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  • PD Sergeant
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    Friend or foe?

    "I just love to open some of these threads and get lectured by someone who really thinks they're giving us some information we don't know...We all know what the politically correct action is and don't need to hear from anyone what the proper procedure is when someone spits in your face."

    The problem is some young officers don't know how to conduct themselves. They actually buy what they read when you write "do anything you want and don't get caught."

    Backing an officer up is no longer just about making sure he is physically safe. It is also about making sure he is safe from all the ridiculous complaints and costly civil law suits. It is about helping him keep his perspective.

    If an officer is willing to take his time and effort to try to help you, even if you don't like the answer, he is still trying to help you. When we begin to attack out own, we validate the drones contention that we are as bad as they are.

    Attacking any officer who tries to help you...I am not going to say that you deserve what you get, but you certainly did earn it.

    I hope you never get sued and that these threads are never used against you in court. I hope you go home safe and live as happy a life as you can. I do have some concern that may not happen.

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  • Incognito007
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    Originally posted by tony.o View Post
    I just love to open some of these threads and get lectured by someone who really thinks they're giving us some information we don't know. I don't know if some just want to sound important on a website or maybe their department just doesn't know what a gem they have and they should be teaching at an Academy or something.
    We all know what the politically correct action is and don't need to hear from anyone what the proper procedure is when someone spits in your face. To be honest, however you want to handle it is fine with me.
    +1.

    I'm still a relatively young officer but I have an old school mentality. You want to act like an animal you are going to be treated like one. Act civil, show some respect and it will be reciprocated. I don't want to get physical with anyone, I try to use interpersonal skills to my advantage, but hey if that does not work I'm not going to flinch when a subject gets what he should have gotten from his parent(s).

    I was not there, I don't patrol that area and I don't have to deal with those characters on a daily basis. But I can almost assure you that those characters have been in and out of the system and adding charges alone is not going to make things any better nor make you feel better. I don't have a problem with what the Sgt. did. It's so easy to be PC in these threads, I'm sure admin does not like the negative press but there are those in command staff that would have done the same damn thing.

    Again I'm not about thumping people for sake of thumping people, but you can't lose face out on the streets. You have to put your foot down and let the fools know that you run the city and keep them in check.

    I try to learn as much as I can from these threads. I've learned if people want to act stupid, lay them on the ground prone, and tell them to face away from you and make sure they comply at force if necessary. It's unnerving not knowing whats going on around you, so naturally they'll want to look. Plus it won't allow them to spit on or at you and has other "tactical" advantages.

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  • DAL
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    The action you take has to be directed at preventing the threat, not retaliating for what was done to you. Whatever you do, be sure you can justify it under that principle.

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  • tony.o
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    I just love to open some of these threads and get lectured by someone who really thinks they're giving us some information we don't know. I don't know if some just want to sound important on a website or maybe their department just doesn't know what a gem they have and they should be teaching at an Academy or something.
    We all know what the politically correct action is and don't need to hear from anyone what the proper procedure is when someone spits in your face. To be honest, however you want to handle it is fine with me.

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  • powerstroked
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    We had a guy fired for the same thing earlier this year. If you have handcuffs on them and have searched the person like you should then how are they a threat? Wipe it off and add the Felony 3! Its kinda like what my granddad told me "once you get into a argument with a idiot everyone else cant tell who the real idiot is". If you start acting like the animal you dont make the job harder from the perp you make it hard from the perp's family and friends and everyone else they know.

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  • PD Sergeant
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    Control is Power

    If you can't control yourself, there is no possibility that you will be able to control others. This is especially true when the others have gone so far beyond civil behavior that the police need to respond.

    There should be nobody here that does not know what to do. If you are looking for sympathy, you got it. No one should have to dealt with what we get sent into on a daily basis. But you asked to do this.

    If the work is more than you want to handle, run, don't walk out the door. Find a better job, enjoy your new life. Do this fast, before your wife and children get hurt by one of these dirtbags successfully suing you for your retirement and kid's college fund.

    If you can't control yourself, don't get anywhere near me. I would take it very personally if your lack of control endangered my family.

    I asked to be able to make a difference in this ugly world. It is not always easy, but I will change what I can, when I can. Nobody will remember me when I am gone, but I know that I did make a difference.

    I will always rise above the level of a common street thug. I wear a badge, I am the example.

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  • BlacknWhite
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    I agree a punch would not suffice for spitting. I can guarantee though their face will be pushed in to what ever is near them and I will do that by any means. Im not here to get people's bodily fluids on me and im not going to let my self or another officer be spat on and think im there to take it.

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  • swinans
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    I got three words....taser...taser....taser........that would of been funnier to watch.....I support that LEO

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  • TEnlow714
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    Wow, I wish spitting on a cop was illegal here, I have tried charging assault a few times agains shatbags who have spat on me, the county attorney never even looke twice at it before dismissing it.

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  • IBTP711
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    How about if this fool spits on you and you contract one of several deseases that are communicable through saliva (ie. Viral, Bacterial Menengitis-which could kill you, hepatitis B, or Epstein-Barr, to name a few). Spitting on someone is dangerous, I would rather take the punch from this idiot. IMO this falls under active aggression on the force continuum, therefore equal force is required. I say punch OC whatever to protect yourself from being assaulted. also an ASP in this case is prolly not a good idea duh. A soft personal weapon strike to stun and distract is prolly the best bet, and would prolly be just as effective as a punch.
    Last edited by IBTP711; 08-17-2009, 10:12 AM.

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  • unc25
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    Hind sight is 20/20 guys....(not telling you something you dont already know)

    I would like to say that I wouldn't have punched the kid, but I honestly dont know.

    The kid was obviously out of control, "I Fu&*ed your wife"....."I'll kill you nigga"...."Suck my d#$k".....and probably shouldve been in the back of a patrol vehicle. Then while hes in the back he's acting like a total ******, banging around in there.

    Having been in situations like that its easy to lose your cool and stoop down to their level. But PtlCop has been right on the money when it comes down to it. We are here to enforce the law and not to punish the suspects.

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  • Rush817
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    Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
    I just caught that the handcuffed person said "i f**ked your wife."

    Now i'm not so sure he didn't need punched. Don't know how I didn't catch that the first time.
    If your gonna let him spit on you then you might as well allow him to say he screwed your wife. Those are just words! How just you justfy striking him over words and not for spitting on you?!?!
    Last edited by Rush817; 08-17-2009, 08:36 AM.

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  • westside popo
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    I had an inmate spit on me from inside his cell. Luckily for me and the inmate I did not have a key to his cell.

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  • sublimejhn
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    Spitting on a PO is agg assault here, and I would have hit the guy too.

    Although, with the way he was acting I would have had him face down on the concrete long before he spit at the officer anyway :/

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  • BlackTalon
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    While I agree that a punch to the face is probably going a bit far for being spit on..... and I have been spat upon by neer do wells, I disagree that striking him, even though he is in handcuffs, is wrong.

    We have had more than one officer use an open hand slap, to the face of a spitter as a distraction method, then were able to move the face away and do some rearranging. Our training unit, and IA unit, have found this to be appropriate use of force.

    To each department and officer their own. There is always going to be discrepancies, on what we all view as appropriate, based on where we are employed. It's all about articulation in the end. It's mostly about how well you can describe what you did, and why you felt it was necessary and reasonable.

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