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  • 1426
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    Originally posted by JR45 View Post
    Look, if this is the career path you want don't let me or anyone else discourage you from it. I made my comments based on my own personal experiences. Maybe I'm a little cynical after what I've seen go on in my Institution. Best of luck to you know mater what.
    Thank you for posting this..

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  • sgt809
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    First, I am glad you enjoyed my article...second, I am glad Jr45 made the comments he did. JR45 represents some officers who have indeed had bad experiences with female officers, adn you WILL run into this. If you are strong enough to stand up to this, you'll be fine. Most people who dont want woman working in corrections aren't forward enough to state their opinion like JR, but I have to respect his forwardness and ability to wish you luck no matter what.

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  • JR45
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    Look, if this is the career path you want don't let me or anyone else discourage you from it. I made my comments based on my own personal experiences. Maybe I'm a little cynical after what I've seen go on in my Institution. Best of luck to you know mater what.
    Last edited by JR45; 09-10-2008, 10:33 PM. Reason: grammar

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by Protect-N-Serve View Post
    I call bs JR45. I know plenty of females that I'd gladly fight alongside and do our job with. If a woman can hold her own, then good for her. But this isn't a solo field, we do things with partners. We either survive it together or go down together, there is no middle ground unless people are cowards.
    I have worked with good and bad female staff as well as good and bad male staff---------In about the same numbers over the years. My immediate supervisor is a female.

    I started out in a time when women just didn't work inside a male penitentiary. My institution had 2 Female Correctional Officers------
    1 worked towers
    1 worked Master Control
    PERIOD

    The officer who worked towers ended up filing suit
    http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/467415

    She later became the personnel officer at our facility and ultimately a PR bigwig at one of the fortune 500 companies in the area. Her husband retired as a Capt at our facility.

    The other officer never wanted to work anywhere else and retired as a Control Center Officer.

    Today 20-30% of our workforce is female. There are two jobs at my facility that are "male only" posts. Only because the main function of one job involves strip searching inmates into/out of an area, and the second job involves sometimes being the sole transportation officer also meaning strip searching.

    With those two exceptions--------------all officers do the exact same job & in Iowa that includes conducting shower operations in lock up units.
    Yep we have been sued and basically won the privacy suits ! We had to install "privacy shields" that are from 2' to 4 ' high on the shower door.

    Of the females I have worked with that have also worked the female institution----------they would never go back to working with women inmates. Hated it-----transfered out fast. Almost all the MALE staff that transfered out of the female institution agree

    Short story
    In 1998 during one of the first code red emergencies that I handled as a supervisor the squad was called to the dinning hall during mainline for a "fight"
    The "fight" turned out to be two lifers attacking and assaulting two of the officers working the meal. The 5'9 285 lbs 48 yr old male officer was knocked unconscious and was at the bottom of a pile of inmates. the 5'6 125 lbs 24 yr old female officer took a shot to the chin-----------then shook it off and took the inmate to the floor.

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  • 1426
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    Originally posted by PS3527 View Post
    sgt809 - great article, thanks
    I agree, GREAT article

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  • 1426
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    [QUOTE=landrierose;1404233]

    I perfer to work with male inmates. Women are a needer bunch. They cry to much and grip too much. Men aren't as emotional.

    QUOTE]

    I COMPLETELY agree !! I worked both, and prefer the men... for the same reason. I tell the ones who don't like women in authority, they dont have to like me being an authority figure...... but they do have to respect my authority.

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  • landrierose
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    Originally posted by PS3527 View Post
    I've completed the process, but turned down the Sept 2 academy because the offer was only for Susanville CA (hoping for a Southern CA offer).

    1) Do any of you have advice for a future woman co?
    a) advice for the up coming academy ( if correct, click the link below)?
    and/or
    b) advice for working with men or women inmates?

    2) For all of those who are waiting for the next academy, I believe this link will help. If you cannot access this link, I've recorded the following dates .

    http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Employee_Reso..._Schedule.html
    My advice stick to your guns. Start out tough and then you can loosen up. I think being a women in correction is easier than a man. Inmates don't try to prove themselves as much. They see you as a sisterly or motherly figure. You will have your problems with inmates who don't like Female authority.

    I perfer to work with male inmates. Women are a needer bunch. They cry to much and grip too much. Men aren't as emotional.

    Just be strong and stick to your ways. Be firm and fair and you will be [email protected]!
    Last edited by landrierose; 09-10-2008, 02:44 PM. Reason: messed up

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  • PS3527
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    If JR45's opinion discourages me, then I should think about another career path.
    However, JR45 is one of thousands from top to the bottom of the food chain who has the same or even worst mindset. As a female obviosly, this is not a foreign encounter.

    sgt809 - great article, thanks

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  • PS3527
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    Originally posted by JR45 View Post
    Stick to a female facility. That way you wont get somebody hurt. I know I'll catch grief from the females but they have know business in male facility. If something kicks off, all you you could do to help is call on the radio. You won't work the RHU you will work in the control center and wonder why everyone resents you.
    JR45, I appreciate your honesty. I assume that it must be hard for the female c/o's who have you as a partner, because obviously you've predetermined 1 of 3 things: 1) the job is not going to get done effectively, 2) the both of you are going down on that shift or 3) you have to work harder to make up her so-called inability to perform the needed task with efficiency that she was trained for. As you know, our perceptions are influenced by past experiences... from childhood to career experiences.... thus concluding that some female (officer) burned you in the past.

    Now remember, there’s a possibility that I'm wrong, just as well there’s a possibility that you are wrong. However, in our minds we are absolute and entitled to our opinion. So again I appreciate your opinion.
    Last edited by PS3527; 09-10-2008, 01:05 PM.

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  • EMYBLACK
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    Originally posted by JR45 View Post
    I knew I would catch grief from a few but I bet your co-workers dont feel the way you think they do Because they can get in trouble for saying you don't belong. Sorry, just the way things are.
    Well it doesn't really matter what they think or you think, women have been, do and will continue to work in male correctional facitilities whether you like it or not and be effective in their jobs for many decades. Men continue to work in female facilities also, its the way it is.

    PS3527 I wish you the best of luck and don't let comments like this discourage you, you put in for what you want to work and where you want to work.

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  • Protect-N-Serve
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    I call bs JR45. I know plenty of females that I'd gladly fight alongside and do our job with. If a woman can hold her own, then good for her. But this isn't a solo field, we do things with partners. We either survive it together or go down together, there is no middle ground unless people are cowards.

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  • JR45
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    I'm Done......

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  • 1426
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    Originally posted by JR45 View Post
    I knew I would catch grief from a few but I bet your co-workers dont feel the way you think they do Because they can get in trouble for saying you don't belong. Sorry, just the way things are.
    Sorry... I'm done and not going to get into a match with you... you can continue. I won't...

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  • JR45
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    I knew I would catch grief from a few but I bet your co-workers dont feel the way you think they do Because they can get in trouble for saying you don't belong. Sorry, just the way things are.

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  • 1426
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    Originally posted by JR45 View Post
    Stick to a female facility. That way you wont get somebody hurt. I know I'll catch grief from the females but they have know business in male facility. If something kicks off, all you you could do to help is call on the radio. You won't work the RHU you will work in the control center and wonder why everyone resents you.
    It is people like you that get people hurt. We all go through the same training, EGOS make problems... BIG EGO's, are even more a problem. We had and have a few people (with ego's) and most of the issues they are involved with... Are because of what they say and how they say it to the inmates. But the difference is.. I am professional and don't let my opinion effect my job. I treat everyone the same. So even though that CO deserved to get thier butt kicked... Because THEY couldnt keep thier unprofessional mouth shut, we all get put in danger having to fight...anyway..We have men and women, old and yung, fat and skinny, white and black and everything in between all them...who should not have this job, mentally and/or physically!

    As for advice. Let what the idiots say, (staff and inmates) go thru one ear and out the other. Yo need to deal with what they say, but don't let it bother you and DONT let it show if it does. Treat everyone with respect. But also... stand strong and be consistant on what you say and do. One thing all staff and inmates know. I need my job. I worked hard to get my job... and NO ONE will take it from me. I am not there to make friends ... inmate OR staff. I have friends. I won't go tell on someone, but If asked. I won't lie either. If an inmate asks me something (work related) and I don't know the answer. I won't say I will find out, if I do not intend on finding out.

    FYI, I have worked at the state prison level and the county jail level and worked with both men and women for the past 18 years.

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