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  • Any information on FLETC dates? I know it usually takes almost a year to send CO's, but has the COVID possibly increased that time frame? I know its a first year training, but new hires in my agency basically are sink or swim right now due to pushing the training for new hires being pushed until after their first year.
    Last edited by DOTfed20; 07-07-2020, 08:45 AM.

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    • JZ71LT
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      I'm about to hit my year and haven't heard anything about a Glynco date. It might be a while!

    • Rmodel1965
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      I've heard they are supposed to be ramping up glynco classes soon.

    • Ty808
      Ty808 commented
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      I heard from the rumor mill that they might be doing ICT phase 2 at the institution instead of sending to Glynco. Just what I heard.

    • DOTfed20
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      how would that work? I guess firearms wouldnt be too difficult to do on site based on what I hear, but i can only imagine what classroom the 3-4 moves they teach you would be taught

  • Showtime Respectfully in the future Don't guve out apecifica to anyone but HR and your BGI. Bekieve it or nit, not everyone that works in BOP are great. You'll see a few POS staff that run with personal info. In fact some have such antiquated thought processes its like 1840. Fortunately there are few and far between from when I started But just gauge your audience.

    . I'll say you should be good as you met the criteria I stated earlier

    Good Luck

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    • Showtime0811
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      Thank you! I deleted my comment.

  • Do USP’s issue stab vests? Is it a used one or do they order brand new ones?
    or is it optional and you may have to get your own?
    personally I would get my own if they don’t hand them out, but I heard that most places started issuing vests.

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    • JZ71LT
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      Vests are issued. Required in lows and above now.

  • Well lads, after months of having this on the back burner, I finally pulled the trigger today and submitted my application. I listed MCC manhattan and MCC Brooklyn and my choices. Lets see what this process brings.

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    • HilNaya
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      Good look! I just started at Brooklyn!

  • Just got hired on at BOP. What does the promotions ladder in BOP look like? I heard some agencies go 5-7-9-11-12-13+, but it doesn’t seem that way in BOP. Also, as a grade 6 step 1, will I promote to grade 7 step 2? Any wisdom is appreciated.
    Last edited by Racecar_Johnny; 07-11-2020, 06:55 AM.

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    • Camelbak
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      Five through seven is all automatic. If you start as a 5-1, in a year you'll be a 6-2 and following year you'll be a 7-3. To get your eight you actually have to compete, you submit your package and they make selections. Nine and above are all leadership positions. 9 and 11 are Lieutenants, 12 and (13?) are Captains. Above that they go to a different pay scale for Associate Warden and Warden.

      However, that is for custody side. Once you get your eight you can also try for other non custody positions like counselor or SIS.

    • in625shooter
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      As far as the pay scales Camelbakis mostly right. They revamped the titles to reflect non supervisory LE spots as they recieve more in pay and retirement.
      Years ago we were all GS except in the LE scale a GS 6 in BOP or wherever made more than say the VA. Now everything below 10 is GL. BOP has the most non supervisory LE position. As you mentioned most other LE agencies go ro 11 or 12 automatically.

      When I went from GL 9 to GS 11 LT I had the same pay as a GS 11 from an 11 in say Social Sec Admin but I was on the same Fed LE retirement which is much better than a regular Fers job (Like Social Sec Admin etc)

      GL 8 is the hardest postuon to oromoteninto especially at a Satnd alone. Complex its better odds as more spots.

      Look out for opportunity outside custody. Example if you get int a Case Manager soit they are either 5 or 7 but they automatically go up to GS 11 at year increments 5-7-9-11 etc. And being a non suoervisory GS 11 isnt a bad gig

      Good luck and welcome to BOP

  • how hard is it to become a special investigative agent (GS12) in BOP?, could you feasibly, go from a gl7 transfer to become an SIS GL8, then to an LT the year after, and a SIA the after that? (tentatively 4-5 years?) Does having a degree possibly help with that process?

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    • in625shooter
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      Not so much hard as lucky. The issue is there are very few SIA spots and to get one you usually have to spend several years as an SIS LT. To be an SIS LT you are picked by the Warden (Capt usually has a say) But once an SIS LT its nit a long term gig.

      They say your "Elegible" to put in for the next grade at the 12 month mark. A lot of staff fail to also be "qualified" (Not that the a few inept staff havent gotten promoted here and there but you get what I'm saying) So sometimes Luck and Timing has more to do with it (as BOP can be a family business and that helps promotions like prophecy wriiten in scripture at times)

      So while I have seen a couple fast burners they are the exception more than the rule

  • Does anyone know what guns you need to be able to shoot at Fletc? Much appreciated!

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    • in625shooter
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      Right now (ulesss they recently switched)You use a Glock 17 Gen 4, M4 and Remington 870

      The issue handgun at most institutions is S&W M&P 9 unless yours is one of the few left with Ruger or Beretta DAO boat anchors

  • Thank you. At fletc they teach you ? And how do they grade you ?

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    • in625shooter
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      The academic side has changed in the 20 years since I was there but I believe you have 2 tests now Pay attention in class and you should be fine. Its not as academic as being an 1811 Investigator likenother agencies basic is..

      As far as firearms yes they have good instructors. They break it down pretty simple so if your a Master Jedi with firearms just go at their pace as many have never shot before. I'm not putting the courae out here but its pretty easy just for employment.

      There is a seperate class and qualification for trips but you do that at your institution with howevwr they have it set up.

      Also the only PT you do is the physical fitness test Anything else is on your own time. No screaming an yelling. (unless one gets stupid with a firearm) its a college like atmosphere Just don't get himmed up with drinking or off duty schnanagins. Theres always one in every class

    • Signal108M
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      I went to FLETC around 4 years ago. The classroom academics were straightforward, not rocket science. Just pay attention in class. Do not blow off studying some. If you fail to make a 70% overall average they send you home unemployed. Two multiple choice tests with straightforward questions. The staff there want you to graduate. They’re not there to trip you up. Ask for help if needed with the academics.

      There is no mandatory physical fitness training, just the fitness assessment when you arrive (run one lap of a quarter mile track within 2:38, run the “obstacle course” in an office area, etc. Very easy. There is however, defensive tactics portion of the curriculum which is graded. Again they don’t expect you to be an Olympic athlete; just follow along with the instructor.

      Do NOT think the local city police care that you’re a student at FLETC nor that they’ll cut you some slack out of professional courtesy. They don’t. Also the FLETC director cuts no slack. Several TSA students in my dorm (resembles a nice motel) got drunk and stupid at the dorm pool area the evening after they graduated (departing for home the next day). The FLETC security patrol was called, the newly-graduated TSA students got even more stupid, and they wound up leaving the next morning unemployed.
      Last edited by Signal108M; 07-12-2020, 08:37 AM.

  • How long does it usually take to transfer out once you are hired? Do I have to apply for the GL-8 specialist, or can I transfer as an 6 or 7 once I finish my 1 year probation?

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    • in625shooter
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      There is a 99 9% chance You wont get oicked up ad an outsider transfering in to a GL 8 spit. Just the way it is (The one exception is a newly activated institution or one still trying to get their manning up that recently activated)

      It usually takes a year as your supoose to be off any probationary status. There might be a claim someone did but again thats the exception as I never witnessed it in 20 years.
      If you want tobget somewhere ask your Caor, LT you trust of even an AW/Warden. They know peoole and orobably k ow someone on the ground there.

      How it works is you apply through USA Jobs for a a
      ouncementbyou ualify but it has to state "BOP Reassignment Eligibles " But let your overhead k ow they will help. Because an institution you are intereated in coukd make an a announcement once they know someone (you through your AW etc making a call) are interested.

      But a Lateral you pay your own way. The good thing you have no commitment once there like a paid move ao you can apply for othwr laterals or promotion etc. On paid moves (usually ad a LT or giger or on am activation) You jave an 18 month commitment bwforw going somwwhere else. Or you might have to reimburse the GOV.

      Advice, if you are married or serious live in talk with them and go visit the place if your unfamiliar with the area. As other halfs have to be happy to.

    • Signal108M
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      Like Shooter commented earlier, discuss this with your significant other if you’re in a relationship. Plenty of BOP locations are in the middle of nowhere. Can be challenging to find nearby housing, job opportunity for significant other, any off-duty cultural activities etc. Some BOP places are in, or a reasonable drive to, medium to large metropolitan areas. On the other hand, some are surrounded by miles of nothingness.

      Zoom on this map.
      https://www.bop.gov/locations/map.jsp
      Last edited by Signal108M; 07-15-2020, 01:56 PM.

    • Florida_Man
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      Thank you guys. I appreciate it, I already got on with FCC Coleman but was wondering what the possibilities were of transferring in a few years to my wife’s home town. I’m happy here but she would be happier living near her family. Coming from TSA, we could transfer as much as we wanted to as long as we did one year at the location, apparently it is different with BOP and that’s fine. I am fortunate and grateful enough to be picked up by Coleman.

  • Received this email...... Just passing it forward for others that may not have received it.

    The Gilmer Federal Correctional Institution located in Glenville, WV will be hiring Correctional Officers, at the GL-0007-05/06 grade levels. If you are interested, go into your USAJOBS application (BOP-N-2020-0001) and change your #1 preference location choice to FCI Gilmer so you can be considered. We plan on requesting the GL-05 and GL-06 no later than July 27, 2020, so please make the appropriate changes to your USAJOBS application no later than July 24. 2020.

    If you have any questions, please contact the Human Resources Department at FCI Gilmer, email GIL/[email protected]bop.gov.

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      Last edited by Signal108M; 07-15-2020, 01:24 PM. Reason: Information arrived in email.

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      • Hello everyone, I'm new at this forum. I live in the west coast, I've applied for MDC Los Angeles. I'm waiting to be contacted for my interview. Can someone explain the CVA test. Any info. would be helpful. I heard if you don't pass the CVA test they don't allow you to move on to the interview.

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        • Showtime0811
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          Don’t pull a me and fail it. I now have to wait a year.

      • Originally posted by AlxC View Post
        Hello everyone, I'm new at this forum. I live in the west coast, I've applied for MDC Los Angeles. I'm waiting to be contacted for my interview. Can someone explain the CVA test. Any info. would be helpful. I heard if you don't pass the CVA test they don't allow you to move on to the interview.
        Scenarios involving a person or group of people exhibiting behavior not necessarily right/legal/ethical/moral. For each scenario you get X number of potential ways you might intervene. You pick the most likely way and also the least likely way you would respond to each scenario based on your personal code of values, ethics, and morals. Specific knowledge of BOP policy is not needed nor expected.

        If you’re invited to interview you take this written test first. I think the minimum score to pass is in the upper 60% range. If you don’t pass they say “thanks for your time, sorry, goodbye,” and you must wait one year before reapplying. If you pass the exam then you move straight to the panel interview.

        See more, starting on page 5:
        https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/3330.02.pdf
        Last edited by Signal108M; 07-15-2020, 06:04 PM.

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        • Thank you, for the info.

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          • I don't know why, they make you wait a whole year to retake it. I'm going to give it my best shot and hopefully I get a high enough score to pass. All 60 questions are based on scenarios. Is enough time allowed to finish or is it one of those test you need to answer and move onto the next one quickly.

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            • Showtime0811
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              I took it yesterday but I scored a 67%. You need a 70% to move on. Two questions away from moving on and now I have to wait a year. They give you 70 minutes, HR sits in the room to observe you. It was distracting with them walking in and out of the room and then others coming into the room but it is what it is now.

            • Showtime0811
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              Also..... Once you click next to go to the next question you can’t go back to check your answers

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