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  • Originally posted by in625shooter View Post

    USP's have the worst inmates so you will see a lot more things there than stand alone FCI's no matter if your n California or West Virginia.
    So true that's why I'm glad I work at a complex we go back and forth so it gives you a break from both types of inmates.

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    • Does anyone know how to figure COLA for a location not considered "rest of US?" I'm not certain if the GS pay table online already includes the percentage locality pay for that location in the pay already. If it doesn't and you have to add the locality pay to the base pay, I'm guessing its a mathematical formula?

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      • Thank you in625shooter-- I got your response to my question above on a separate forum.

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        • Rest Of US is 14% so add that with your base salary. When they offer you a job in BOP It has COLA included. There is a page in opm that tells you the states and COLA for all of them..

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          • Originally posted by LEO2010 View Post
            Rest Of US is 14% so add that with your base salary. When they offer you a job in BOP It has COLA included. There is a page in opm that tells you the states and COLA for all of them..
            However don't confuse this to think you get 14% on top of what the scale says for LEO Salary on OPM's website. Whats listed is what everything is. What is further broke down when you hired in is say you hire in as a GL 5 step 1 at 39,000 ish (rest of US Salary) they will show you your actually base salary will be 32,00 and then a COLA of say 7,000 which totals the 39,000

            If you follow me. So forget all the fuzzy math, find out what area the specific institution is on for Salary and thats pretty much it other than the retention etc bonus of places like Atwater, Victorville etc.

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            • Originally posted by in625shooter View Post
              However don't confuse this to think you get 14% on top of what the scale says for LEO Salary on OPM's website. Whats listed is what everything is. What is further broke down when you hired in is say you hire in as a GL 5 step 1 at 39,000 ish (rest of US Salary) they will show you your actually base salary will be 32,00 and then a COLA of say 7,000 which totals the 39,000

              If you follow me. So forget all the fuzzy math, find out what area the specific institution is on for Salary and thats pretty much it other than the retention etc bonus of places like Atwater, Victorville etc.
              Yes! That does make the most sense. I did sign on with an incentive and HR indicated it was payable in one lump sum at the start of my employment. Thanks all for your input.

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              • By the way, I had meant for my first post to be a "thank you" to all those here who offer up their knowledge and wisdom in all areas related to the hiring process, etc. I don't think it would have gone so smoothly for me if I hadn't found this site when I did. After all the months of waiting, it helped to come on here for encouragement to keep patient until a worthwhile answer came along. Thanks again everyone and I'm excited to soon be a part of the FLEO family.

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                • Originally posted by in625shooter View Post
                  However don't confuse this to think you get 14% on top of what the scale says for LEO Salary on OPM's website. Whats listed is what everything is. What is further broke down when you hired in is say you hire in as a GL 5 step 1 at 39,000 ish (rest of US Salary) they will show you your actually base salary will be 32,00 and then a COLA of say 7,000 which totals the 39,000

                  If you follow me. So forget all the fuzzy math, find out what area the specific institution is on for Salary and thats pretty much it other than the retention etc bonus of places like Atwater, Victorville etc.
                  When will you be told what rank/position you will be starting as? Does it come the first day or the first week when they have you start signing away?

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                  • Originally posted by DeltaScout View Post
                    When will you be told what rank/position you will be starting as? Does it come the first day or the first week when they have you start signing away?
                    You will know before you start. HR will figure that all in however the way recent trends have been with few exceptions almost everyone whether they have a year of experience or not as an Officer you will start out at the GL 5 step 1 position. There are exceptions to that as in if you are rolling in from another civilian Federal agency (say the VA or TSA) you will start out at the same grade but a higher step to be equitable to your previous salary. But not a lot of folks are in that category.

                    Also if you hire in as a GL 5 step 1 at your year mark you go to a GL 6 step 2 and at your 2 year mark you go to a GL 7 step 3. After I believe step 4 you get step increases every 3 years unless you earn a Quality Step Increase (QSI) with an Outstanding yearly evaluation.

                    If you hire in as a GL 6 step 1 at the year mark you will be a GL 7 step 2 and then at your 2 year mark you will be a GL 7 step 3 (so you and some one that starts as a GL 5 on the same day will be at the same point at the end of year 2)

                    To get your GL 8 Senior Officer Specialist it is a competitive promotion.
                    Last edited by in625shooter; 04-06-2015, 01:10 PM.

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                    • How's it going everyone im new to this if i applied before the close date of Mar 2015 and still haven't got a "referred" or any update should I reapply to the new opening or is it that long of a process?

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                      • Originally posted by ARmp2522! View Post
                        How's it going everyone im new to this if i applied before the close date of Mar 2015 and still haven't got a "referred" or any update should I reapply to the new opening or is it that long of a process?
                        It could or couldn't but you MUST be rated Best Qualified or you won't be on any list. You need to reapply under the new announcement ASAP. What happens is they purge the applicants of the old announcement when it closes. However if the institution you applied for did not request any names for a list then you will quietly drop off the radar. You want to be on the new announcement because it could be a case the institution you want might be pulling a list sometime and could just wait to do it from the new announcement. I have seen it go either way. So reapply that way if they are or are not going byt the old list your still in there.

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                        • Hey everyone. I am new to this thread. I just applied to BOP Butner, NC and Springfield, MO. I have been a cop for five years and I am currently on the us marshals fugitive task force. I love what I am currently doing, but it has always been my goal to be a fed, preferably BP or the Marshals. I am a 31 year-old 10-point vet with a degree. My reason for joining the BOP is to get my foot into the fed LE door and stop my clock. From there, I do plan on going to another agency. Since I have been a cop, I have grown accustomed to the freedom that comes with the job as well as the fast paced environment that comes with working in an urban environment. My concern comes with trying to adapt to the change of pace and duties. All though I am quite sure that I can adapt, I have never worked in a prison, nor had the desire, so I do not know what to expect job wise. My perception of BOP is pretty much me sitting somewhere, twiddling my thumbs and keeping over watch of 100s of inmates and doing shake downs. If my perception is incorrect please correct it. I have researched the job and read some of the forums, but I am looking to get more knowledge and insight (pros and cons). I look at this as me paying my dues to get me to where I desire to be. I am thinking long-term: finances, retirement, benefits, family and stability. Any insight and opinions are greatly welcomed.
                          The pain you endured yesterday and today makes for a great tomorrow.

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                          • Originally posted by 11BravoPopo View Post
                            Hey everyone. I am new to this thread. I just applied to BOP Butner, NC and Springfield, MO. I have been a cop for five years and I am currently on the us marshals fugitive task force. I love what I am currently doing, but it has always been my goal to be a fed, preferably BP or the Marshals. I am a 31 year-old 10-point vet with a degree. My reason for joining the BOP is to get my foot into the fed LE door and stop my clock. From there, I do plan on going to another agency. Since I have been a cop, I have grown accustomed to the freedom that comes with the job as well as the fast paced environment that comes with working in an urban environment. My concern comes with trying to adapt to the change of pace and duties. All though I am quite sure that I can adapt, I have never worked in a prison, nor had the desire, so I do not know what to expect job wise. My perception of BOP is pretty much me sitting somewhere, twiddling my thumbs and keeping over watch of 100s of inmates and doing shake downs. If my perception is incorrect please correct it. I have researched the job and read some of the forums, but I am looking to get more knowledge and insight (pros and cons). I look at this as me paying my dues to get me to where I desire to be. I am thinking long-term: finances, retirement, benefits, family and stability. Any insight and opinions are greatly welcomed.

                            "My perception of BOP is pretty much me sitting somewhere, twiddling my thumbs and keeping over watch of 100s of inmates and doing shake downs."

                            It depends on where you work. Shooter can give better overall advise than me on the BOP joints but I can say at USP Victimville that is not the case. There are days that it is boring and there are days that its not. USP Victimville is in Cali and in Cali you have heavy race politics (more in State prison) and some I/M's give it the ole college try to buck on the Cali yard politics but...they get a lil iron put in their diet or get that good ole pumpkin head.

                            The violence seems to go in waves due to differ cars cleaning house and or beefing w/ other cars. Back in the day Victimville acquired the nickname "gladiator school" due to staff running to at least 2-3+ stabbings a day and fighting galore. Its not as bad as it used to be several years ago but it still pops off and the officers at the transfer center in OK messes w/ the I/M's going to Victimville by telling them to make sure they have a good life insurance policy hahahaha. I can't tell you the multiple incident thats happened in the last few months and the clients dirty deeds due to confidentiality and good common sense but I can tell you that you would not be playing w/ your thumbs everyday hahahaha. Good luck and I wish you the best. I used to work on the streets as well.

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                            • How was it for you making the switch to corrections from patrol? Also, anyone have any insight into Butner?
                              The pain you endured yesterday and today makes for a great tomorrow.

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                              • Originally posted by 11BravoPopo View Post
                                Hey everyone. I am new to this thread. I just applied to BOP Butner, NC and Springfield, MO. I have been a cop for five years and I am currently on the us marshals fugitive task force. I love what I am currently doing, but it has always been my goal to be a fed, preferably BP or the Marshals. I am a 31 year-old 10-point vet with a degree. My reason for joining the BOP is to get my foot into the fed LE door and stop my clock. From there, I do plan on going to another agency. Since I have been a cop, I have grown accustomed to the freedom that comes with the job as well as the fast paced environment that comes with working in an urban environment. My concern comes with trying to adapt to the change of pace and duties. All though I am quite sure that I can adapt, I have never worked in a prison, nor had the desire, so I do not know what to expect job wise. My perception of BOP is pretty much me sitting somewhere, twiddling my thumbs and keeping over watch of 100s of inmates and doing shake downs. If my perception is incorrect please correct it. I have researched the job and read some of the forums, but I am looking to get more knowledge and insight (pros and cons). I look at this as me paying my dues to get me to where I desire to be. I am thinking long-term: finances, retirement, benefits, family and stability. Any insight and opinions are greatly welcomed.
                                Originally posted by 11BravoPopo View Post
                                How was it for you making the switch to corrections from patrol? Also, anyone have any insight into Butner?

                                11Bravo, don't take this the wrong way but if I had a dollar for all the times I have heard talk like your statements of "getting in the door to go to somewhere else, or I never had the desire to work in a prison because I a above such menial things etc etc" I would have a nice car paid for.

                                First, most of us in BOP did not set out to make a career or think we would work in a prison (the few exception was if our father and grand father was BOP) Most of us were police officers or military and simply migrated to it. for myself I was military worked for 2 municipal pd's and the Marshal Service as a contract guard. I came over simply because the pay was about twice starting than any LE job. I won't say it has been the most satisfying job at times but it isn't that bad either. I have 15 years in and at the 9 year mark with my steps, COLA's and getting my 8 step 10 I doubled my base. As an 8 Officer I made more than GS 13 Captains with O/T with min headach. I am also lucky in as a GS 11 LT I am at a unique place that LT's get as much O/T as the Officers.


                                As far as the adaption it' is only easy if you do 3 things and 3 things only.

                                #1 Keep your mouth shut period. BOP does a few things maybe better than where you came from and BOP does a whole lot of things worse. NO one cares so don't think you have a better idea, that great idea was already mentioned by another more experienced rookie and they were told to shut up and go color 10 years ago. so that is what that is. Also do not boast about where you came from, or Marshals task anything, NOBODY CARES or WANTS TO HEAR IT. They don't care how or what you did they only care that you will have their back when stuff goes south. You will have to earn fellow staff members trust period. It's ok to answer if someone asks but come in boasting about how much all that and a bag of chips you are you will get labeled real quick. And my experience the ones that boast about it can't back it up in real time. And a lot of staff have a big time military or LE record from before they started BOP, some are real heroes from prior and BOP service but you will never hear them talk about it.

                                #2 is sort of related to #1 but leave your ego at the door. Again no one cares and no matter how GREAT or BAD you think you are there are 50 staff members and a whole housing unit full of inmates that are a lot BADDER and have proven it. Be that quiet humble professional, it goes farther for you.

                                #3 Take your lumps. You will be a rookie, you are going to get mandatory, you are going to work weekends, holidays and the crappiest posts ever. Your time will come to EARN the better assignments. everything is seniority and it is a great thing you will appreciate when you get 10-12-15 years in. Don't try and scam out of your responsibilities. It's alright to ask or have something once in a while to get that weekend off or out of that bad assignment for a day but don't think you are above anything, or make it a habit or trying to scam.


                                As far as twiddling your thumbs that depends where your at. I have been at a USP my whole time and there is not much time for thumb twiddling however when you have a lot of time seeing what happens at USP's you will wish you were at a Low FCI and were twiddling your thumbs trust me. Medium and Low FCI's not a whole lot happens.

                                There are 3 main things you need to accomplish everyday in BOP and 3 things only. 1 make sure all the inmates stay inside the fence.
                                2, Make sure all the staff go home safe. Even if you despise one (and there will be one or two that you cant stand and they cant stand you) there are a couple I can't stand and short of an inmate touching them have nothing coming but if they call for help I will be the first one through the door as they will for me. We just don't hang out.
                                3 Don't worry about things you can't change, and just deal with what you have to when it happens.

                                Institutions, Butner is a complex and has a FMC (medical center) so there will be ample O/T, being a complex your seniority will climb faster than a lot of stand alone's. As far as the environment, you never hear much out of it and hats about as much as I will say on Butner.

                                Springfield is a stand alone medical center. I have been there for med trips as well as a couple schools. everyone loves it there, low cost of living, lots of O/T the down side is it is an old school homesteader joint so your seniority will be slow moving and making your GL 8 there takes well over 10 years. They are busy due to they have a lot of administrative inmates as well as mental so in a way it is like a USP but isn't.

                                Bottom line BOP is a different kind of LE mission. If you want a progressive LE agency save yourself some time, stay away from all the Federal Agencies. Whether Marshals. ICE, BP FBI DEA none of them are progressive. Purely reactionary. If progressive LE is what you want You would be better off trying to go to any number of Municipal or State Police Agencies


                                Good Luck

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