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    Last edited by alienbow; 04-20-2008, 05:21 AM.
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    I can speak to that, since I was doing it until last July.

    You can sign up to be what the Air Force calls and MP - in the AF they are called Security Forces. Responsible for all LE and Security duties on base. There are no dedicated LE troops - there are bases that have a bigger LE mission than usual, but every base has to have Security patrols or Security duties as part of their operations.

    It was the word when I got out that the Air Force was moving the Security Forces career field more to an infantry style outfit. SF's weren't deploying with the AEF cycle like everyone else when I left, they were on a 6 month downrange/6 month back cycle that started right when I left. Don't know if that has changed, imagine it hasn't. Needless to say, downrange is NOT LE work.

    On the positive side, civilian contractors run the gates at a lot of bases.

    I went to a Security heavy base, so I spent a lot of my time in a Humvee or pickup truck carrying a long gun. We only had 4 Police units on every night, the rest were gates and flightline Security. Other bases are different, don't take that as the norm. Just know that it can happen.

    The training program has changed a lot from when I went through, it was decent when I did it but overly focused on Security and Air Base Defense. Expect a large portion of that.

    I liked what I did, I enjoyed myself, and like everything else it is what you make it. When I went in they were offering bonuses only for a 6 year enlistment - that's not worth 3 grand, IMO. Who knows what they are nowadays.

    As with anything in the military - whatever agreements are made GET IT IN WRITING. Don't take anyone's word for anything.

    If you've got any other questions feel free to ask.
    Last edited by (S)Sgt Elmer; 06-15-2007, 06:42 PM.
    For every one hundred men you send us,
    Ten should not even be here.
    Eighty are nothing but targets.
    Nine of them are real fighters;
    We are lucky to have them, they the battle make.
    Ah, but the one. One of them is a warrior.
    And he will bring the others back.

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      Last edited by alienbow; 04-20-2008, 05:20 AM.
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      • #4
        I bet you I could have found the whole list if I could get onto the active duty sites, but I had no luck searching out that info on Air Force sites.

        However, I did locate this:
        HEALTH REQUIREMENTS
        Your local Air Force recruiter has a general guideline of medical conditions that can render someone ineligible for entrance into the Air Force. The doctor at the Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) is the source for making a determination on the condition. If you are interested in joining and are otherwise eligible, your local recruiter can have the medical records, for your condition, pre-screened by the doctor at the MEPS for you to find a preliminary ruling in your particular situation.


        This way at least you can get a read on eligibility before you get too deep into the process.

        That was from http://www.militarygi.com/view/item/1806. That page also has a height/weight requirement so you know where you're at with that.

        I'm sure you know, but the physical requirements are tougher than they used to be. At least for me, the run was a PITA to get to passing - I was anything but a runner before I joined. Heck, I'm still not!

        Check out www.airforce.com - it's the AF recruiting site, and you can register for an account that will allow you to ask questions or chat with an advisor that may be able to help you further.
        For every one hundred men you send us,
        Ten should not even be here.
        Eighty are nothing but targets.
        Nine of them are real fighters;
        We are lucky to have them, they the battle make.
        Ah, but the one. One of them is a warrior.
        And he will bring the others back.

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          Last edited by alienbow; 04-20-2008, 05:20 AM.
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          • #6
            Alienbow-

            I am an Air National Guardsman (in the rank of Staff Sergeant), and a Security Forces member. I have recently returned from Iraq, and feel that I can give you some good advice about your questions.

            Much of what Sgt. Elmer said was correct. Security Forces combines Law Enforcement with a heavy emphasis toward Infantry training. It is important that you understand that these two are NOT the same thing. When I speak of LE, I mean just that. When I say infantry, I am speaking about combat training.....i.e. warfighting.

            Security Forces (SF) is what the army and marine corps calls an MP, and what the navy calls a Master-At-Arms. Following 8 weeks(used to be six, now it is eight) of basic training at Lackland AFB San Antonio, you will go to SF technical school at the same base. It is about 14 weeks long. There you will learn a variety of subjects; both LE related and combat related. There has been a trend in the field ever since 9/11 that is taking us further away from LE, and more heavily on Infantry and Security related duties. (Base Defense, Force Protection, stuff like that) If LE is the only thing that interests you, then I would caution you before jumping into SF; the field is much more than that. Military LE is not performed like civilian LE is. Even MP's and MA's are getting more and more into combat related taskings and further away from LE.

            I'm not trying to discourage you, not at all. But I want to stress that in today's military (post 9/11) the main focus of "LE" in the military is less on LE and far more on security, warfighting, and force protection. Don't get me wrong, I certainly love what I do. Personally, the Air Force treated me far better than the Army ever did.....even when I was deployed.

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              Last edited by alienbow; 04-20-2008, 05:19 AM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by alienbow View Post
                blackandgold1978,

                I appreciate your feedback. I do understand that MP in the military is different from the civillian side. I have thought about it, and I am ready to do whatever.

                The main thing I am concerned about is my hypothyroidism. I am worried about not getting a medical waiver for this condition. Does anyone know anything about this?
                Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd worry less about your medical condition than your physical condition. You cannot do anything about hypothyroidism, but you sure as heck can do something about your physical conditioning. Start PTing now, including running, stretching and calisthenics(sp?). This way, even if you can't get into the military, which I doubt you'll have a problem with, you'll at least be in good shape. Where's the drawback there?

                By the way, I was active duty Air Force from 95-99. I was an SP, specifically an LE specialist. I won't bother giving you my 2 cents about it, because from what I hear, the career field has changed so much in the last 8 years that anything I have to say probably won't be true anymore. The only thing I will say is this: whatever career field you choose, the quality of life in the Air Force is hands down the best of all military branches. On the other hand, if you're looking for college money, I am not sure, but I believe the army has the best school money available. But if that's important to you, you obviously should do your own research on the matter. Good luck in your endeavors.
                Aggression will save you when caution won't.
                -Kent Anderson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dave2886 View Post
                  The only thing I will say is this: whatever career field you choose, the quality of life in the Air Force is hands down the best of all military branches.
                  I did some joint stuff with the AF during my time in the Army.....and would just shake my head at how well they were treated compaired to us........

                  One of the guys I use to work with out here in DC was AF....and we sat around the office one afternoon talking about our time in service.....and he was simply amazed at the differences..... And we about beat him for having it so easy......

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                  • #10
                    I worked with a few TACPs and Combat Controllers while I was in the Army as well. Even though they were attached to Army units they still lived the good life. When we'd occasionally provide escort to convoys going to "Terminal" at Baghdad International we'd get to see how the 'other side' lived. AF definately treats their people better as far as living conditions and whatnot.

                    That being said, I still wouldn't have done anything differently

                    About your question on the hyperthyroidism, I know the Army provides a waiver as long as you can meet the weight standards and pass the PT tests. I knew two people who suffered from the disease. One was a PT stud. The other just joined to pay the student loans and was a slug. It's all about what you want to get out of it. If you join the Army and go MP, you need to prove yourself and constantly work on your physical abilities. Not for any other reason except that you could become a liability and get one of your team mate's injured or worse....

                    Edit: Just thought of this... IIRC, there's two different MP units in each division. One is the Garrison MP unit which is the folks running around in the marked Impalas pulling people over and responding to calls, and the others that are more "combat" oriented and spend their time working on detainee ops and Indig Training. Also under the new MTOE, there are small platoons of MPs that are apart of the "Brigade Troops Battalion" in each Brigade. Those guys spent their time between detainee transport and as Iraqi Police Trainers.
                    I could be mistaken though...

                    Good luck.
                    Last edited by JTShooter; 06-17-2007, 02:16 PM.
                    “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

                    "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by justhomp View Post

                      Edit: Just thought of this... IIRC, there's two different MP units in each division. One is the Garrison MP unit which is the folks running around in the marked Impalas pulling people over and responding to calls, and the others that are more "combat" oriented and spend their time working on detainee ops and Indig Training. Also under the new MTOE, there are small platoons of MPs that are apart of the "Brigade Troops Battalion" in each Brigade. Those guys spent their time between detainee transport and as Iraqi Police Trainers.
                      I could be mistaken though...

                      Good luck.

                      Also remember most posts are hiring DOA Civilans as LEOs.....and the MPs are only doing it part-time.....or not at all and just doing train ups to get ready to deploy again.....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                        Also remember most posts are hiring DOA Civilans as LEOs.....and the MPs are only doing it part-time.....or not at all and just doing train ups to get ready to deploy again.....
                        While I was at Stewart I saw that. I know the gates were completely civilian with the exception of an MP NCO and maybe one or two lower enlisted to supervise and be the "law". I did see these 'contractors' riding around in the marked cars, but always with an MP. I think the new configuration reduced the size of the garrison unit and the other "tactical" units would sometimes rotate into a cycle to help out. Not too sure though. I never liked MPs so I never really talked to 'em
                        Last edited by JTShooter; 06-17-2007, 04:55 PM. Reason: Spelling error
                        “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

                        "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by justhomp View Post
                          While I was at Stewart I saw that. I know the gates were completely civilian with the exception of an MP NCO and maybe one or two lower enlisted to supervise and be the "law". I did see these 'contractors' riding around in the marked cars, but always with an MP. I think the new configuration reduced the size of the garrison unit and the other "tactical" units would sometimes rotate into a cycle to help out. Not too sure though. I never liked MPs so I never really talked to 'em
                          Gates/Access Control and LE duties are two different cats....

                          Gates/Access Control are being farmed out to civilan security contractors....think Wackenhut, CIS, Chenega, etc...... All they do is Gates/Access Control. They have no powers of arrest or anything like that...and most posts have a MP/DOA Officer around to deal with that.

                          The LE duties are being done by Department of Army Law Enforcement Officers....they are DOA Civilians and have the same power/authority as the MPs do. They are going to this because of deployment requirments....and I doubt they will be turning back to MPs only anytime soon.

                          I have a neighbor that is a MP at one of the area DC bases and he said it is going to end up having a LTC and Sr. NCO (which is what he is right now) in charge of things....with the civilans running the rest of it......That will include MP Investigations, Game Warden, K-9, Traffic, Physical Security, Crime Prevention, etc...... They will still school train military folks to do it....but they will be utilizing those skills overseas (think Status of Forces Agreements in place as why civilians won't be doing that stuff overseas) and in combat areas....

                          Just some FYI on what is going to probably end up happening to the rest of the military.....though, thus far, the USMC has resisted doing it (for the most part).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                            Gates/Access Control and LE duties are two different cats....
                            Edited for space...
                            .

                            That's good stuff to hear. When I left Stewart however the DOD Police hadn't arrived yet. They had a private company running the access gates, just like you said, however a few rode around with Marked cars mostly doing speed enforcement (from what I saw). However they also had MPs riding along with them, writting the tickets

                            But again, this was Stewart, where there's always atleast one brigade off post at any given time, so I'm sure it wasn't on the priority list for the DOD Police.

                            Good stuff either way. Glad to hear they're freeing up more units to help out.

                            Stay safe.
                            “The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

                            "You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him."

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                              Last edited by alienbow; 04-20-2008, 05:19 AM.
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