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  • #31
    The fact that the BOP doesn’t even issue a badge to its officers should be an indicator of how much authority they want you exhibiting outside of the fence line. There’s also no need to be out in public unnecessarily painting a target on your back for criminals, ex-inmates, or anti-LE agitators... especially nowadays.

    The Bureau is finally allowing officers to bring their personal weapons onto Federal property in order to protect themselves while commuting to and from work. Don’t screw it up because you want to look all tacticool walking into Quick Chek to grab a Gatorade before your shift.

    Ditch or cover the uniform shirt for your commute, carry concealed, and go about your day.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by AMC1986 View Post
      The fact that the BOP doesn’t even issue a badge to its officers should be an indicator of how much authority they want you exhibiting outside of the fence line. There’s also no need to be out in public unnecessarily painting a target on your back for criminals, ex-inmates, or anti-LE agitators... especially nowadays.

      The Bureau is finally allowing officers to bring their personal weapons onto Federal property in order to protect themselves while commuting to and from work. Don’t screw it up because you want to look all tacticool walking into Quick Chek to grab a Gatorade before your shift.

      Ditch or cover the uniform shirt for your commute, carry concealed, and go about your day.
      If you read PS 5510.15 that covers Detaining and Arresting non inmates. BOP only has Statutory Powers of Arrest for ON DUTY staff only. And even then with over 18 years in with 10 years on SORT I have never heard of a cased where a BOP staff member effected an arrest. Usually they detain and refer to the FBI for say drug intros in the VR and local LE if a DUI wanders onto grounds

      So no badge is needed for off duty as you are not required to carry a firearm or are you representing BOP. Do you have a perk by LEOSA? Yes but the only thing special (perk) is you can have your firearm with you.

      Besides LEOSA is only for you to save your skin not to turn anyone into an 1811.
      Last edited by in625shooter; 11-06-2018, 06:12 AM.

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      • #33
        At my off duty, private employment job, I carried a pocket sized pistol in a pocket holster and kept it in my back pocket concealed. No one else knew it was there.

        It also made a nice BUG on the job.


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        • #34
          I do not work Corrections now, but I did work State Corrections for over 6 years and I understand that a lot of guys want to wear a gun and be seen outside of the gates with a gun on their side. Its as if the gun on their side makes them more a part of law enforcement. I worked with guys who wore a gun belt around inside of the prison and would put their gun in it at the end of the day. Just DO NOT get caught up in a situation outside of those gates off duty with your gun if it is unclear that your agency allows you to carry on your badge. My old corrections department did not authorize off duty carry, so I had a carry permit and only carried concealed. I only carry concealed now, and always will when off duty.

          Be proud of what you do. Without Corrections Officers the criminal justice system would not function. You are a vital part of it.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sackett View Post
            I do not work Corrections now, but I did work State Corrections for over 6 years and I understand that a lot of guys want to wear a gun and be seen outside of the gates with a gun on their side. Its as if the gun on their side makes them more a part of law enforcement. I worked with guys who wore a gun belt around inside of the prison and would put their gun in it at the end of the day. Just DO NOT get caught up in a situation outside of those gates off duty with your gun if it is unclear that your agency allows you to carry on your badge. My old corrections department did not authorize off duty carry, so I had a carry permit and only carried concealed. I only carry concealed now, and always will when off duty.

            Be proud of what you do. Without Corrections Officers the criminal justice system would not function. You are a vital part of it.

            How long ago were you with your agency? If staff fall within the rules of LEOSA coverage (SPA etc) the agency can't restrict carry under LEOSA. Sure they could try and take away say SPA or etc to make one not covered but a good Attorney with a class action lawsuit (provided you don't have a good Union) would squash that in no time.

            As far as carrying I'm not sure why anyone would want to open carry and be that Loud American. Nobody cares off duty is off duty. And as stated the BOP folks have zero SPA off duty. Sounless a shooting involves an ex in mates etc BOP won't cover you and you act on your own. LEOSA is just a tool for one to be protected nothing more nothing less.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by in625shooter View Post


              How long ago were you with your agency? If staff fall within the rules of LEOSA coverage (SPA etc) the agency can't restrict carry under LEOSA. Sure they could try and take away say SPA or etc to make one not covered but a good Attorney with a class action lawsuit (provided you don't have a good Union) would squash that in no time.

              As far as carrying I'm not sure why anyone would want to open carry and be that Loud American. Nobody cares off duty is off duty. And as stated the BOP folks have zero SPA off duty. Sounless a shooting involves an ex in mates etc BOP won't cover you and you act on your own. LEOSA is just a tool for one to be protected nothing more nothing less.
              I was with the Georgia Department Of Corrections from 1990 until 1996.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Sackett View Post

                I was with the Georgia Department Of Corrections from 1990 until 1996.
                Does GA DOC fall under LEOSA coverage guidelines?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by in625shooter View Post

                  Does GA DOC fall under LEOSA coverage guidelines?
                  I do not know.

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                  • #39
                    BOP03, I'm going to take the high road and assume that you're concern is commuting to and from work safely, legally, and conveniently.

                    I imagine that training and experience (yours or others) has taught you that there are some personal security risks with commuting in uniform. That said, you may have made that choice by necessity (e.g.: fifty lockers for 300 CO's) or other reasons. You can somewhat reduce your risks by driving strictly to and from work, but inevitably you will sooner rather than later have to stop for food, gas, or some traffic issue.

                    While most LEO's are unlikely to jam you up for carrying openly (especially since most won't have any idea of the legality), you have to look toward worst case scenarios. If you are forced into a shooting during your commute, you will be scrutinized by the media, politicians, your chain of command, the investigating agency, and state/federal prosecutors. Unless or even if open carry is legal in your state, your violation of law may provide an easy win for a prosecutor concerned about criminal advocacy groups.

                    Since BOP does not have a policy on this issue,you don't want to be the guy who created one. A complaint about a federal CO "brandishing" a holstered pistol while grabbing a soda at 7-11 could well result in some CO across the country getting written up because a pancake holster was spotted beneath his jacket as he hopped out of his car to go to work in some distant state. Stay below administration radar.

                    Another issue is that a holster for open carry on the belt would be a literal pain in the handcuff case. I can't imagine the hassle of attaching and detaching a holster from the belt every day. This may not be as much of an issue if you don't wear an actual Sam Brown belt, but I am inclined to think concealed carry under a jacket is your best alternative.

                    If I can offer an upside to this, your circumstance is one of the few good reasons to carry in a shoulder holster. Good luck and be safe.
                    John from Maryland

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                    • #40
                      We aren’t cops. We only open carry on trips and outside work details. On your own time...hide that ish. Lol

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                      • #41
                        As a BOP supervisor I can tell you as far as I am aware that the BOP does not have locker rooms at any institution . Out of the six institutions I have worked at there was no locker rooms. That being said you have no choice but to wear your uniform to and from work. I know the BOP has changed the policy now on carrying to and from work so it matches what is said in the first step act. The policy now says your firearm has to be concealed when on BOP grounds , when the policy first came out many of our staff at my current institution open carried to and from work but we are in an open carry state . I only carry to and from work in the winter time due to the fact I can put my jacket over my firearm for easy concealment. I due not carry to and from work in the warmer months as it is just to hard to conceal a weapon while in uniform. I also know how the BOP is and do not like the fact that your weapon has to be stored in a lock box secured to your vehicle the reason being is I know how the BOP works and if they get it out for staff member they will try and hook them up for anything. I can see the BOP hooking up a staff member for removing there firearm and placing it in their lockbox for no longer having it concealed once you remove it from your person in order to place in your lockbox. I do make stops to and from work in uniform to get gas or to make a quick run into a store to grab something real quick. I do not believe the op was saying he runs around all over place while off duty in uniform I believe he was meaning he makes quick stops at places to and from work only in uniform.

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                        • KJB
                          KJB commented
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                          They have locker rooms in the staff gym at FCC Victorville but the lockers are for while using the gym. You can still change in them though.

                      • #42
                        You are correct bopstaff. No lockers for us either. I agree with the comments about wanting to open carry while still in the uniform, being a bad idea.
                        Since being in civvies back and forth to work is not an option, he needs to improvise. I know a few who take off utility shirt, and throw on a t-shirt, then a light windbreaker over that. i think a few of the other comments might have even brought that up.

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                        • #43
                          A complaint I hear a lot from staff at my current institution is they question why we in BOP have to conceal carry to and from work when they see Correctional Officers who work for the local county jails open carrying in uniform to and from work. It is nothing unusual to see county Correctional Officers out in public in uniform open carrying . I just explain to them that's is what law and policy state so we have to follow it.

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                          • #44
                            Originally posted by bopstaff15 View Post
                            A complaint I hear a lot from staff at my current institution is they question why we in BOP have to conceal carry to and from work when they see Correctional Officers who work for the local county jails open carrying in uniform to and from work. It is nothing unusual to see county Correctional Officers out in public in uniform open carrying . I just explain to them that's is what law and policy state so we have to follow it.
                            Hey dudettes and dudes, I hope you dont mind if you chime in. The reason you see certain local or county CO's carrying in uniform off duty if that those CO's most likely either are deputized to carry firearms, are in open carry states, or are concealed carry permit (whatever your state calls them). Could be one or more of those situations they are seeing. But as you know working in LE, yes they law may say one thing, but I am sure none of those local county CO's mentioned were violating POLICY. Because that is truly what, in an operational sense governs the day to day operations of a PD. There are times when a policy is simply a carbon copy of a law. But that is my humble opinion. I only worked corrections in the military for 8 years.

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                            • #45
                              Originally posted by bopstaff15 View Post
                              A complaint I hear a lot from staff at my current institution is they question why we in BOP have to conceal carry to and from work when they see Correctional Officers who work for the local county jails open carrying in uniform to and from work. It is nothing unusual to see county Correctional Officers out in public in uniform open carrying . I just explain to them that's is what law and policy state so we have to follow it.
                              Because in the LEOSA description in the ACT it specifically states it's for CONCESALED for off duty Doesn't get much more plain that in the law but leave it to BOP staff to Sprinkle their own twist on things LOL

                              And not to be that guy but the concealed is mentioned in the first 1 or 2 paragraphs

                              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_...ers_Safety_Act
                              Last edited by in625shooter; 11-26-2019, 11:26 AM.

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