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  • Yankee_1
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    Your department should have a Taser specific General Order and a use of force contuinum that should state where the use of the taser is allowed. We use it as level two which is before hands on. Whenever force is used you need to be able to articulate it in your written report. So check your G.O.'s and write it up just like you explained include everything his aggression your fear for your partners saftey ect.

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  • Blizz
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    For UOF purposes, we essentially treat the Taser on the same level as OC. Sounds like a good UOF to me.

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  • The State
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    you are at a DOMESTIC....you are in control of the situation and have made verbal commands....some idiot is not listening to your commands......some idiot runs away from you....taser deployed.

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  • LPD003
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    Yes! And Wyndham Earle. Just by your post, you'd still be good using it. By them being in some sort of argument, you know they're not exactly happy with each other. You know they both have a history of violence. I don't know how they swear over there (no offense) but by him saying "**** HIM!" and then running towards the house, I can articulate that it generally doesn't mean he's literally going to "**** him." (Hopefully) Even if he is going to "**** him," it's pry not going to be a willing recipient. Regardless, I say, "Thems is fightin' words" and he's not going in there for a tea party. Whether you're thinking about your partner and/OR the suspect, you're most certainly justified in making him feel some voltage.

    I think that by saying that and running towards your partner and the dude he was just arguing with consists of a 'threat of violence of such severity that force is necessary'. If you didn't use force to stop him, the probability of someone getting more injured by the fight (or sexual assault ) than the use of the taser is great. (PS, watch the steps)

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  • Wyndham Earle
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    Your SOPs are very different to ours in the UK. We have to show that there was 'violence or threat of violence of such severity that force is necessary' and can NOT use Taser as an aid merely for compliance. As ever though of course, all impact factors to be considered, so as long as you can justify it...

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  • KenW.
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    Sounds like an aggressive action to me... TASER TASER TASER!

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  • 11b101abn
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    On a side note: Never let you partner out of your sight on a call like that.

    On any call for that matter....


    To the Q: My policy has me lighting him up while issuing verbal commands to stop...blah blah blah.....

    Our Taser is same level as OC.

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  • specialized26
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    Light him up. Your partner is inside with the other half. This guys is clearly not listening to you and is probably going to start something with either your partner or the other dude. Put it this way if I was inside and you DIDN'T deploy it or at least grab him and put him on the ground, we would have words after I do it.

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  • dontknowwhy
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    I would say taser's good. Drunk male, just in a domestic, running into a house with known (kitchen knives) and unknown (other knives, guns, etc?) weapons? Plus my partner's in there with the male's drunk brother? If I was inside, you had better zap him or go hands on ASAP, otherwise we are going to have problems (I've has people barge in on me talking with suspects/ victims and take a swing and it hasn't been pretty).

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  • irish21
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    Originally posted by GrayPatriot View Post
    There are still a few unknown variables but with a bit of assuming on my part no! What crime has been committed? Obstructing?!?! You order him not to enter his own residence (assuming he lives with his brother) and tase him because he ignores you.

    Also, remember injuries from falls! You say he runs past you so he is in full flight and cannot brace himself so his face/head will take the full effect of his body in motion... He loses some teeth, fractures his nose, and now has "traumatic brain injury" (A very broad classification now).

    I would say no! What does your department say?
    My department said yes, it's a good use of force, I asked my Taser instructor about the question.
    He said the biggest factor there was that my partner was inside, and his safety was a concern. If the story was just "two brothers; verbal only" then no way. And I'd better be prepared to write a long report about the situation.

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  • Scubadiver
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    In my Dept. which is very conservative in taser deployment (has to be active aggression), you would be good. But, you would have to articulate the known facts. History of violence, his actions, fear for the safety of your partner and the other involved party (his brother). The fact remains also, for all you know their is a weapon inside the residence that he could use against your partner or his brother (he is a known violent offender). He is intoxicated, and from experience you know that people that are under the influence make decisions they would not normal make sober.

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  • MG108
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    You're taser is already out? I can cover 14 feet faster than I can cross draw the taser.

    The book here requires lethal cover to deploy the taser. That's the book so that's my book answer.

    In reality he never ran past me or got between me and the door and I never lost sight of my partner.

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  • LochRaven
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    Department next door is "Any time pepper spray could be used". Which can be articulated in just about any situation where things start to get out-of-hand.

    So would pepper spray had been justified in this instance? If so, then....

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  • TJx2
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    yep...would be a good use of force here...

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  • GrayPatriot
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    There are still a few unknown variables but with a bit of assuming on my part no! What crime has been committed? Obstructing?!?! You order him not to enter his own residence (assuming he lives with his brother) and tase him because he ignores you.

    Also, remember injuries from falls! You say he runs past you so he is in full flight and cannot brace himself so his face/head will take the full effect of his body in motion... He loses some teeth, fractures his nose, and now has "traumatic brain injury" (A very broad classification now).

    I would say no! What does your department say?
    Last edited by GrayPatriot; 03-11-2011, 07:37 PM.

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