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    Hey guys,

    I was wondering if there are any CID Agents here who could answer a couple of questions? I am 37, and will be 38 by the time I finish my BS degree (in Criminal Justice.) I am prior-service Infantry also. I was wondering, what is the CID process like for MP's, and the Internship? How picky are they, or, what chances does one really have if you're a fairly good catch? Also, how long does the process take, from paperwork, to entry into training, or the command? Thanks for any answers you can give. God bless you.
    Last edited by NHcjmajor; 11-28-2007, 03:58 AM.
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    CID is currently seeking qualified applicants to become Special Agents.
    For FAQs and sample forms click here.

    Enlisted Requirements:
    - U.S. citizenship
    - No record of psychological or pathological personality disorders
    - No record of unsatisfactory credit
    - Suitable character established by a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) leading to a Top Secret clearance
    - No civil court or court martial convictions
    - Physical profile 222221 or higher, normal color vision
    - ST score of 110 or higher. ST 107 if tested on or after 2 January 2002
    - Ability to speak and write clearly
    - Minimum age of 21 with at least two years of military experience but not more than 10
    - 2 years of college or at least 60 semester credit hours
    - Maximum grade of E-5 Sergeant (non-promotable)
    - 60 months of service obligation upon completion of the apprentice special agent course
    - Prefer Soldiers with civilian or military law enforcement experience

    For additional information, contact the nearest CID office or send an email to the CID Accession office at [email protected] or call 703-806-0331.


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    Warrant Officer Requirements:*
    - Be a SGT (E5) or above serving in MOS 31D
    - Two years criminal investigative experience with USACIDC (non-waiverable for enlisted Army personnel) (Will consider accreditation from other services such as AFOSI, NCIS, DCIS, etc.)
    - Demonstrated potential to serve as a team chief, Special Agent-in-Charge or operations officer as documented in previous performance evaluation reports and supervisors endorsements
    - Bachelors degree (120 semester hours), may be waived to 60 hours if otherwise fully qualified
    - Current Top Secret clearance based on a Single Scope Background Investigation
    - Management Abilities and Good Communication Skills

    For additional information, contact the nearest CID office or send an email to the CID Accession office at [email protected] or call 703-806-0328.

    *Commissioned officers are ineligible for Special Agent positions


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    Civilian Special Agent (1811) Requirements:
    Civilian criminal investigators in CID do not investigate general crimes, but are specialists in areas such as investigating computer system intrusions, polygraphy, operations, investigative policy and major contract procurement fraud. The full performance for all positions is Pay Band YK-02 in the National Security Personnel System Recruitment is typically done at the full performance level of the pay band for all areas, except for procurement fraud investigators. Procurement fraud investigators may be recruited in a developmental position that equates to a GS-09 entry level in Pay Band YK-01. Three years of training and a corresponding increase in job responsibilities, will culminate in a promotion to the full performance level pay band YK-02 equating to a GS-13. Qualification requirements for the entry level procurement fraud investigator include either a minimum of 3 years felony investigative experience or a master’s degree in a related field such as law, business, accounting, contracting or criminal justice. Specialized experience involves obtaining physical and documentary evidence, interviewing witnesses, applying for and serving warrants for arrest, searches and seizures, seizing contraband, equipment, and vehicles, examining files and records, maintaining surveillance, performing undercover assignments, preparing investigative reports, testifying in hearings and trials and assisting U.S. Attorneys in the prosecution of court cases. Education may be substituted for experience if the applicant has two full years of progressively higher-level graduate education, a masters or equivalent graduate degree. To be creditable, education must have been completed in an accredited college or university and must have provided the candidate with the abilities to perform the duties of the position. These positions fall under the purview of the Federal Law Enforcement Retirement System. Therefore, the applicant must be under age 37 to apply and must be appointed before reaching their 37th birthday. For information on available positions, please check the www.cpol.army.mil website.


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    Reserve Agent Requirements:
    - Currently serving in the U.S. Army, Active or Reserve, for at least two years
    - U.S. citizenship
    - No record of psychological or pathological personality disorders
    - No record of unsatisfactory credit
    - Suitable character established by a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) leading to a Top Secret clearance
    - No civil court or court martial convictions
    - Physical profile 222221 or higher, normal color vision
    - ST score of 110 or higher. ST 107 if tested on or after 2 January 2002
    - Ability to speak and write clearly
    - Minimum age of 21 with at least two years of military experience but not more than 10
    - 2 years of college or at least 60 semester credit hours - may be waived to 30 semester hours provided applicant is otherwise qualified
    - Maximum grade of E-6 Staff Sergeant (non-promotable) minimum grade of E-5 Sergeant.
    - 60 months of service obligation upon completion of the apprentice special agent course
    - Prefer Soldiers with civilian or military law enforcement experience

    For additional information, contact the nearest Reserve or National Guard CID office or call 703-806-0355.

    http://www.cid.army.mil/recruiting.htm

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      I will say that some of the NG/Reserve stuff is waiverable.....depending on how short unit is and what your background is......

      As when I looked into it last year, the DC Guard was going to grab me and send me straight to school..... My background was a FLEO and prior service enlisted MP with a 4 year degree......

      I opted not to go back in because at the time I had some other issues to deal with....and being deployed wasn't going to help things out.....

      As expect to be deployed if you get into a unit......they are not only doing criminal investigations over in the Sand Box but they are also doing a ton of PSD stuff as well.....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by NHcjmajor View Post
        Hey guys,

        I was wondering if there are any CID Agents here who could answer a couple of questions? I am 37, and will be 38 by the time I finish my BS degree (in Criminal Justice.) I am prior-service Infantry also. I was wondering, what is the CID process like for MP's, and the Internship? How picky are they, or, what chances does one really have if you're a fairly good catch? Also, how long does the process take, from paperwork, to entry into training, or the command? Thanks for any answers you can give. God bless you.
        I'm not sure if you're interested in reserves or active but I was active duty, ets'd and was out for about ten years until 9-11 and went back in the reserves as a cid agent.
        There is an age limit, but you subtract prior service time from it. The above info is good, but if you go reserves you are going to need a unit nearby to drill at - have you located one yet? I found a local unit and got an interview and re-enlisted. it takes quite a while to get mos qualified, first you have the security clearance and cid packet, then you have the different phases of reserve cid school. it can actually take a couple years to get mos qual'd and therefore deployable.
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        • #5
          go to www.cid.army.mil, there you will find anything you need to know about qualifications. Best thing to do is go to your local CID office and have a chat with them, most of them do briefings about once a month.
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          • #6
            Army CID

            Although you you would be a good catch and have the qualifications, your age is the problem. The CID position for civilians is considered a 1811 and is a covered law enforcement position therefor you must be appointed prior to your 37th birthday. This can be waived only with prior federal service in a covered position. Unfortunately your military service does not qualify. Basically it all comes down to the mandatory 20 year retirement which cuts the max age off at 37.

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            • #7
              CID civilian positions

              I'll try and revive this thread...

              What is the best avenue of approach for an 1811 civilian position with the US Army? All are MPFU as I understand it. Most are filled with prior CID people, or someone who knows someone/by name request... etc etc. Thanks. Currently going CID reserve route.

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              • #8
                We just opened up a bunch of 1811 positions for "Highly Qualified Experts" in sexual assault crimes. Most of the positions went to former CID agents, but a few outsiders were able to get in.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LandGuppy View Post
                  We just opened up a bunch of 1811 positions for "Highly Qualified Experts" in sexual assault crimes. Most of the positions went to former CID agents, but a few outsiders were able to get in.
                  I interviewed for one....having heard a thing back.....and nothing has popped up on CPOL on my status.

                  I also am in the running for a couple of other things with you guys.... Hate to leave Hawaii BUT....I'd love to work for you'all.....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stcroix99 View Post
                    Although you you would be a good catch and have the qualifications, your age is the problem. The CID position for civilians is considered a 1811 and is a covered law enforcement position therefor you must be appointed prior to your 37th birthday. This can be waived only with prior federal service in a covered position. Unfortunately your military service does not qualify. Basically it all comes down to the mandatory 20 year retirement which cuts the max age off at 37.
                    Not true.

                    All of the openings that popped up for the Sex Crimes Investigator let folks that were prior service apply..... I got interviewed and they asked me what my status was right off the bat and didn't have an issue....

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                    • #11
                      I saw the listings for but did not apply to the Sex Crimes Investigator position b/c, obviously, it requires 1yr specialized experience.
                      I also applied to the recent (7) USACID MPFU positions, the announcement did not indicate specialized experience was necessary, however, all came back "Your resume was not referred to the selecting official as you were not among the top competitors." I do not have sworn LE experience and I hope to correct that with CID reserves (my resume is stacked, otherwise, for an 1811 position - or so my ego tells me)... if I can get into CIDSAC quickly I would like to work "full time" on the reserve side, gain experience, while awaiting an 1811 civ position (I am slowly approaching the 37 threshold). Does this sound feasible?

                      Status still confuses me, slightly... As far as I know, 1811 (6c?) positions require appt before 37, (b/c of retirement @ 57) unless you are a prior fed w/ STATUS, i.e. civ fed employee (MILITARY does NOT count)... however, I was specifically told, DIRECTLY from the horses mouth, with corroborating email that you can count military time for 1811 State Dept BDS (DSS). So not all 1811's are the same? It is employer dependent? (Similar to counting CIDSAC as a FLETC equivalent?!) I get different answers everywhere I look/read and the policy just changed (expanded for active duty OEF, OIF as I understand it).

                      [I know it's 40 for DHS- BP etc. - not interested].

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lrice View Post
                        Status still confuses me, slightly... As far as I know, 1811 (6c?) positions require appt before 37, (b/c of retirement @ 57) unless you are a prior fed w/ STATUS, i.e. civ fed employee (MILITARY does NOT count)... .
                        In a nutshell, if you quailify for VEOA, you can apply for 1811 jobs (and/or any other jobs that are 6c covered) due to a recent court ruling.

                        That said....only a few agencies are jumping on board thus far and going with the ruling..... One must look at the vacancy to see what the deal is.....

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                        • #13
                          Unfortunately, the hiring process was not exactly impartial when the new positions wee filled. A couple were filled by some of CID's most senior warrant officers who came up on forced retirement about the same time as the positions opened up. The orientation for the sex investigators was like old warrant reunion. I only know of one person who was hired without retiring from CID.

                          Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                          I interviewed for one....having heard a thing back.....and nothing has popped up on CPOL on my status.

                          I also am in the running for a couple of other things with you guys.... Hate to leave Hawaii BUT....I'd love to work for you'all.....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LandGuppy View Post
                            Unfortunately, the hiring process was not exactly impartial when the new positions wee filled. A couple were filled by some of CID's most senior warrant officers who came up on forced retirement about the same time as the positions opened up. The orientation for the sex investigators was like old warrant reunion. I only know of one person who was hired without retiring from CID.
                            I figured as much.... My status still says that my stuff has been forwarded and is under consideration....

                            I was kinda shocked I got an interview for one of the locations.....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                              In a nutshell, if you quailify for VEOA, you can apply for 1811 jobs . . .That said....only a few agencies are jumping on board thus far and going with the ruling.....
                              To be clear: "qualify for VEOA" means ability to apply for 1811 post 37 yr age time limit... i.e. "counting" your mil time as if it counted toward retirement(?) Sorry for the redundancy... just want to make sure we're still talking about apples and not oranges. I have heard that "only a few agencies on board" comment from several sources - Im sure the 1811 application floodgates would be openend with (even more!) prior service/older than 37 types. Good to know. Thanks.

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