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    Sorry if this has been posted before, at the time I posted this the search option was not working for some reason.

    Anyway, have yall seen this video or heard this story about the police officer that arrested the fireman for not moving his firetruck. Apparently the officer felt that the lane that the firetruck was stopped in needed to be open. The fireman used a little better judgment and opted not to move the truck due to providing the medical personal more protection against other vehicles on the roadway. While the fireman is assisting in extrication of the crash victim the Police officer arrests him. This is such a joke of a Police Officer! Given, I do not know the entire story but how much more can there be? This guy does not need to be a Police officer if he can not use better judgment than that.


  • #2
    There is another old thread on here about this.

    Cop got sued and in Federal Court, $17,500 judgement against him.

    I would of sued too. I also would of thumped him so I could work on the extraction instead of being cuffed. Then I would of have him arrested for interfering with a firefighter.

    IC 35-44-4-8
    Intentional interference with firefighter
    Sec. 8. A person who knowingly or intentionally obstructs or interferes with a firefighter performing or attempting to perform the firefighter's emergency functions or duties as a firefighter commits obstructing a firefighter, a Class A misdemeanor.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by IPDBrad View Post
      There is another old thread on here about this.

      Cop got sued and in Federal Court, $17,500 judgement against him.

      I would of sued too. I also would of thumped him so I could work on the extraction instead of being cuffed. Then I would of have him arrested for interfering with a firefighter.

      IC 35-44-4-8
      Intentional interference with firefighter
      Sec. 8. A person who knowingly or intentionally obstructs or interferes with a firefighter performing or attempting to perform the firefighter's emergency functions or duties as a firefighter commits obstructing a firefighter, a Class A misdemeanor.
      Ditto. That copper lost the case for a reason. He simply was wrong.
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      • #4
        I don't understand why some officers get their panties all in a bunch about traffic enforcement. Who the hell cares if a lane is shut down. Let the traffic build up who cares! There is an accident scene going on, people have to deal with it! I hate the mentality some troopers and also some officers get "this is my highway" or "this is my street" etc. Get off your big horse and realize traffic enforcement is only a small part of being a Police Officer. Ok rant done! haha

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        • #5
          The police first on scene should provide primary assistance ONLY until Fire and their people show up, it's then their ball game and you do what they want and provide a support function and make sure they are safe while doing their jobs.

          I hope the cop was fired, what an ***hat!

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          • #6
            i know a few cops that are constantly giving the firemen grief. its a small penis/ control thing imo. these guys have a job to do to. its a part of our job to give them protection while they are doing it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NYPO View Post
              I don't understand why some officers get their panties all in a bunch about traffic enforcement. Who the hell cares if a lane is shut down. Let the traffic build up who cares! There is an accident scene going on, people have to deal with it! I hate the mentality some troopers and also some officers get "this is my highway" or "this is my street" etc. Get off your big horse and realize traffic enforcement is only a small part of being a Police Officer. Ok rant done! haha
              I am not defending this officer in this case- he is clearly wrong and clearly had "my badge is bigger than your badge" issues.

              That said, fire departments, EMS and law enforcement have to use some common sense when blocking lanes on a highway. If they are not mindful of the traffic flow, time of day, etc they may cause more problems / secondary crashes. Those of us out on the highway know all about secondary crashes- I have worked them due to stalled vehicles, road debris and other crashes. When you take traffic from 70 mph to 10 mph you are just asking for trouble.

              Sometimes blocking the whole road is unavoidable- but most times you can safely allow traffic to pass your scene. To me, it has nothing to do with people being delayed or inconvenienced- it is all about avoiding more crashes.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by KAA951 View Post
                I am not defending this officer in this case- he is clearly wrong and clearly had "my badge is bigger than your badge" issues.

                That said, fire departments, EMS and law enforcement have to use some common sense when blocking lanes on a highway. If they are not mindful of the traffic flow, time of day, etc they may cause more problems / secondary crashes. Those of us out on the highway know all about secondary crashes- I have worked them due to stalled vehicles, road debris and other crashes. When you take traffic from 70 mph to 10 mph you are just asking for trouble.

                Sometimes blocking the whole road is unavoidable- but most times you can safely allow traffic to pass your scene. To me, it has nothing to do with people being delayed or inconvenienced- it is all about avoiding more crashes.

                Absolutely correct !! My problem with FF's are that often under the excuse of safety they block the roads when it is not justified. Probably for the same reason they run sirens at 0300 hrs. on deserted streets. Some of them like the "look at me" syndrome. In my experiences,some of the fire departments often do silly crap just because they think they can.

                We have had issues with road blocked stuff here. It was to the point we requested guidance from the prosecutors office. We were told in the event we instructed the FF to remove trucks from blocking the road and they refused,when the road did not require being blocked, we were to charge them. Out right Arrest? Sounds a little heavy handed. Charges? Bet on it if warranted.

                We as officers are responsible for the safety of the motoring public on the roadways. A crash scene is the authority of law enforcement, not the fire department. I could care less what their NFPA crap or whatever says. It is not about the "Biggest Badge". It is about common sense. Unfortunately, common sense is something about 50% of the FF's around here just don't have.
                "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

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                • #9
                  I understand the issue of secondary crashes but if ther is going to be one, I would much rather it be into the side or rear of the 28 ton fire engine and not my 200 pound body - yours either.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by j706 View Post
                    Absolutely correct !! My problem with FF's are that often under the excuse of safety they block the roads when it is not justified. Probably for the same reason they run sirens at 0300 hrs. on deserted streets. Some of them like the "look at me" syndrome. In my experiences,some of the fire departments often do silly crap just because they think they can.

                    We have had issues with road blocked stuff here. It was to the point we requested guidance from the prosecutors office. We were told in the event we instructed the FF to remove trucks from blocking the road and they refused,when the road did not require being blocked, we were to charge them. Out right Arrest? Sounds a little heavy handed. Charges? Bet on it if warranted.

                    We as officers are responsible for the safety of the motoring public on the roadways. A crash scene is the authority of law enforcement, not the fire department. I could care less what their NFPA crap or whatever says. It is not about the "Biggest Badge". It is about common sense. Unfortunately, common sense is something about 50% of the FF's around here just don't have.
                    That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Your prosecutors office, and you, are really willing to have the media ***storm that would arise from charging a fire department for blocking the roadway? It's an absolutely unwinnable case, and a disaster in the making for your agencies PR people.

                    The cop who would arrest or charge a firefighter for that, is not a cop I want working anywhere close to me.
                    Originally posted by K40
                    To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
                      That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Your prosecutors office, and you, are really willing to have the media ***storm that would arise from charging a fire department for blocking the roadway? It's an absolutely unwinnable case, and a disaster in the making for your agencies PR people.

                      The cop who would arrest or charge a firefighter for that, is not a cop I want working anywhere close to me.
                      Very well put and I agree 110% Lets take this video for example, I think it was justified for the firetruck to block that lane and if you disagree then you don't care about the safety of the EMS and FF's working. They had one lane of breathing room and the lane was taken up by the stretcher and EMS workers, that is not much breathing room. All it would take is a FF to trip and fall and be run over. And to say its your scene not theirs? There are injuries at a MVA which may mean fluid leaks etc. Are you going to clean that up? Are you going to extricate the victim from the car? Then don't say its your scene not theirs they have to listen to you blah blah. Get off your high horse and get the "you're better than them" mentality. Its sickening and it makes us all look like idiots. To contact your prosecutor's officer about a firetruck blocking traffic??? WOW not going to touch that. Hopefully you never get in an accident but if you do I would hope the Firetrucks shut down the whole road for you so you don't run the risk of getting hit again for your safety, but then again since the prosecutors office was contacted they may just keep the road open and have cars zooming past your smashed up cruiser. We all have to learn to work together.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by j706 View Post
                        Absolutely correct !! My problem with FF's are that often under the excuse of safety they block the roads when it is not justified. Probably for the same reason they run sirens at 0300 hrs. on deserted streets. Some of them like the "look at me" syndrome. In my experiences,some of the fire departments often do silly crap just because they think they can.

                        We have had issues with road blocked stuff here. It was to the point we requested guidance from the prosecutors office. We were told in the event we instructed the FF to remove trucks from blocking the road and they refused,when the road did not require being blocked, we were to charge them. Out right Arrest? Sounds a little heavy handed. Charges? Bet on it if warranted.

                        We as officers are responsible for the safety of the motoring public on the roadways. A crash scene is the authority of law enforcement, not the fire department. I could care less what their NFPA crap or whatever says. It is not about the "Biggest Badge". It is about common sense. Unfortunately, common sense is something about 50% of the FF's around here just don't have.
                        Please, realize that it is not like that in every state. Some places it is not "NFPA crap" it is state statue that a crash scene is the authority of the fire department and not law enforcement. Generally, these problems can be sorted out by good communication before the incident.

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                        • #13
                          Let them block the road with that huge engine. Frankly I'd rather deal with secondary crashes than a struck emergency worker. Which is more likely to cause serious injury?

                          I remember a highway fatality I assisted state on and one woman kept complaining she had to get to the airport. I understand its a hassle to have traffic blocked, but to put things in perspective you could be the guy who's spread over about 1/3 of a mile.

                          If you can safely open a lane, fine. I'd err on the side of caution, though, and if the FD feels its unsafe to move their engine they've probably got a reason for it. They'd rather be back at the station watching porn and eating chili then blocking traffic, wouldn't they?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NYPO View Post
                            Very well put and I agree 110% Lets take this video for example, I think it was justified for the firetruck to block that lane and if you disagree then you don't care about the safety of the EMS and FF's working. They had one lane of breathing room and the lane was taken up by the stretcher and EMS workers, that is not much breathing room. All it would take is a FF to trip and fall and be run over. And to say its your scene not theirs? There are injuries at a MVA which may mean fluid leaks etc. Are you going to clean that up? Are you going to extricate the victim from the car? Then don't say its your scene not theirs they have to listen to you blah blah. Get off your high horse and get the "you're better than them" mentality. Its sickening and it makes us all look like idiots. To contact your prosecutor's officer about a firetruck blocking traffic??? WOW not going to touch that. Hopefully you never get in an accident but if you do I would hope the Firetrucks shut down the whole road for you so you don't run the risk of getting hit again for your safety, but then again since the prosecutors office was contacted they may just keep the road open and have cars zooming past your smashed up cruiser. We all have to learn to work together.
                            I like the way you think. I'm more than happy to allow the fire department to close as many lanes as they feel they need to close in order to safely do their jobs.

                            I am more than willing to allow them to put out fires, clean up fluids, treat the injured, etc. While they do that, I'll be back in my car typing up a report or offering to assist in anyway possible. I don't need to get into a badge (or penis) measuring contest with the firefighters, they'll likely save my life one day. Wouldn't want them to get "stuck in traffic" on their way to my accident anymore than they'd want me to get "stuck in traffic" on my way to secure a violent patient for them.

                            Seriously, we're all on the same side guys.
                            Originally posted by K40
                            To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
                            ‎"You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him." - Rooster Cogburn

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NYPO View Post
                              I don't understand why some officers get their panties all in a bunch about traffic enforcement. Who the hell cares if a lane is shut down. Let the traffic build up who cares! There is an accident scene going on, people have to deal with it! I hate the mentality some troopers and also some officers get "this is my highway" or "this is my street" etc. Get off your big horse and realize traffic enforcement is only a small part of being a Police Officer. Ok rant done! haha
                              I absolutely agree, and it totally comes down to ego. These cops that cry about the motoring public and how we need to stop inconveniencing them are generally the ones who make fun of the idiot public themselves, telling everyone who wants to listen how stupid the public is and how they are in charge.

                              Originally posted by j706 View Post
                              Absolutely correct !! My problem with FF's are that often under the excuse of safety they block the roads when it is not justified. Probably for the same reason they run sirens at 0300 hrs. on deserted streets. Some of them like the "look at me" syndrome. In my experiences,some of the fire departments often do silly crap just because they think they can.
                              Or maybe it's because we're dicated by policy to take every call as an emergency run. Take a peek at the traffic law for whatever state you live in, tell me if it says emergency vehicles are justified in using JUST their lights. Now that you're done, and I'm certain your states code said "lights AND sirens" we can move on. Personally, accidents happen, but I'm not about to get sued by Joe Scumbag ESQ who's got video evidence of me not running my siren, thus putting me squarely at fault for the accident.

                              We have had issues with road blocked stuff here. It was to the point we requested guidance from the prosecutors office. We were told in the event we instructed the FF to remove trucks from blocking the road and they refused,when the road did not require being blocked, we were to charge them. Out right Arrest? Sounds a little heavy handed. Charges? Bet on it if warranted.
                              Charging a firefighter for blocking a lane of travel, pretty chicken**** don't you think?

                              We as officers are responsible for the safety of the motoring public on the roadways. A crash scene is the authority of law enforcement, not the fire department. I could care less what their NFPA crap or whatever says. It is not about the "Biggest Badge". It is about common sense. Unfortunately, common sense is something about 50% of the FF's around here just don't have.
                              The criminal act and/or traffic violation of a crash scene is the authority of LE, the patient care and removal of life safety hazards is absolutely not.

                              Just some food for thought. You can complete your crash report at any point during the remainder of your 8 hour shift following that crash, and your citations can be issued up to 6 months after the incident. On the other hand, extrication of the patient and removal of life safety hazards can't wait. So how's about you put your traffic vest on, go lay some flares down, grab a cup of coffee and relax.
                              Seriously, the only reason I wanted to be a cop was so I could post anywhere on this forum.

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