by our Homicide bureau, IA, and the DAs office.

                        The involved Deputies are back to work within a couple of days, and back out in the field within a week or so (sometimes less)
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Narco View Post
                          I don't see how some guys can get in multiple OIS's. Ive been going this going on 10 years in one of the largest metro areas around, worked SWAT, UC narcs, the worst areas of patrol and am a very aggressive/proactive officer and haven't had one yet. Had LOTS of close calls and been on scene of 2 fatal OIS but wasn't in a position to fire. Seems like some people are a magnet for this stuff and some aren't.

                          Our dept averages 40-60 OIS's a year. We've had 13-14 fatal OIS's already this year. Several guys in my bureau have multiple OIS's. It's probably a little of everything. The area you work, aggressiveness, years on and the whole magnet thing.

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                          • #28
                            I was off after mine from last week of April til 2nd week of Sept. It sucked but the States Atty office would not clear it until the Tox results came back from the dead guy and that took FOREVER. At first it was nice to have so much time off but there is only so much jerry springer and golf I can play during a week.
                            I was more scared when I came back then I think I would have been if I would have been allowed to come back quickly. Really was hard to finally come back after that.
                            Crazy part of it all was the 3rd call of the first day I was back was at the same house where my shooting was. New people lived there and they were like "yeah we just moved in, do you know the cop that shot that guy here." I just smiled and said no I dont really know him.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Narco View Post
                              I don't see how some guys can get in multiple OIS's. Ive been going this going on 10 years in one of the largest metro areas around, worked SWAT, UC narcs, the worst areas of patrol and am a very aggressive/proactive officer and haven't had one yet. Had LOTS of close calls and been on scene of 2 fatal OIS but wasn't in a position to fire. Seems like some people are a magnet for this stuff and some aren't.
                              As 5oh stated above me, it depends on alot of factors.....

                              I have been told another factor though....once you have been in one OIS, the chance that you are going to get into another goes up by several percentage points.....if you have been in two, it goes up by A LOT........

                              The reason for that (in my opinion) is this: you have already been through the grinder once, and you now know what to expect from the investigation.....you also know exactly what your 'limit' is as to what you are going to allow the suspect to do before you dump him or her....and you will allow them NOTHING past that limit.....

                              Also, as he stated, we get A BUNCH of shootings each and every year.....we had three in one weekend a couple of weeks ago....all fatals, and all armed suspects.....one Deputy was also shot and wounded in one of the incidents
                              The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

                              "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

                              "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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                              • #30
                                In June a Miami Beach Police Officer was involved in two fatal OIS shootings in 4 days. His first day back after 3 days off and he was forced to shoot at an armed car jacker. I heard that this Officer is pro-active and well liked.

                                http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/...ngs/index.html

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