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  • [QUOTE=in625shooter;3632084]11Bravo, don't take this the wrong way but if I had a dollar for all the times I have heard talk like your statements of "getting in the door to go to somewhere else, or I never had the desire to work in a prison because I a above such menial things etc etc" I would have a nice car paid for.

    And if I had a dollar for every time Shooter gave me great advice in the last 2 months that I've been here, I would be able to fill my son's big red Crayola crayon piggy bank. lol. J/M. Shooter, I really hope that I can find a mentor like you to take me under their wing once I start in a few short weeks. Here's hopin'.

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    • Hello all, I have an interview tomorrow and I wondering what the test is about? Any pointers and or insight would be great!

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      • Originally posted by qwertyuiop123 View Post
        "My perception of BOP is pretty much me sitting somewhere, twiddling my thumbs and keeping over watch of 100s of inmates and doing shake downs."

        It depends on where you work. Shooter can give better overall advise than me on the BOP joints but I can say at USP Victimville that is not the case. There are days that it is boring and there are days that its not. USP Victimville is in Cali and in Cali you have heavy race politics (more in State prison) and some I/M's give it the ole college try to buck on the Cali yard politics but...they get a lil iron put in their diet or get that good ole pumpkin head.

        The violence seems to go in waves due to differ cars cleaning house and or beefing w/ other cars. Back in the day Victimville acquired the nickname "gladiator school" due to staff running to at least 2-3+ stabbings a day and fighting galore. Its not as bad as it used to be several years ago but it still pops off and the officers at the transfer center in OK messes w/ the I/M's going to Victimville by telling them to make sure they have a good life insurance policy hahahaha. I can't tell you the multiple incident thats happened in the last few months and the clients dirty deeds due to confidentiality and good common sense but I can tell you that you would not be playing w/ your thumbs everyday hahahaha. Good luck and I wish you the best. I used to work on the streets as well.
        I'd say it's about the same here at FCC Pollock something is always going on at the Pen and lwhile the FCI is relatively quiet every now again a BA goes off and it sucks we can't share our war stories online, all I can say if your at a USP get ready to run.....

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        • qwertyuiop123 Are y'all on a complex roster or dedicated to the USP and FCI's? I ask because I'm sick and annual this qtr and I bounce back and forth from the USP to the FCI weekly or sometimes daily which is kinda nice the USP I/M's are a different breed of I/M and its nice to get a break from them....
          Last edited by dod299; 04-08-2015, 01:52 PM.

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          • Shooter, thank you for your honest response. I like it straight to the point, no BS. It was exactly what I was looking for and needed to hear. The way it feels lately as a police officer is that we are all mostly reactive than proactive. All the things you suggest I do, I have done previously and can and will do them again if hired. A lot of the Marshals I work with are former BOP and tell me that it's a great starting point and not a bad job. I guess it's the fear of the unknown and doing something outside of my comfort zone that I have been in for six years that has me pondering all of this. The more I read and talk to others the more I am assured that it is the right move not for just me, but my family also. I can do a lot worse; beats working in a fast food joint. I am sure it will be like any other thing. It's what you make it. No one likes everything about there job, that's a fact. Looking forward to hearing back about the position. Thanks for the input.
            The pain you endured yesterday and today makes for a great tomorrow.

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            • Originally posted by 11BravoPopo View Post
              Shooter, thank you for your honest response. I like it straight to the point, no BS. It was exactly what I was looking for and needed to hear. The way it feels lately as a police officer is that we are all mostly reactive than proactive. All the things you suggest I do, I have done previously and can and will do them again if hired. A lot of the Marshals I work with are former BOP and tell me that it's a great starting point and not a bad job. I guess it's the fear of the unknown and doing something outside of my comfort zone that I have been in for six years that has me pondering all of this. The more I read and talk to others the more I am assured that it is the right move not for just me, but my family also. I can do a lot worse; beats working in a fast food joint. I am sure it will be like any other thing. It's what you make it. No one likes everything about there job, that's a fact. Looking forward to hearing back about the position. Thanks for the input.
              Having worked as a LEO I will say the biggest pluses off the top of my head is you are not standing out in the snow, sleet, rain cold, heat humidity etc on traffic accidents for hours on end.

              When you respond to a fight etc you don't have to listen to 4 stories to decide who is lying to know who is going to jail, they are inmates they all go to SHU, SIS can figure it out.

              Once you get some seniority you will really like getting the shift and job you want, pretty stable etc.

              Every time you come to work something will make you laugh, actually 3 things, something an inmate does, something another staff member does and something the administration does.

              And with some of the staff drama and inability to moderate your minimal amount of screwing off is covered just show up for work on time and your good.

              You generally don't have to deal with the public other than in the visiting room, front entrance and an outside escort trip.

              The bad sometimes it's hard to get fresh air and just walk around depending on how your institution is set up/your post.

              You will see some staff that have such antiquated thought process you will 1 be surprised there were anyone like that (like finding a lost tribe) you will think you are in a museum. The things they come up with WOW (fortunately they are few and far between)

              You will be looked at like a second class citizen by several other LEO's (and the public), a lot forget we are on the same team and LEO's as well, BOP just has a different mission (personally if I was a Sheriff or in charge it would be mandatory for EVERYONE before they worked as a LEO, Marshal whatever they worked a minimum of 2-3 years in a prison, it builds character and if someone thinks they are too good to work in a prison they have no business trying to put people in one. Besides it builds character JMHO)

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              • what do you mean by good and bad assignments?

                what kinds of assignment or posts do prisons have?........sorry for the rookie question, but all i know i what i have seen on TV

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                • Originally posted by dangerr101 View Post
                  what do you mean by good and bad assignments?

                  what kinds of assignment or posts do prisons have?........sorry for the rookie question, but all i know i what i have seen on TV
                  First forget EVERYTHING you see on TV. While some folks like housing units over SHU or vis versa and some like compound over housing units. There are some bad assignments like dry cell, suicide watch etc etc. So there are good and bad assignments bot per the persons likes and dislikes as well as no matter what your mentality is a bad assignment.

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                  • Suicide watch on M/W, yea I was not a happy camper that day...

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                    • the units i put in for were FCI.....do FCI have the above mentioned assignments? or are the assignments and posts different from USP?

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                      • I like being in units. Shu is ok. Not a fan of visiting room. Compound is good too.

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                        • Originally posted by dangerr101 View Post
                          the units i put in for were FCI.....do FCI have the above mentioned assignments? or are the assignments and posts different from USP?
                          They can be, have you worked the PEN at your joint yet?

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                          • Originally posted by dangerr101 View Post
                            the units i put in for were FCI.....do FCI have the above mentioned assignments? or are the assignments and posts different from USP?
                            USP's have a second housing unit Officers on E/W and weekends FCI's do not. USP's sometimes have a few more compounds than FCI's. USP's have a few other posts and items but I won't get in to any more here on an open forum.

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                            • Originally posted by dod299 View Post
                              qwertyuiop123 Are y'all on a complex roster or dedicated to the USP and FCI's? I ask because I'm sick and annual this qtr and I bounce back and forth from the USP to the FCI weekly or sometimes daily which is kinda nice the USP I/M's are a different breed of I/M and its nice to get a break from them....


                              Yes we have a complex roster & that OT is good!! Its slowed down some w/ new hires. We've had a few decent size classes come thru. Right now we have about 20 or so in IF

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                              • Originally posted by 11BravoPopo View Post
                                How was it for you making the switch to corrections from patrol? Also, anyone have any insight into Butner?

                                it's definitely a different beast. On the streets you can proudly carry your ego w/ you on every call you go on & every encounter you make but not so IMHO working in lock up. On the street you can use your hands to gain compliance or place someone on the hood that gives you lip but you can't use that as your 1st option inside. Pretty much 90% of how difficult your shift will be depends on your mouthpiece. Shooter said some good stuff as well.

                                To be honest....you can verbally disrespect people on the streets ( warranted or not) in the heat of things & not really worry about anything serious but In jail/prison respect is everything. If you say certain words or cross an obvious line of disrespect you gota expect some type of response (verbal or physical) esp at a USP. I won't go into details but a certain staff member allegedly called an I/M a disrespectful word & the I/M gave a physical response. It happens sometimes.

                                The I/M's know my policy...as long as you want to be treated like a man I will treat you like a man....if you don't want to be treated like a man...we can do that. I'm at a USP so I don't sweat all the small stuff & go crazy over petty things. If you have nothing to take away you have no leverage. It's a give & take. I'll be honest...at 1st you may feel like a sellout or "soft" because you realize that you have to rely on your mouth & brain 90% of the time (if you want a long career) and not use your street skills to "set the tone" hahahahaha. Some cops are able to adapt and some are not.

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