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  • How does BOP's hiring work? I got an email telling me one of the facilities had vacancies for GS 05 and GS 06, wasn't any of the facilities I had selected originally. For reference the correctional facility is like 1000+ miles away from my current location.

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    • MrAce
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      West Virginia? Yeah I got that one too.. just ignore it unless you want to go out there. They must be desperate for people. Your first or second choice will contact you if they are hiring

    • Levithane
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      MrAce Yeah that was the location. Not gonna lie, there would have to be some serious incentives to make people who are 1000+ miles away move out there.

    • Rmodel1965
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      Wanna get in fast put a place like that as your choice. I moved 800+ miles away to get in.

  • I posted this under the jobs forum but I may have a better chance of advice in here. "Looking to see if anyone has any clue what happens after you BQ for a Food Service position in different Institutions. I am currently a GS-6 that has completed my year and been applying for Food Service spots. So far BQed for 2 and referred. Wanted to know if anyone has any advice or what I can expect to happen next." Thanks to anyone that has any input. I have talked to Food Service here at my facility but most were hired on as hacks from here so they never had interviews and were just hired on.

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    • Keyturner
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      Was the announcement you applied under open to All US Citizens or was it BOP employees only? If it was open to the public then you might have interview for the position. If it was in house then if they're interested in you they will try to vouch you out from people that know you at work.

      Do you have experience in food service work? I mostly saw food service as a hook up spot, unless you have experience in the field.

    • ThaTruth
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      Both actually. 1 was open to the public and other was open to all BOP employees nationally. I have 8 years as a GM of restaurant.

    • Rmodel1965
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      I was a 6 step 2 when I went to food service. I applied to every opening in the US. I ended up getting invited to interview for multiple positions that were open to the public. It was a great bump in pay. I pretended I didnt get it and just maxed my 401k

      If you apply to internal postings you probably wont have to interview

  • I was interviewed on November 19 for mcc Manhattan facility . I completed the entire process interview panel interview drug test medical . I received a tentative offer but have not heard or received a email yet . What is the next step ?

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    • JZ71LT
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      Have you completed the Eqip yet?

  • Yea I did eqip and the hearing test. Had it faxed over and emailed . I left voicemails to the human resource department but no answers .

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    • Knightwolf
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      after equip is usually the offer if everything checks out. you get a start date and within the first year its off to fletc

  • HR is probably trying to run a larger IF class. So they might be waiting for more candidates to get through the whole process and then send out your EOD.

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    • Nypd8339
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      So I’m guessing if I don’t here anything back is that a good thing ?

  • My question is if you are off duty somewhere and an active shooter or other violent crime is happening in front of you, do they expect you to just stay out of it or if you act, you do it as a private citizen? we live in a world where somebody off their rocker can pick up a gun and cause havock at any time. Im not the type to stand by and do nothing, at the same time dont wanna get raked over the coals for trying to do the right thing.
    I have as many names as there are winds, as many titles as there are ways to die. -Odin

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    • ChrisQuirolo
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      BOP or not, I'm going in.
      Also, even though LEOSA covers me federally to carry, I still maintain my States CCW/CPL permit.

    • Keyturner
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      You'll be acting as private citizen in that situation. Same as if you had a CCW.

  • The BOP has already said if you use your firearm off duty they will not back you. The BOP still claim that the BOP does not authorize staff to carry off duty and has no policy on off duty carry. The only policy the BOP has is on carrying to and from work. The BOP claims that leosa authorizes staff to carry off duty .It took a memo from the Attorney General when leosa was passed to get the BOP to say staff was covered under the law. I do not understand how the BOP thinks that they do not authorize staff to carry off duty as the Attorney General said we are covered under leosa and the Attorney General is over the DOJ and the BOP is a component of the DOJ. Now as far as saying they will not back staff who use a weapon off duty I do not know how well that will work for the BOP as there has only been two incidents that I know of since leosa took effect of staff using firearms off duty and as far as I know there has never been any court ruling about if the BOP has to back staff who use a fire arm off duty.

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    • Knightwolf
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      Lol yeah, that sounds about right...

    • Keyturner
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      The Attorney General just clarified that BOP staff are covered under LEOSA, which is a federal law. That does not mean the Bureau of Prisons authorizes its staff to carry off duty. Think of LEOSA as having a CCW pretty much.

  • Originally posted by bopstaff15 View Post
    The BOP has already said if you use your firearm off duty they will not back you. The BOP still claim that the BOP does not authorize staff to carry off duty and has no policy on off duty carry. The only policy the BOP has is on carrying to and from work. The BOP claims that leosa authorizes staff to carry off duty .It took a memo from the Attorney General when leosa was passed to get the BOP to say staff was covered under the law. I do not understand how the BOP thinks that they do not authorize staff to carry off duty as the Attorney General said we are covered under leosa and the Attorney General is over the DOJ and the BOP is a component of the DOJ. Now as far as saying they will not back staff who use a weapon off duty I do not know how well that will work for the BOP as there has only been two incidents that I know of since leosa took effect of staff using firearms off duty and as far as I know there has never been any court ruling about if the BOP has to back staff who use a fire arm off duty.
    BOPstaff15, respectfully. Not sure where your getting BOP says employees are not authorized to carry under LEOSA. It's not that negative. While there were some bumps in 2005 it wasn't just BOP. The issue was in 2005 the Director (Lappin who I had as a Warden at one time) and his staff tried to resist but due to policy (PS 5510.15) hat gave BOP Statutory Powera of arrest they (BOP) could not fight it. So they issued out seperate creditials that had LEO on them. The there was a disagreement between BOP and AFGE CPL33 (several versions have been floated so pick one( Anywhoo BOP required everyo e to turn the LEO marked creditials back. About that time the memo came out from Adhcroft the Attorney General at the time which is what you find on Sallyport along with about 10 pages of BOP memo psychobabble about if you cant purchase guns in your jurisdiction they (BOP) won't provide letter head (guess places like NY city and the lime a little harder to buy)

    As far as being covered in a shooting since BOP does not "require" one to carry off duty they shouldn't have to cover anyone. The exception is if it would involve a former inmate I'd suspect they wouldn't have a choice however a good shoot is a good shoot. Even agencies that require off duty carry and would legally cover the employee would bot cover if it's a bad shoot so not sure what the issue is with people complaining.

    LEOSA is a simple priviledge and the only problem is staff (both Admin and line type) insert their opinion or ego into it and that's they only thing that really muddies the waters. So I presume that's where you were going and then it's not BOP it's just one dumb*****

    Keyturner, BOP can not restrict staff from carrying under LEOSA because as you stated its Federal Law. The only way is to take away one of the 6 specifications which they can not unless Congress gets involved and changes.

    The only restriction on BOP staff is BOP (see above as they don't require off dirt carry) will not provide department letterhead etc that some jurisdictions require that have more restricted firearms purchase requirements the employee has to jump through whatever hoops required for Joe Civilian does to buy.
    Last edited by in625shooter; 12-11-2019, 07:12 AM.

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    • in625shooter I have heard exec staff say many times the BOP does not authorize off duty carry. When in training in Denver I have heard BOP legal staff state the BOP does not authorize off duty carry that leosa is what allows us to off duty carry that is the law and separate from the BOP and that the BOP does not authorize off duty carry but due to the law there is nothing the BOP can do to staff for carrying off duty. As far as the separate leosa id the BOP pushed back when the BOP was told we were covered under leosa all that was is a plot to keep staff from carrying off duty because each institution only received like 20 of the id's to hand out to staff . Luckily the union took care of that pretty quick as it was outside of leosa which did not state that you needed a separate id to carry concealed and at the time and leosa did not state that the id had to state you was a law enforcement officer at that time. Not until leosa was amended did the law state your id had to state law enforcement officer on it. I believe that was around 2013 when leosa was amended which states the id had to state the person was a law enforcement officer. I never stated that BOP staff are required to off duty carry or did I state BOP staff was not covered under leosa nor did I stated the BOP claims that staff are not covered by leosa.

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      • What is all this debate about? All LEOSA does it allow off duty Law Enforcement Officers to carry there personal firearm over State Lines so long as it’s concealed. It has nothing to do with your job or weather you can arrest someone off duty blah blah blah. What you do off duty is your own business.

        Most LEOs have a State Pistol permit too, Idk why you wouldn’t get one... I’ve had my State Permit since the second I turned 21. That clears up any issues, the State Permit allows you to OPEN CARRY which LEOSA does not (I don’t open carry outside my job).

        Also when it comes to what you’ll you do in “an active shooter situation?” Most States allow Citizens arrest for Felony’s in progress... so there ya go you are technically considered a cop if you detain them along with anyone else...


        I do not work for BOP but I don’t understand what the debate is about...
        Last edited by MrAce; 12-11-2019, 02:04 PM.

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        • Levithane
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          The debate is whether or not BOP employees would garner the same support from the agency, even though they are covered under LEOSA. From the outside looking (reading other posts) it sounds like BOP is against it, despite Federal Law covering BOP employees.

          I think the central question is that if you are an employee, and involved in a justified shooting is the agency going to support you? Also, will you be vilified in the event that you're a BOP employee and don't stop a significant crime from happening if you happen to be armed?

          The handgun license argument can be made, but it was indicated to me when I took the class that you are not obligated to intervene in the event of malicious activity. I.E armed assailant shows up in a gas station your'e at, you aren't obligated to intervene (as a private citizen). Now if the armed assailant is aiming their attention at you and threatening your life, its a different story.

      • Originally posted by bopstaff15 View Post
        in625shooter I have heard exec staff say many times the BOP does not authorize off duty carry. When in training in Denver I have heard BOP legal staff state the BOP does not authorize off duty carry that leosa is what allows us to off duty carry that is the law and separate from the BOP and that the BOP does not authorize off duty carry but due to the law there is nothing the BOP can do to staff for carrying off duty. As far as the separate leosa id the BOP pushed back when the BOP was told we were covered under leosa all that was is a plot to keep staff from carrying off duty because each institution only received like 20 of the id's to hand out to staff . Luckily the union took care of that pretty quick as it was outside of leosa which did not state that you needed a separate id to carry concealed and at the time and leosa did not state that the id had to state you was a law enforcement officer at that time. Not until leosa was amended did the law state your id had to state law enforcement officer on it. I believe that was around 2013 when leosa was amended which states the id had to state the person was a law enforcement officer. I never stated that BOP staff are required to off duty carry or did I state BOP staff was not covered under leosa nor did I stated the BOP claims that staff are not covered by leosa.
        I get it but just because they say it doesn't mean its correct. LEOSA is the law and a link is on Sallyport so they have no justification for even saying that. Lots of staff arw completely uneducated on it and it's been 15 years. Just try to educate them and show them the Attourney General Memo that has BOP, ATF Marshals and FBI directing the directors to implement it.

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        • Originally posted by MrAce View Post
          What is all this debate about? All LEOSA does it allow off duty Law Enforcement Officers to carry there personal firearm over State Lines so long as it’s concealed. It has nothing to do with your job or weather you can arrest someone off duty blah blah blah. What you do off duty is your own business.

          Most LEOs have a State Pistol permit too, Idk why you wouldn’t get one... I’ve had my State Permit since the second I turned 21. That clears up any issues, the State Permit allows you to OPEN CARRY which LEOSA does not (I don’t open carry outside my job).

          Also when it comes to what you’ll you do in “an active shooter situation?” Most States allow Citizens arrest for Felony’s in progress... so there ya go you are technically considered a cop if you detain them along with anyone else...


          I do not work for BOP but I don’t understand what the debate is about...
          It's not so much a debate its that a lot of Exec staff (and others) are either completely freaking dumb or arw personally aga iij nst LEOSA so they are of course going to throw up smoke screens to the masses. They get by with it because (and it to be a negative thingve nelly) Runors and hearsay seem to run the BOP. A lot of bad info put out by AWs or Wardens are treated as the gospel and masses run with I or twist it themselves. All of this of course could be displaced if people would simply READ the law, Program Statements and other policy themselves rather than take it as Word from the village idiots.

          My suggestion for those staff that have the exec staff is call the BOP Attorney at Glynco. Everytime I get my Lead firearms recertifiication they (the actual Attorney) gives a great class on LEOSA. He even talks about what firearms he likes to carry. They can correct a lit if supervisors are giving that much blatantly wrong info. But it shouldn't be anything more than a sporadic problem these days

          Stay safe and educate stupid when you see it

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          • There really should be no debate here. LEOSA authorizes BOP staff to carry off duty because they are considered law enforcement officers. BOP, as an agency, does not authorize off duty carry. But they have no say if you want to carry off duty under LEOSA.

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            • If you've worked for the BOP and seen some of the staff, you know why bop doesn't authorize off duty carry.

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              • LevelHeaded
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                Lol oh they’re not all that bad...

              • in625shooter
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                It's not that BOP as an agency doesn't allow off duty carry (some exec that said something wrong by law is ran with as BOP said when it was one village idiot)
                A couple exec staff that are idiots try and say it. Unions have proven them most time and time again. That's the problem with BOP they dont even know what the law or t HK eir own policy is. That's why the Union beats them in so many cases.

              • dox1842
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                "That's the problem with BOP they dont even know what the law or t HK eir own policy is."

                I read policy for about 5 minutes a day everyday and my co-workers are surprised at how well I know policy. We got SORT members that don't even know the deadly force policy.

            • Has anyone heard the rumor about COs getting automatic 8s, competing for 9s and LTs getting automatic 12s at stand alone USPs and Complexes? This rumor has been going around my joint for a little while now just wanted to see if it’s hit other sides of the country.

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              • ChrisQuirolo
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                I have heard this too, but I haven't come across anything in writing yet.
                But it's a good idea for staff retention!
                Last edited by ChrisQuirolo; 12-13-2019, 07:49 PM. Reason: edit

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