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1) Paragraphs are your friend
2) Your "facts" are still somewhat opinions.
3) What are our views on what? You've crammed so much stuff in there, by time I got to the end, I forgot what the beginning said.sigpic
I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect its straightforwardness in terms of wrongness.
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Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostIron Pigs MC a LEMC member shot a Hells ANgel MC member a 1%MC, in Sturgis. Reports from people on scene say IPMC member was sucker punched and knocked to the ground and began to get stomped and kicked in the head by members of HAMC. The IPMC member thus being in danger of serious physical injury or death pulled his off-duty weapon and fired striking a HAMC member in the stomach and leg. Incident currently under investigation by several law enforcment agencies.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFirst off before anyone even comments on this subject read the following. I want it clean. No disrespect to anyone. Mature adult conversation. Have an open mind.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostAlso read these facts:
Fact #1: Motorcyle CLubs and the 3 piece patch design predate 1% motorcycle clubs, the first motorcycle club who were not 1 % and had a 3 piece patch date back to 1935 and was compromised of war vets and working class Americans.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #2: Most 1% motorcycle clubs did not start as 1% clubs and evolved into them.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #3: The style of ones dress (Baggy clothes, wallet chains, bandanas, exc..), what they ride (Motorcycle, low rider, monster truck, exc.) or if they are a member of a motorcycle club (3 piece patch, 2 piece patch, 1 piece patch, exc.) is the free right of any American and in no way gives anyone, LE or Civilian cause to discriminate against them and have prejudice and include them in same cadigory with a criminal element who may wear similar style of dress. The Nazi's wore uniforms, so do US Soldiers and Police.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #4: Just because someone may talk to or even know a member of a 1% Motorcycle CLub in no way makes that person an "Affilate" or a criminal. As long as they are not involved in the commision of criminal activity or oberserve but not act in presence of criminal activity they are in no way acting in conduct unbecoming or otherwise. (there are many cops/civilians who may know, have family members, neighbors whatever who are in a 1% mc. As long as they do not participate or be present but not act or become involved in anything illegal than under the American Constitution they are doing nothing wrong)
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #5: LEMC have the God given American right to wear patch with 3, 1 or 20 patches. 1% DO NOT regulate style of dress, the road, bars/taverns or anything else for that matter. America is a free country and we ALL have the right to ride, dress and go wherever we want without fear of discrimination by ANYONE.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #6: LEMC are NOT emulating 1% clubs. They are in fact a Motorcycle Club and since motorcycle clubs have been around they are compromised of guys/gals who ride motorcycles and have a vest with a center patch denoting club logo, top patch denoting club name and may or may not have a bottom patch denoting location. 1% mcs do not have right to claim this as "their" design" they in fact copied this design from motorcycle clubs and went on to become law breaking scumbags thus giving the image a bad name. The image is though in fact still a free right of any American and they should not be discriminated against because some scum look similar.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #7: Most 1% MCs hate us cops and wouldnt think twice before stabbing, shooting or beating us to death.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFact #8: Most civilain motorcycle riders ride in fear because these 1% scumbags try to exert fear and control over anyone who rides a motorcycle or wants to belong to a regular non-1% MC.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostWith all that being said let it be known that I am an avid motorcycle rider. I was in my PDs motorcycle unit for 2 years before I became a Narcotics detective. I don’t belong to any clubs because I don’t want to deal with all the hassle from 1% MCs or my own LE brothers who look down and discriminate against seemingly EVERYONE who rides a motorcycle.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostWhat is all your views on this and please try not to argue on here with anyone who may have a differing opinion. Discuss this like mature adults and if you have to agree to disagree. Thank you.Vir rationem suorum gestorum libenter reddit,
sive iustorum sive iniustorum.
Eventus horum non detrectat,
sed cum his cotidie vivit.
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Originally posted by IMachU View PostToo many rules. I'm out.Vir rationem suorum gestorum libenter reddit,
sive iustorum sive iniustorum.
Eventus horum non detrectat,
sed cum his cotidie vivit.
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Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostKilrain: On the contrary I value your statement and think it is worth its weight.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostYou are correct in that if anyone chooses to wear a patch and dress or hang out in certain places then yes they have to deal with the possibility of certain consequences.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostFraternizing with fellons is wrong yes. I simply meant in the "real" world if you have a neighbor who is say an HA or your auto mechanic then obviously you will have certain limited dealings with that person and that doesnt really classify as fraternizing. Even say you are at a bar and you run into this person in a public setting and he buys you a beer or the reverse that too is not fraternizing. Now if you are at outlaw club events with this person and partying with patched members of an outlaw mc then you have crossed the line.
While Sturgis is an all comers type event, most non-biker types, rightly or wrongly, probably see it as primarily an outlaw motorcycle club event. While that perception may not be fair, it is real and we must never forget that in the minds of the public, perception is reality. Once we get to court, things change and the actual facts begin to matter.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostWe can go wherever we want if it is a public place. Now if a private owned bar doesnt let you in obviously you cant go in. Thats just common sence. I meant an outlaw mc has no right to declare a bar there clubs property and ban cops or anyone else for that matter from going there. Once again if an outlaw mc hangs somewhere and you go there then once again you have to deal with the possibility of something bad happening.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostAs for outlaw mcs hating cops and not thinking twice about doing violence to us. Obviously they arnt going to outright attack us because we outnumber them and we are the law. I meant that they do in fact despise us and if given the opportunity not all but some might possibly act on that hatred as example by what happened in Sturgis.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostAs far as regular motorcycle guys riding in fear of outlaw mcs. Of course people arnt in total fear. But you can believe if the average guy on a harley comes upon patched members of a 1%MC his OH-**** factor went up a few notches. Especially if you are a member of a non-1%MC and live in an area where 1%MCs are prevelant.
As for somebody’s feelings when a 1%er rides up next to him......well, there is no accounting for human feelings or frailties.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostHopefully not in your area but in mine yes saddly a lot of cops IA included look down on cops who ride harleys, have tattoos and belong no LEMC or local non-1% MCs. It’s a sad fact that hopefully changes.
Originally posted by mpnj75TPD View PostThank you for your comments, I value everyones statements. Its good to get lots of different views.Vir rationem suorum gestorum libenter reddit,
sive iustorum sive iniustorum.
Eventus horum non detrectat,
sed cum his cotidie vivit.
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Frank Booth: Once again motorcycle clubs have been around long before 1%.
Either way, why a bunch of grown men would have a need to "play dress-up" after putting in 25 years wearing a uniform is beyond me. They're exchanging one uniform for another, one book of "general orders" for another, they have to be "rookies" all over again, be on "probation" all over again. More power to them if thats the way they roll, but in my OPINION, I think it's a little bit weird. And in some cases, a LOT a bit weird as some of these cops, former cops and retired cops start hanging out with 1%ers.Last edited by Frank Booth; 08-15-2008, 09:26 PM.
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