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    So heres the sceneario I am right now going through the process to become a NYC correction officer for the 2nd time . The first time i failed my drug test was because at the time i hung around alot of people that smoked weed but i never did myself. Since then I have stayed away from my friends that smoke weed atleast when they smoke anyway. So I figure i try it a second time everything is going smooth i pass my drug test and then I get to the oral Psyc he ask me if i ever done any drugs I tell him no he sees from my application that I applied for the correction officer exam before. So he asks what happened why didnt I follow through so I tell him I failed my drug test and he says to me I thought you never took any drugs and I told him that I never did and explained to him the situation. So the next day i get a letter in the mail saying ive been DQ'ed.My uncle is a deputy warden do you think he might have any pull to get me out of this mess or should i just appeal and move on. Somebody please give me some good info I really want to be a C.O. and I am ****ed that this Dr. Failed me.

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    why did u lie? That was the first question I was asked on my psych, the best answer is an honest one. Ur chances are looking pretty slim dude

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    • #3
      I didnt lie i was honest with him the whole time I never used any drugs. But the question here is do you think my uncle might be able to pull some strings be it that he is a deputy warden at rikers island

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      • #4
        Maybe you should call your unk, and let him know you failed a drug test. Then let him know you lied to psych. Ask him if he'll pull some strings.

        Here in Pennsylvania, our Super's nephew (total idiot) got hired with a super low test score. This idiot got fired before he made it through our 1 year training period. Somehow this idiot then got hired over at SCI Camp Hill.

        So go pull your strings. Just don't get any of us hurt in the process!!

        I guess miracles do happen
        Last edited by PADOC CO1; 10-10-2008, 12:02 PM.

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        • #5
          good luck

          I hope things work out for you.
          Last edited by NYboldest; 10-10-2008, 12:50 PM. Reason: no

          Integrity in a officer means the settled disposition, the resolve and determination,
          the established habit "of doing right where there is no one to make you do it but yourself".... You are who you are when no one is looking

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          • #6
            Are you guys reading my post correctly I never did any Drugs period. I didnt lie to the psyc Dr. I told him the truth about everything.I dont know about your Supers nephew but I scored a 90 on my test and i am very serious about this job. And as far as pulling some strings i spoke to him all ready but I wasnt clear on what kind of powers a Deputy Warden actually has. Why would i want a fellow officer to get hurt I Im pretty sure me being 6 " 5 280lbs who has boxed before and played football will be able to care of myself and any fellow officer that i may work with.

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            • #7
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              If thats the case...its unfortunate for you, because very rarely does someone test positive for THC in their urine off of contact alone, did u try to appeal. It looks like at this point your uncle is your only hope, but if u want it really bad u should try to appeal it.
              p.s. theres always a chance these forums are being watched, so u should keep something like that family business.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                Are you guys reading my post correctly I never did any Drugs period. I didnt lie to the psyc Dr. I told him the truth .

                I think everyone read your post correctly.........to be brutally honest with you========they AND THE PSYC DR just plain don't believe you.


                Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                I dont know about your Supers nephew but I scored a 90 on my test and i am very serious about this job. And as far as pulling some strings i spoke to him all ready but I wasnt clear on what kind of powers a Deputy Warden actually has.
                This is most likely in reference to what we in Corrections have seen many, many times===========where an incomptetent idiot who has no business in the field has used a "hook" to bypass the normal hiring process and taken the place of some deserving recruit.

                Ok you spoke to your uncle------------WHAT DID HE SAY.........I'll wager that he told you to try again and be totally truthfull at all levels of the process.

                Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                Why would i want a fellow officer to get hurt I Im pretty sure me being 6 " 5 280lbs who has boxed before and played football will be able to care of myself and any fellow officer that i may work with.

                Nobody said you WANTED to get someone hurt...............going back to by previous answer........the incompetent idiot who uses a "hook" many times needed that hook because they couldn't make the grade as a CO naturally ------doesn't do the job they were hired for-----and gets themselves or coworkers hurt or in trouble.

                6'5 280 means absolutely nothing......I have seen officers your size and bigger turn to jelly when the fecal matter hit the rotary wind macine in a prison fight. And many 5'7" 175 lbs men and women do just fine


                Friend...............as thxbklyn replied-------------it takes a heck of a lot of secondary contact with mj smoke to produce a positive THC urine........YOU had to have had a heck of a contact high........................

                So lets recap:
                #1 The psyc dr thinks you are not being truthful. Until you are able to convice him your chances are somewhere between slim and none.
                #2 The experienced folks here on the internet forum don't really think you are being truthful.
                #3 You are thinking of using a "hook" to get around the hiring process, which in the long run would tick off anyone who had to make the whole process work for them

                Wait a year..........get your self together................re apply ..........disclose TRUTHFULLY everything that has happened with your other applications at the start of your new application------------hope the BI and psyc believe you this time......................forget your uncle exists..................................

                You might have a better shot at that point.
                Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS


                (F*** Off Cuz Ur Stupid)

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                • #9
                  I want to thank all you gentlemen for your honest answers. I joined this forum to get helpfull information from people who are already in the business. Not to be questioned on weather or not you do or dont believe that I was using drugs. Furthere more I am very competent to handle the duties of a correction officer. Somebody who is incompetent would have never been able to score anywhere near a 90 percent on the correction exam. And the last time i checked you still had to complete rigorous basic training and self defense courses just like any other applicant who has to complete the academy. I am not here to bash anyone but Iowa you dont know me from a hole in the wall and point blank is that im not them officers that you have seen turn into jelly I do believe that I would be trained the same exact way as those 5"7 175 lb men and women. The reason why I posted a thread was to find out how much power a deputy warden posses not to be ridiculed or called incompetent obviously a 90 percent is nowhere near incompetent .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                    So heres the sceneario I am right now going through the process to become a NYC correction officer for the 2nd time . The first time i failed my drug test was because at the time i hung around alot of people that smoked weed but i never did myself. Since then I have stayed away from my friends that smoke weed atleast when they smoke anyway. So I figure i try it a second time everything is going smooth i pass my drug test and then I get to the oral Psyc he ask me if i ever done any drugs I tell him no he sees from my application that I applied for the correction officer exam before. So he asks what happened why didnt I follow through so I tell him I failed my drug test and he says to me I thought you never took any drugs and I told him that I never did and explained to him the situation. So the next day i get a letter in the mail saying ive been DQ'ed.My uncle is a deputy warden do you think he might have any pull to get me out of this mess or should i just appeal and move on. Somebody please give me some good info I really want to be a C.O. and I am ****ed that this Dr. Failed me.
                    Why do you want to be a CO so bad? CO are NYS peace officers. You cannot hang out with felons and criminals and slime who break the law and that use and abuse illegal drugs. What happens if one or your loser friends gets locked up on rikers and they will, you might be tempted to bring them contraband. The doc did the right thing by DQing you. You failed your drug test not because you were around drugs because you used drugs and it had to be recent. Leave LE careers to those that uphold the law and hang around company that does also. You track record is shot with any LE process because your lies and drug abuse history and DQ's will show up everytime. I say stay with your current job. If I were your uncle I would not but my career and good name on the line to get you a hook job postition. If you do not earn LE job in life on your own merit then you donot deserve to be LE
                    Last edited by NYSJAILER2008; 10-10-2008, 04:39 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                      I want to thank all you gentlemen for your honest answers. I joined this forum to get helpfull information from people who are already in the business. Not to be questioned on weather or not you do or dont believe that I was using drugs. Furthere more I am very competent to handle the duties of a correction officer. Somebody who is incompetent would have never been able to score anywhere near a 90 percent on the correction exam. And the last time i checked you still had to complete rigorous basic training and self defense courses just like any other applicant who has to complete the academy. I am not here to bash anyone but Iowa you dont know me from a hole in the wall and point blank is that im not them officers that you have seen turn into jelly I do believe that I would be trained the same exact way as those 5"7 175 lb men and women. The reason why I posted a thread was to find out how much power a deputy warden posses not to be ridiculed or called incompetent obviously a 90 percent is nowhere near incompetent .
                      You got answers from several people who are in the business. I could care less if you want to use my advice.

                      Re read my posting ......I never called YOU incompetent and yea I don't know you......................I simply gave you advice based on the information you posted and my experience.

                      My experience includes working in the Corrections/Law Enforcement field for the last 32 years...........and being an active shift supervisor in a maximum security prison for the last 11 yrs. I have been involved in the interviewing process, hiring process, training and line supervisor for a prison that holds 1200 maximum security inmates. In other words===I have walked the walk and talked the talk. Probably since before you were born.

                      Yes an person can score 90 on a test and still be a lousey officer. Seen it many times.........I can even recall a few people I interviewed and recommended for hiring that turned out to be turds after I though they would be EXCELLENT staff.
                      I know a staff member who has a masters degree (obviously a very intelligent person who has been able to take tests for many many years) who doesn't have the common sense to be able to pour p i z z out of a boot.

                      I have also seen big burley he-men turn to jelly........................and since I don't know you, I have no idea where you would stand when it all comes down............my point was that size means nothing.....nothing at all

                      Now to get down to the nitty gritty

                      Understand the fact that some people are not going to give you the answers you want.................they are going to give you answers that they believe are true.. If your feelings get hurt by a total stranger on an internet forum telling you that they don't believe you.....................what are you going to do when a convicted murderer or rapist tells you to get off his range............you need a thicker skin.

                      I'll answer your question about the deputy warden======it depends on the system, and in some places even the instituiton. A deputy warden might, just might get you the hook to get into the job................................but his protection doesn't carry on to the ranges. He can not protect you from yourself. A person who is hooked into a job is usually not trusted by his co-workers. That can be fatal (a career ender) for someone who works in our field because you have to trust your partner when it hits the fan.

                      Your partner just might not cover your rear during an investigation because they resent the fact that you didn't follow the rules when you got hired.

                      In my system----------------I would take the deputy wardens wishes into account during an interview. Depending on how strongly I feel about the applicant and his/her interview I may or may not do what the deputy wants. Of course the deputy or the warden could over rule me..........it has happened in the past....and will in the future. Oh by the way that hasn't always worked out the best either................we have had some real dolts come on board due to interference from above..........and some pretty good officers too...............................it happens.

                      But it wouldn't matter too much because in your case--------------they would never make the interview because the BI wouldn't clear due to what someone thought was deception.


                      Good luck
                      Last edited by Iowa #1603; 10-10-2008, 04:53 PM.
                      Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                      My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS


                      (F*** Off Cuz Ur Stupid)

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                      • #12
                        Thank You NYS Jailer for your reply Why do I want to be a correction officer so bad because for one it is a great career 2 I have a very strong intrest in law enforcement and 3 its a very interesting job its what i need I liked to be challenged I hate living a routine lifestyle and working a regular boring job. Just because my friends choose to throw away there life doesnt mean that I am willing to do the same. To be honest with you I am very different from alot of the people I hang out with but at the same time I am from the inner city so its not like I grew up with people who had dreams of being Drs Lawyers or even productive citizens of society. Most of them are childhood friends but that doesnt mean I would ever let them jeoperdize me or my future career or my freedom buy bringing in anytype of contraband for them. Let me ask you a question did you start to hang out with people that uphold the law simply because you are now doing the same? The Answer to that is probably yes which could very well be the outcome for myself if i were to get into the corrections department. You cant judge a book by its cover but you can judge a book by whats written in between the pages.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                          Thank You NYS Jailer for your reply Why do I want to be a correction officer so bad because for one it is a great career 2 I have a very strong intrest in law enforcement and 3 its a very interesting job its what i need I liked to be challenged I hate living a routine lifestyle and working a regular boring job. Just because my friends choose to throw away there life doesnt mean that I am willing to do the same. To be honest with you I am very different from alot of the people I hang out with but at the same time I am from the inner city so its not like I grew up with people who had dreams of being Drs Lawyers or even productive citizens of society. Most of them are childhood friends but that doesnt mean I would ever let them jeoperdize me or my future career or my freedom buy bringing in anytype of contraband for them. Let me ask you a question did you start to hang out with people that uphold the law simply because you are now doing the same? The Answer to that is probably yes which could very well be the outcome for myself if i were to get into the corrections department. You cant judge a book by its cover but you can judge a book by whats written in between the pages.
                          Now this all my be true because I grew up in the (HOOD) LOL harlem,bronx,BK....and ran with the wrong crowd at some time in my youth. But I grew up needed to take care of my self and family and just like you wanted a demanding rewarding carreer in LE that everyone could be proud of. So If all that you say is true then I would love to have you as a fellow Bro in Blue. But the agency that you are appying for might not feel the same way. If you are true to yourself and know what you really want go with the appeal, and good luck to you.

                          Your friendly nieghborhood CO
                          Last edited by NYSJAILER2008; 10-10-2008, 04:49 PM.
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                          FIRM, FAIR AND CONSISTENT


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                          • #14
                            I might be wrong but your uncle does not have pull outside the department to get you hired after being disqualified twice unless he is very,very good friends with Gov.Patterson.The psych is not from the department of correction.they are psyches working for the city but are not affiliated with any city agency.You can appeal but that will take a LONG time but you have been disqualified twice and that does not work in your favor.I know of one person that failed a urine test because his girlfriend was a heavy pot smoker and smoked around him all the time so it is possible to fail that way because i know for a fact he did not smoke.Good luck to you.
                            P/M me for a patch trade.

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                            • #15
                              Lier

                              Originally posted by Wanna Be A CO View Post
                              I want to thank all you gentlemen for your honest answers. I joined this forum to get helpfull information from people who are already in the business. Not to be questioned on weather or not you do or dont believe that I was using drugs. Furthere more I am very competent to handle the duties of a correction officer. Somebody who is incompetent would have never been able to score anywhere near a 90 percent on the correction exam. And the last time i checked you still had to complete rigorous basic training and self defense courses just like any other applicant who has to complete the academy. I am not here to bash anyone but Iowa you dont know me from a hole in the wall and point blank is that im not them officers that you have seen turn into jelly I do believe that I would be trained the same exact way as those 5"7 175 lb men and women. The reason why I posted a thread was to find out how much power a deputy warden posses not to be ridiculed or called incompetent obviously a 90 percent is nowhere near incompetent .
                              Man, short and sweet, i don't know you, but i believed you lied, you were definitely doing drugs, and you got caught,

                              You don't belong on the job, end of story...

                              Probably would be selling drugs to the prisoners, stay off the job.....
                              Last edited by inxs996; 10-11-2008, 01:53 PM.
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