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  • Originally posted by JJCP0123 View Post
    Does anyone have guidance on negotiating your starting grade/step. I received a conditional for GL 6 due to my LE experience. I am currently a GS 6-1 but my pay is more than GL 6-1 for the BOP. I was told from a buddy that they would match my highest pay and line it up with the proper grade/step with the BOP. Wondering if there is any truth to that. Looking at the pay scale, looks like i should be coming in as a GL 6-3. And if that is the case, will I be a 7-4 after a year?

    Just passed my interview and have my physical and drug test scheduled.
    Generally your hit at GL whatever step 1 UNLESS you are crossing over from another federal position. A friend started as a GS 6 step 10 but he came over from a National Guard Technicial spot at a WS rate.

    Theres a lot of folks here talking about folks starting out at GL 7 yet I have never heard of it and it until recently taught lot of IF classes and when I asked our HR folks they were like that's never going to happen. My thoughts are if that is happening ing it's at outnof the way hard ro fill spots where they can not keep people. At my location BOP makes about 2 1/2 to 3 times what the state and local hails oay so somewhere like that your starting as a 5 more times than a 6.

    But ask all anyone can do is say No!

    Good Luck

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    • Hey hope everyone is doing well. Can anyone tell me what MCC New York is like? I just made that my 1st choice so I am curious to know what to expect if I get in. I did find articles saying it has infestations, so I am wondering if anything is being doing at all to fix that?

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      • in625shooter
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        The issue with MCC NY as well ad Brooklyn i(and a couple other BOP spots like Californis and etc) s they cant keep spots filled. This is due to the local LE agencies out paying BOP unlike most other places.

      • A300!
        A300! commented
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        But even then, keeping a facility clean and pest free is not the responsibilities of COs. Are you saying that the custodians/ janitors also get a higher paycheck from the local agencies as well?

    • I have read through some of the previous posts about joining SORT teams and I wanted to ask, what are the physical requirements? Push-ups? sit-ups? mile run?

      I understand that especially right teams are being activated for the riots, but but how often is a team activated? if you are off work or on leave can you be called in?

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      • in625shooter
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        Being I spent 10 years on sORT I'll give you the no BS assessment. Only USPs, FCCs and a couple stand alone joints have SORT everywhere had DCT. SORT is activated more than every team except Crisis Support. Fortunately they are bit many riots. The activations are usually for high risk escorts. And no standard BPT staff for the most part probably shouldn't take them. (haters gonna hate though) Some escorts arw small town trips many are cross country.

        SORT was also activated to supplement US Marshals and FEMA for several hurricanes where they are sworn in as Dep US Marshals.

        Tryouts can differ but they go off the Army PT test a d interviews. The 2 thing you have to pass is the run and getting up the rope on the O course. Team interview weeds most out. It's more about how much heart you have than anything else

        As far ad an MO spots expect to have to wait about 3 years min as MOs have to k ow everyone else's job as much as their own.

        If it's an institution and or national emergency you just forfeit your leave in most cases (they get if your having a baby or elder sick family etc but that's about it)

        You usually train 2 days a month and snipers have a 3rd day. Pluse any activations etc. And you get paid for training. You get roster adjusted for those days.

      • DOTfed20
        DOTfed20 commented
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        Thank you for the response.

        What is the difference between SORT and Disturbance control team? I get the impression they do the same thing, except SORT is armed, and DCT is not? I am still confused on the differences. Any guidance is appreciated.

    • Originally posted by JJCP0123 View Post
      Does anyone have guidance on negotiating your starting grade/step. I received a conditional for GL 6 due to my LE experience. I am currently a GS 6-1 but my pay is more than GL 6-1 for the BOP. I was told from a buddy that they would match my highest pay and line it up with the proper grade/step with the BOP. Wondering if there is any truth to that. Looking at the pay scale, looks like i should be coming in as a GL 6-3. And if that is the case, will I be a 7-4 after a year?
      Congratulations on your CO for BoP.
      From what you wrote, it appears that your GS-6 step 1 has a much higher locality than where you are going to work at as a GL-6 step 1. The GL pay levels are about 12-13% higher than their GS counterparts. For example, a GL-6 step 5 is equivalent to a GS-6 step 10.
      Locality pay is generally not considered when moving. If I was a GL-6 step 5 and transferred to a new work location (without promotion) from San Francisco ($61,722) to Fort Dodge, Iowa ($50,598) the $11,000 pay difference is not considered as its the same rate of pay after correcting the locality adjustment.
      Also, If you are moving between job series and to a different agency AND you were not subject to RIF or CTAP, there is no pay entitlement. Thus it is out of the goodness of their heart to "match" your pay. In fact, some agencies make agency transfer employees sign a legal document indicating that they are knowingly and willing accepting the pay grade level and step.

      Just my thoughts and opinions...

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    • Does anyone have guidance on what BOP is doing for staff in response to corona? masks? I am not sure how much can actually be done considering its a prison, but an information is appreciated.

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      • in625shooter
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        Despite what the blow hard Union os saying BOP did as good a job as they could. This whole Covid debacle caught everyone off guard. The places that hadnissies were lows which ge erally have open dorm type housing units where at Mediums and Highs inmates are 2 per cells seem to not had the issues.

      • dox1842
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        I am with shooter. I think we are doing good. Union complained that we weren't getting mask or required ppe so management provided masks to everyone. Now staff are coming into work and not wearing their masks and getting sick.

    • Hello all, I’m new to this forum. I received a conditional offer on May 26 for FCC Coleman after completing the interview, physical exam, fingerprints and drug test on May 21. How long usually takes to receive a firm offer after the conditional? Also, can you negotiate the Enter on duty date?

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      • has anyone worked for or have anything to say about the bureau of indian affairs correction officer position, and the system in general?

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        • DOTfed20
          DOTfed20 commented
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          besides the fact they are in remote locations.

        • in625shooter
          in625shooter commented
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          I have read frim simeone claiming to be therw they weren't covered by LEOSA but not sure since they are also under the GL scale Mifht check into that part. I was stationed in Montana and some of those locations wouldn't be bad. SD and some ithers probably do fwwl more like Mars..

        • DOTfed20
          DOTfed20 commented
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          It appears you may be correct, there is someone in Bia that said no LEOSA, and the HR lady stated that was the first time she heard that before.

          HR stated it is covered by primary law enforcement coverage, just no LEOSA. Not that you need it in most of those areas, and reservations.

      • Just got my final offer to FMC Devens. The hiring was very fast, took about 2 months. I had my locations set for San Diego and Terminal Island since this past September. I switched my location to Devens this past May, since I have moved to the area, and was referred a day later. Looking forward to the new career field. Thank you all for the informative post and responses!

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      • Hey everyone just recieved the OF-5 for FCI Miami. Does any one known how the low risk prisons work and are like?

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        • in625shooter
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          No disrespect ment but my experience At Lows you will not see a lot of inmate violence. It happens but nithing like a USP or even a Medium. You will have more staff drama and both inmate amd staff pettiness. Then theres the tough talking Master Jedi staff that never handled a bloody nose fist but tell you all about how they'd handle a USP inmate.

          Cons: Perriness

          Pros: Same pay less incidents than other institutions

        • Izzie2345
          Izzie2345 commented
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          Oh ok yea one of the Lt's is my neighbor so he kind of explained everything to me but I wanted to hear it from a correctional officer because you known how they like to sweeten the job a little so you dive in head first lol.

      • Yes a usp is just a different beast. Everyday theres always something!. Fci miami is a nice and easy homesteader from what i hear.

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        • Izzie2345
          Izzie2345 commented
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          Yea I was told I am extremely lucky to have even received an OF-5 from FCI miami because it is a highly covitited location. I am confident I can get this job with my experience I just hope I can start asap its hard making ends meet with a tsa salary.

      • FCI Miami is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it is a ridiculously easy place to work. Very little inmate violence and tons of pettiness and staff drama. On the other hand, it is a terrible place to learn how to perform your duties the correct way. The stress-level would be several times higher, but you would be better off starting out at a medium or a USP.

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        • Izzie2345
          Izzie2345 commented
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          I mean if offered I will take and maybe transfer to FDC in downtown Miami. But FCI miami is literally 15 minutes away from my house so its covenant for me. The only other offer I received is for bureau of indian affairs and I am really not trying to move to South Dakota so I guess i have to take what I got.

      • Is there is no way to view your OF-5 form?

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        • Rmodel1965
          Rmodel1965 commented
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          It just says are you interested yes or no. If so respond

      • I received a conditional from USP Atwater, what is the pre-employment waiver? is it like getting an interim clearance? Hr said I need to submit dispositions for some speeding tickets I received, and said they need it for the pre-employment waiver. they said court docs are what they need, but to get them I would need to go to a deep southern court in Texas, which cant happen right now due to my work situation? Any insight?

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        • DOTfed20
          DOTfed20 commented
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          BTW: The cool thing about Texas is you can pull up your driving record for your whole life on the DPS website, but they(BOP) didn't want that either

        • in625shooter
          in625shooter commented
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          Im not sure as in 20 years I've never heard that exact terminology And havent heard the word Interim since the Military. On your BG they just look for obvuous show stoppers to get you started. Your main BG wont be cleared until after you start wirkin. Usually after the 6 to 10 month mark.

          As for the tickets if its an obstacle to get the court i fo. Contact your HR persi and let them know. HR is probably wanting court records because the BG will have them to write up the BGI. Its probably more of a conveniencefor the BGI.. I'm sure with the Covid there are several issues with folks getting records so I wouldn't sweat it Theres usually a way around it. And not like you didn't tell them about it.

          A lot of stuff can be explained away so i wouldn't sweat it

          Good Luck

        • DOTfed20
          DOTfed20 commented
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          Thank you for the response, that's good to know. I feel like I always shoot my self in the foot, and should have kept a copy of the dismissal, but I am sure they will find it on their own.

      • Hello, I am a Florida state correctional officer for a year and a half and am looking to get hired on at FCC Coleman. When do they do certificate draws and what grades are they hiring at? In your experience, does the USAJOBS posting for this position require a cover letter (it says optional) or complex/long resume?

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        • Rmodel1965
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          No idea when they pull or at what grade. No cover letter required.

        • DOTfed20
          DOTfed20 commented
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          A few pages/posts back I saw someone mention that they heard a list for FCC Coleman would be pulled in July, but that is complete hearsay at this point. Try calling HR they usually try to give an estimate. Make sure its your first choice, second choice does nothing for you.

        • in625shooter
          in625shooter commented
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          Go ahead and apply today AND make sure you get rated ad Best Qualified (BQ) of you will not be referred If you are not rated as BQ tweak your resume and KSAs (articulate better but don't lie) untilnyou get Bq'd.

          Apply for both GL 5 and GL 6 but dont be surprised if you are broughtbon as a 5 as that is usually the way it works the kast 10 years or so

        • Florida_Man
          Florida_Man commented
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          They pulled the list in July, most of us will EOD within the next 3 weeks. They are constantly hiring

      • How long did it take from conditional offer to final offer?

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        • HilNaya
          HilNaya commented
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          It took me a month!

        • DOTfed20
          DOTfed20 commented
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          How long was it before you met with the investigator

        • HilNaya
          HilNaya commented
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          I just heard from investigator maybe 1 week after I got The bonafide offer! It was on the phone

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