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  • Originally posted by rmart15 View Post
    I signed up for this thread alone.

    I'm looking at joining BoP. I have 13.5 years in the Air Force as a cop and initially applied back in January 2018 since I'm currently set to separate in January 2019 and was under the impression it's best to apply to federal jobs a year out. I didn't go too far in the application process, just to where I had to sign the OF-5. I contacted the HR department of the facility I was applying to and they told me I had applied much too soon but to reapply down the road. I explained my situation and she stated that with my background they'd love to have me and that they were expecting some vacancies due to several people retiring around the time I'd be separating from the military.

    About a month ago I once again contacted the HR department of the same facility just to confirm once more that they were expecting to have vacancies and the woman said they were and informed me to apply in September so my name would be at the top of the canidate list once they get the funding for hiring on Oct 1st. She also once again said I'd have no problem getting in due to my background.

    Now, reading through the recent portion of this thread, it looks like it's very tough to get hired by BoP right now due to numerous factors. While I understood this woman never promised me a job in writing, it did sound very promising each time I talked with her but now I'm worried that the job I was planning on may not be as available as I first thought.

    Anyone have any insight?

    Thanks.
    Best bet would be to apply for quite a few other agencies along with BOP and see how things go. There are many places better to be than BOP and a couple are hiring all the time.

    Best of luck to you.
    “Right now I'm having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.” - Steven Wright

    US Army MP (95B) 1992-1997
    DOJ Agent/ DHS Officer 1997 to Present

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    • in625shooter
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      I was similar with 13 years of active duty. I hired in at age 32 so i only had to do 20 years. Which equals 34% (1.7% per year for your first 20 then 1% for each year over 20) of my high 3 years (plus TSP and social security suppliment) and since I bought back my military I will retire at 20 years in BOP but 33 years of Federal service with 47% plus TSP and SSS.

      As far as making 6 figures in 5 years not likely. Yeas you could be at a place that makes a lot of OT but even then with being seniority based and starting as a 5,6 or 7 even with a high COLA a hard task. And to get the 6 figures as a GS your talking a maxed out 12 and very very few (with exception of Med or Pshyc DRs) will one get that many promotions or step increases.
      Last edited by in625shooter; 07-31-2018, 01:00 AM.

    • Exbpa340
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      If I were in his shoes I would take a job with BP where he would be non competitive to GS 12 and has premium pay. They are hurting for qualified applicants and he would be hitting 6 figures in about 5 years or so.

      Getting a covered position that has a premium pay (Leap, Auo or BPAPRA) will mean a high 3 most likely well into 6 figures.

      I personally would only take a job with BOP while other applications were pending but each person has their own preferences. It can be somewhat difficult to get the right job in the right location with the Feds.

    • Rmodel1965
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      I should make very close to 6 figures this year or maybe over that. But I got on the ws scale. My 4th year starts in Sept. But I also kill some OT. Got 30 hours this week.

    • Exbpa340
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      Rmodel...I would highly recommend that you try and get a covered position that earns LEAP, AUO, BPAPRA or COPRA. Those premium pays are considered basic pay for retirement purposes. Which means that TSP contribution and GOV TSP matching is based on base plus premium. Also, it is included in the high three. That’s why an SA will have a high three around 135k or 140k. A Deportation Officer will be around 125k or 130k.

  • Ok I got my official offer of employment which I September 16. How does uniforms ordering work? When will we be in full uniform? Should we start ordering it now?

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    • Rmodel1965
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      Lot of people have been having their cards compromised after ordering from ad. You could order ad uniforms from Sally's cop shop

    • Co0311
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      Since IF is short, order your uniforms as soon as possible. The setup changed recently, so you want to make sure what you need is in stock.

    • Ty808
      Ty808 commented
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      I tried to order some stuff thru Meyer but I wouldn’t let me. Says I need a government email. But since I haven’t started yet I don’t have one. How to go about this? Should I email HR?

    • LevelHeaded
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      Government email??? I ordered uniforms from BOP Meyers 2 weeks ago. I didn’t register with any government email.

  • Rmodel1965 why they have the cards compromise?

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    • 17Jeep
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      The third party credit card transactions company got hacked. They got me luckily my bank was able to stop the transactions that were being charged to me. Started ordering from Unitec and haven’t had no problems.

  • I know I’m getting ahead of myself but I’m curious. After staying with the BOP for a few years where can one go after? Can you just lateral to any agency? And how does lateral movement work?

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    • You can apply for other agencies... wouldn't necessarily be a transfer, would still have to compete
      Former Police Officer (Injured LOD)
      USAF VETERAN 2004-2012
      "The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day."-LTC Grossman
      Emergency Services Dispatcher, APG MD

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      • Originally posted by Ty808 View Post
        I know I’m getting ahead of myself but I’m curious. After staying with the BOP for a few years where can one go after? Can you just lateral to any agency? And how does lateral movement work?
        The advantages would be...
        You would be earning covered years of service for FERS enhanced retirement (20 years @ 50 or 25 years @ any age).
        You appointment would be career conditional for the first 3 years and then career after that.


        There are no laterals to other agencies (typically). Your experience as a GL 7 CO for BOP would be better than you currently have (many BOP veterans have gone on to bigger and better things) but it is truly the blue collar federal law enforcement agency.

        You would need to apply for any job opening through an open announcement. There could be scenarios where the announcement is only open to current federal employees or some announcements could be limited to department employees (for example DOJ). Under those circumstances it would be beneficial to be a government or certain department employee.
        “Right now I'm having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.” - Steven Wright

        US Army MP (95B) 1992-1997
        DOJ Agent/ DHS Officer 1997 to Present

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        • Co0311
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          +1 to all of that. Lots of government agencies ask for your SF-50 (prior federal service) when applying, so that implies preference. And the current BOP openings are a good example of the different hiring groups. Because of the BOP's recent restructuring, many of their jobs are only open to displaced or current fed employees. Just search USAJobs for BOP jobs, unclick the 'open to public' filter and see how many more vacancies appear.

      • Duty belt question: Which ones are good and high quality? And what do you recommend to get for it?

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        • Rmodel1965
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          First place I worked only gave keepers and a chain. Place I'm at now will give you all your duty belt stuff and shouldn't need to buy anything

        • Camelbak
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          My institution only issued us two keepers, radio pouch, and OC holder (this was about two years ago). To be honest, it was all crap. The radio pouch and OC holder fell apart in less than a year. Therefore, I went a bought decent quality gear. I use a Klik belt, they are a bit expensive, but it has been worth the money.

      • does anyone work at an FDC or MDC and how is it?

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        • Camelbak
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          I work at a MCC (same thing really). It is not bad at all. The majority of inmates are only here a few weeks or months (think of it has a federal jail). You get male and female inmates of all security levels. I’ve been here almost two years now and never had to use force. In my experience, it has been easygoing. Yeah, things still happen (fights, suicides, assaults, and etc.) However, they are few and far between. I’m going to a different agency in a few weeks. However, my time here hasn’t been bad at all. There are some staff that spent their whole careers here.
          Last edited by Camelbak; 08-09-2018, 10:11 PM.

      • Is anybody else hearing anything from any facilities hiring right now?

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        • Originally posted by myman12 View Post
          Is anybody else hearing anything from any facilities hiring right now?
          Your beab bet right now is AUSP Thomson. They are beefing up numbers to activate the SMU from Lewisburg. There will be several openings and they just picked up some from the street and will have several more openings off the street as well as promotional transfers (AKA paid moves for those already in BOP)

          Until there is a change at main Justice the other institutuons hiring will continue to be hit and mis. Yes there will be some but it's going to be tight for the foreseeable future except Thompson as far as mass numbers.

          Good luck
          Last edited by in625shooter; 08-27-2018, 09:51 AM.

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          • Originally posted by in625shooter View Post

            Your beab bet right now is AUSP Thomson. They are beefing up numbers to activate the SMU from Lewisburg. There will be several openings and they just picked up some from the street and will have several more openings off the street as well as promotional transfers (AKA paid moves for those already in BOP)

            Until there is a change at main Justice the other institutuons hiring will continue to be hit and mis. Yes there will be some but it's going to be tight for the foreseeable future except Thompson as far as mass numbers.

            Good luck
            Ok what's the SMU from Lewisburg Pa?

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            • Originally posted by myman12 View Post

              Ok what's the SMU from Lewisburg Pa?
              Lewisburg was one of the original USP's from the 3 prisons act which created BOP as an organization. (Lewisberg, Atlanta and Leavenorth federal prison .Alcatraz was transitioned a few months/years later) Lewisberg was a normal USP until around 2005-6 when they designated Lewisber as the Special Management Unit .SMUs are for inmates that can't play well get designated to SMU at Lewisburg. They had a few housing units at various USPs and a couple FCI's that were SMUs with a range or two but I know Oakdale and Talledega don't have SMU ranges anymore. Lewisberg that is the primary mission.

              SMUs took the place of USP Marion when they downgradwd it in 2006. About the time they changed wording of "Control UnitU to SMU. It's sort of like the ADX but not as nice.

              The "plan" is to make Thomson the new SMU which is why they call it AUSP Administrative U.S. Penitentiary. And then downgrade Lewisberg to probably a Medium.

              A lot of older USPs are downgraded to meduims in 2005 when a lot of new USPs came on line. Lompoc, Atlanta, Marion, Lewisberg kept the USP title for historical reasons but have Medium inmates.

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              • Not sure if this is normal or not. I applied on USAJOBS, got referred a couple months ago. Never got a call and didn't get selected. USAJOBS went from the green "Referred" to gray, "Not Hired". I've been applying elsewhere and scrolled down and saw that my application with BOP is now back in the green again. Does this mean they are looking to hire and are doing another round? I figured I'd have to wait until the next announcement.

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                • Originally posted by 2ndXthecharm View Post
                  Not sure if this is normal or not. I applied on USAJOBS, got referred a couple months ago. Never got a call and didn't get selected. USAJOBS went from the green "Referred" to gray, "Not Hired". I've been applying elsewhere and scrolled down and saw that my application with BOP is now back in the green again. Does this mean they are looking to hire and are doing another round? I figured I'd have to wait until the next announcement.

                  On an open continuous announcement and referral it does not mean 100% you will get an interview. You have to be rated BQ to get referred and your then referred to the institutuon (just means they pulled a list for interviews)

                  They usually randomly pick 3 names to go through the process for every open position. So say the referral list has 20 people on it but they are hiring 3 positions that means they pick 9 names. That leaves 11 that won't get called.

                  After they make the selection basically as an open continued announcement you just stay on it and will get referred again.

                  My suggestion is give the institutuon HR office a courtesy call and politely touch base with them. That sometimes helps put a name in their ear unless you know someone there that can give you some help.

                  Warning......once you make contact DO NOT call every week. Only call about once every 3-4 weeks if you are referred.


                  So your app is still active until the announcement closes or they cancel it etc.

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                  • Hello to all,

                    This is my first time posting and I recently received my EOD last week and if it helps anyone else my process took about a month and half from the time of OF-5 submission to EOD.

                    Of course I have quite a few questions though as I prepare to relocate for this position. I’ve read through most of this forum and don’t believe my questions will cause any direct repetition of an answer already given.

                    First, with finances being the most pressing matter for me at the moment due to relocation and taking a pay cut, what are the chances of OT going to be like for me after IF. I will be working at an FCC and understand that the OT opportunities vary by facility but if someone could give a general idea for what a rookie could expect that would be appreciated. (I also understand that until I complete ICT2 I will be limited in what I can work) and if anyone has the knowledge what’s the most anyone has heard or seen a rookie make in their first year?

                    Second, beyond the initial paperwork, SOPs, tours, rules, and other guidelines, what else typically gets covered in two weeks of IF? This is moreso me trying to imagine how much time actually gets spent teaching the ins/outs of the job beyond what can be presented on a powerpoint.

                    Lastly, is there standard equipment(outside of uniform shirt, pants, and boots) that gets issued agency-wide for new hires as I would like to get a jump on purchasing things I’ll need such as duty belt, cuff key, etc. anything anyone else can think of from experience?

                    Thanks in advance.

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                    • 17Jeep
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                      I started in February however didn’t get my first ot until April. I then went to Glynco in may and and didn’t get any ot until July. Since July the ot has started to pick up but still very hit or miss. As far as equipment I was issued a vest oc holder and radio holder so I bought duty belt cuff case and a new radio holder.

                    • Ty808
                      Ty808 commented
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                      Hey man congrats on the job. I’m in the same boat as you with relocation and just beginning my BOP career. What facility are you going to?

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