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    I feel frustrated. I was arresting a DV suspect who was very high. Well all of a sudden the guy just flips out. To be honest I just didn't see it coming and the techniques I was using just weren't effective. Things just happened very fast, to the point were I dont even remember exactly when things went bad. An assisting officer had to help me escort which was embarrassing. To be honest this was the first time someone has really resisted. Next time I will do better, but i have to say it was a reality check. I was also second guessing myself.

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    First... Never drop your guard down on a Domestic Violence call. They typically involve alcohol and drugs... not to mention emotions that lead many to kill.

    You need to KNOW your Use of Force Policy... that will determine what you can and cannot do.

    It does not matter whether they are in cuffs or not. We've had Officers shot by cuffed suspects and other suspects that have jumped over multiple fences. In my opinion, their is no difference between a dangerous criminal with /without cuffs.

    Personally... I let people decide how they want to be treated, then act accordingly. If someone wants to struggle on the way to the car, take them to ground and let them taste gravel for a few seconds. Use wristlocks to your advantage. They hurt without cuffs and are worse when you bend a wrist against the steel cuff. Also.. utilize a hobble restraint. Let them know who is in control from the second you make contact, to the second you push them into a cell.
    Yes I'm a LEO... but I do no care enough to go through the trouble of changing the screen name.... sorry

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    • #3
      Next time I will do better, but i have to say it was a reality check. I was also second guessing myself.
      There you go... cherry popped and yes, next time you will do better.
      Second guessing yourself is fine as long as you keep it in the context of learning what you did or did not do and what you will do differently next time.
      Don't beat yourself up over it and carry on.

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      • #4
        All of the above, but don't feel bad because you needed an assist from another cop. If you go thinking that you can do all things (especially use of force) on your own, you're going to get shot or badly hurt. We all make mistakes and I'm sure even the crazy tactical guys with 20 years on still look at every use of force and look at what could have been done better.

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        • #5
          Live and learn.

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          • #6
            We had an occupied suspicious auto with two people in it. I pull up and call in the location, throw the spot light on it and the driver immediately jumps out of the car. I have enough distance to ask for his id when I told him to get back in the car. He says "no man I want to sit on the curb" I told him again with a louder tone get back in the car.....he says officer I just want to sit on the curb...I said OK....

            After we check cleared these two my FTO looks at me and says never ever do that again...you're the POLICE you are in control of that situation you dictate how the stop goes.

            I felt really bad the rest of the night and told him I was upset and he said really?? I forgot it the minute after I told you....he said I know you'll never do that again...and I said....YOU'RE RIGHT THAT NEVER HAPPENED AGAIN

            Looking back I'm glad it happened when the guy wasn't much of a threat so I learned not to do that again.

            Forget it...police makes mistakes...even veteran police officers...move on and learn!

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            • #7
              thanks for the encouragement guys, i really have been beating myself up a lot. I do not know what has been happening all of a sudden I have just been stressing so much the job hasn't been fun because there is so much anxiety about doing my best and then it seems to back fire.

              oh well hopefully i will do better!

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              • #8
                What happens with these situations is that we all can fall victim to complacency.
                We deal with domestics all the time and we arrest the guy/gal and while he/she might give you some 'tude, they generally go along and give you little if any trouble.
                This happens on all our domestics.
                Until they don't happen on one domestic.
                That's when we get hurt or killed.
                The same thing happens with alarm drops.
                You answer tons of these alarm drops. Even the ones where the clerk accidentally hits the hold up or panic button.
                They're never the real deal.
                Until it is the real deal.
                Here's the rub.....
                You can never make the presumption that it's not the real thing.
                Every domestic, (Every arrest for that matter.) even if he/she is the nicest person in the world, even if it's someone you know, you are arresting a potential killer.
                Let me say that you did a fine job officer. DO NOT second guess yourself. DO NOT feel bad that you needed help.
                Learn from your experience and appreciate the fact that you do not do this job alone.

                Be safe!

                Rev

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                • #9
                  We've all had use of force scenarios taht didn't go as we would have liked. Learn and move on.
                  Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

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                  • #10
                    what I have learned on domestics is if they even resist a bit pepper or taze there ***, every domestic I have been to so far has been drugs or booze...and when somebody is on that crap they don't give a **** who they fight

                    but check what way the wind is blowing with the oc, I think last time i got as much on my face as the bad guy, lol
                    "What the problem is?"

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                    • #11
                      Just remember you need to control the situation at all times, they're going to try and see what they can get away with. What I teach my trainees is...ask...tell...make...you ask them to do something, you tell them to do something, then you make them do something.

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                      • #12
                        It actually sounds more like you expected the amount of force or type of technique to work in real life like it did in the academy. The truth is alot of the stuff used and effective on normal people just does not have the same effect on a determined or high opponent. Sure his wrist may hurt, his leg may sting, and on and on, but if he is hacked off he will keep fighting in hopes that he may get one in too or gain the advantage. That is why they teach you do whatever techinque you do as hard as possible. If you bring on a joint lock or pain compliane technique too slowly they can adjust to the pain and it will not work. You could probably do the same things even with the same eventual level of force, just brought on in a different manner/speed and have alot better outcome.

                        As far as needing the assist, that is what were here for. Sure you could have probably have won in the end one on one, but you can't very well have it out with every one you meet and still show up to work the next day. I have never lost an encounter yet, but when I have had to straight up fight guys alone, I have had to take time off for injuries a few times and it really sucks. But hands break and such when you are fighting for you life at the drop of a hat.

                        Stay safe and don't worry too much you will have plenty of time to correct any mistakes and the most important thing is that you made it home, and did not get fired, so you must have done acceptably.

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                        • #13
                          There were two reasons I left city work for highway patrol:

                          1. Better retirement

                          2. Domestic violence calls

                          Not in that order, either. I hate DV calls with a passion, and don't miss them at all. They are dangerous, energy-sapping, and 90% of them are STUPID. I applaud you officers who can respond to those day after day without going off on somebody.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by WKT View Post
                            There were two reasons I left city work for highway patrol:

                            1. Better retirement

                            2. Domestic violence calls

                            Not in that order, either. I hate DV calls with a passion, and don't miss them at all. They are dangerous, energy-sapping, and 90% of them are STUPID. I applaud you officers who can respond to those day after day without going off on somebody.
                            DV calls are horrible, but that's my job and yes the arguments are over the dumbest things you can think of.

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                            • #15
                              i start each situation like that with a VERY stern look and demeanor. you just never know. as the situation unfolds, you usually can begin to judge if you can calm down or turn it up a notch.

                              i live by the moto in my signature...
                              "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
                              "Treat everyone like a million bucks..But always have a plan to kill them"

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