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  • #16
    Originally posted by fordman318 View Post
    Google Carroll V US and Terry V Ohio

    You also have to articulate your reason if anything is produced duringthe "Frisk" This can be as simple as that you are the lone officer, it is dark, and due to the area you felt uneasy unless you frisked him for weapons. Or if you have ever dealt with the vehicleor person and found weapons on or about the subject.

    Also, it is my understanding that you can only frisk the "lunging zone" of the person who you have the suspicion of. Look up Chimel V California. It is also refered to as the "Wingspan" rule. Basically boils down to if you ask the driver to step out of the vehicle, have s suspicion of a weapon, frisk the driver, you can frisk the seat, console, behind the passenger seat, under the seat, depending on the vehicle the glove box, etc..... Basically anything that can be lunged at.

    If you have any questions just ask. I will keep adding if i remember anything else
    Sorry, you need more than being a "lone officer" or because you are "uneasy" to frisk someone.
    Steve

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    • #17
      Originally posted by wirefire2 View Post
      Do they have BoJangles' ads in the NC forum to help you tell it apart from the others?
      Geese. A gaggle from what I'm told.




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      I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect its straightforwardness in terms of wrongness.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Steve in PA View Post
        Sorry, you need more than being a "lone officer" or because you are "uneasy" to frisk someone.
        In every situation no.....but to just say that all the time if I'm by myself I can search that's wrong IMHO....but you arent the one articulating it he is...as long as he can that's fine.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Steve in PA View Post
          Sorry, you need more than being a "lone officer" or because you are "uneasy" to frisk someone.
          +1 on this one. ESPECIALLY in my county with my PA.
          Why are there so many babies on O.com? Creole, you and your buddy JPSO Recruit help me out on this one....

          * "Preach always, if necessary, use words!" St Francis of Assisi

          * Luke Chapter 6, Verses 27-36

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          • #20
            I would tend to agree that you would want to clarify why you were worried about being alone, what made you uneasy and all of that. I was definitely told that the furitive movements, aggressive posture, and all that non sense that throws up the flags needs to be included in the report. You would hate to have a few years before going to court and only have I as worried, afraid, or alone, as your only reference to testify to.

            I am not arguing those things don't justify a seach, I had to try to explain this exact thing to a partner a few weeks ago. When he got upset that I went into someones car and they complained to him I did not ask or explain why I pulled them out and did a quick sweep of the areas they were in. He acted like I had made the whole vehicle pat, weapons check thing up. I found out he even taped me explaining why I searched it and how I justified it and took it to our supervisor later, supposedly to cover his butt on an "impending" complain that never came. Needless to say I am not going to ride parterned with him ever again, he is lazy, idiototic, backstabber. By the way did I mention he is an FTO, what a freaking shame...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jakflak View Post
              You have it put it's front tires high on a wall then kick it's back tires apart to put it off balance. Start at the top (front bumper) and go to the bottom (rear bumper). Don't forget to look for knives in the waistband.
              I'm glad you haven't gotten hurt doing it this way, jakflak. You might want to rethink putting the front tires in contact with the wall; most cars today are front-wheel drive, and you are needlessly giving the offender traction.

              If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

              ---Jack Handey

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