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  • Applying for 31D Direct Accession Program

    I am currently in the first steps of enlisting with my eye on joining the CID through the Army's Direct Accession Program (formerly the CID Pilot Program). I currently meet all the requirements, and I take the ASVAB this coming week. I don't foresee having any issues with my ASVAB scores considering how well I've performed on all the practice tests I've taken. I was reading another post on this site where someone said that the wait times for CID Special Agent classes are over six months to year, and that there are limited slots every year for this program.

    If any of you can help, I have a few questions about this MOS and this program:
    • Others have said that there a limited spots for this program each year. Should I be concerned that no spots will be available, and I will have to choose between not enlisting, or enlisting in a different MOS?
    • If there are limited seats in CIDSAC, will I end up languishing as a 31B while I'm waiting for an academy seat?

  • #2
    Once your accepted into the direct accessions program, your contract will read something to the effect of 31B/D. You will go to Fort Leonardwood for basic and the MP course, then attend the CID course after that. If for some reason you there is a delay in between the completion of 31B MP course and the CID course, you will either stay at Fort Leonardwood and help out around the CID office stamping case files and assisting agents, or you may get stuck staying in MP land working CQ duty for the drill sergeants until you get a class date.

    IF CID is what you want to do, then DONT I repeat DONT just enlist for the sake of getting in the Army and thinking you can join CID in a few months. Just wait for a direct accessions contract.

    Now as a 12 yr CID Agent (Reserve, but 4 active duty depolyments), I have to ask why do you want to do CID on the active duty side? Why not go join a civilian police department and just being a national guard or reserve Soldier on the weekend?

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    • #3
      DiverB72 I want to join the Army because I want to experience a strict training environment, away from friends, family, or distractions. I've always been interested in the armed forces and I believe that Army will give me a better chance at acquiring the training and mindset which will make me a better person and, eventually, a better officer.

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      • #4
        Ok I was just curious. Thanks for signing up for the Army, America needs you. I will say this about CID, 95% of your time will be spent at the desk typing reports about what happened to the victim and the steps taken to "investigate it". CID is honestly more of a crime reporter job than that of a detective. You will get some good training, and meet some incredible people, but you will be chained to the desk typing all day.

        CID stands for "Conducting Investigations Deskbound" lol. I admit im burned out and only need 3 more yrs to hit my 20, then im done

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        • #5
          "IF CID is what you want to do, then DONT I repeat DONT just enlist for the sake of getting in the Army and thinking you can join CID in a few months. Just wait for a direct accessions contract."

          Hard agree on this...be patient and wait till spots open. If they tell you to sign a contract for MP and you can switch later....don't fall for that.

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          • #6
            NaturalZero In my experience, and the other direct accessions I know, you’ll complete 31B OSUT, then go to your CID office as an assigned 31B while you’re waiting for your CIDSAC slot. However, your office should be able to use you, and you won’t be entirely relegated to stamping case files. You’ll just be “Investigator NaturalZero” instead of “Special Agent NaturalZero” for a little while. Probably working on urinalysis drug cases, which is not bad interviewing experience. If you don’t get a confession, there’s usually enough evidence to get a conviction anyway.

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            • #7
              I'm also interested in the CID direct program for reserves. Already a civilian police officer for USMC, think I'll still get sent to MP school? Also Anyone hear of guys getting picked up on the civilian special agent side? Are most of them former army cid?

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              • Kraut0783
                Kraut0783 commented
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                You'll probably go directly to CID school....but, your first start is to find a reserve CID unit you want to join, they will asses you, interview you, and start the process.

                I was prior service and completely out, wanted to go CID and located the CID unit I wanted to join, reached out to the Det Sgt and started the process.

                https://www.cid.army.mil/units-reserve.html

            • #8
              Originally posted by Johnny4x4 View Post
              I'm also interested in the CID direct program for reserves. Already a civilian police officer for USMC, think I'll still get sent to MP school? Also Anyone hear of guys getting picked up on the civilian special agent side? Are most of them former army cid?
              You wont have to attend MP school, but you will attend the CID course. As far as getting a civilian GS13 CID slot, I tried for a few years and couldn't get hired due to not having the financial crimes experience. Best way to get hired with MPFU is to get your CFE (certified fraud examiner) certificate. You could also volunteer to deploy for a year or two and do nothing but case work to help build your CID resume and also network. CID is a very very small community.

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              • #9
                Here is a current Army CID civilian position on usajobs.

                https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/545978000

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Kraut0783 View Post
                  Here is a current Army CID civilian position on usajobs.

                  https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/545978000
                  Those are both with MPFU....all fraud stuff

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                  • Kraut0783
                    Kraut0783 commented
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                    Yep, just showing the requirements and such on usajobs.

                • #11
                  Is this a Warrant Officer program? Just curious

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                  • scotty_appleton814
                    scotty_appleton814 commented
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                    ^^^^^^^^^^^I thought to be a CID warrant, you had to be a CID enlisted agent first.

                  • Johnny4x4
                    Johnny4x4 commented
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                    @scotyy_appletone814

                    I'm not aware of any CID agents not being Warrant officers. It's a warrant officer position. I'm also not in the army and don't pretend to know everything lol.

                  • parkscout93
                    parkscout93 commented
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                    Johnny4x4 As an enlisted CID agent who came in through this direct accession program, I can assure there are more enlisted CID agents than warrant officer CID agents, and the only way (currently) to become a warrant officer CID agent is to have been an enlisted CID agent first.

                  • Kraut0783
                    Kraut0783 commented
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                    At one time we allowed MP Captains to resign their commission and become a CID warrant officer, that really didn't work to well overall. Usually at a CID office you have enlisted Agents working under a Team Chief who is a warrant officer, having a former Captain with no investigative experience over seasoned enlisted Agents didn't work too well.

                    Similar problem with CID Agents who spend all their time in the protective service battalion, promote to E-7 or Warrant...eventually coming back to a investigation billet with no experience.

                    But, if you are short numbers in CID, they start making ways to get new people.
                    Last edited by Kraut0783; 10-10-2019, 08:34 PM.

                • #12
                  Thanks gents. I know the Army was recruiting senior Navy techs for WO positions in Transportation and Ordnance in the 90s, and a couple cops I worked with who were Navy Reserve gor picked up for Army warrant positions.

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by Johnny4x4 View Post
                    I'm also interested in the CID direct program for reserves. Already a civilian police officer for USMC, think I'll still get sent to MP school? Also Anyone hear of guys getting picked up on the civilian special agent side? Are most of them former army cid?
                    As a civilian LEO you would not need to go to 31B school. The general process is finding a reserve unit, meeting with the Det. Sgt. or CO, and possibly drilling with them. Once your in the unit you would submit a packet for CIDSAC, generally the reservist go to the abbreviated CIDSAC course, however in some cases they have several reserve slots in the AD course, which I would recommend personally, assuming you have the option. Once you submit the packet, it takes a little bit of time, but its hard to speculate how long. In my case it was about a year from the time I joined the unit until I attended CIDSAC. Each case is of course different, but I would plan to spend a year getting your packet done with the various hoops you need to jump through. First course of action is to reach out to someone already in a unit and pick their brain.

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                    • #14
                      The Army has a “civilian acquired skills” program.

                      not sure if law enforcement is in it, but if it is you can be assessed at a higher enlisted rank based based on your experience.

                      i think you have to go thru basic military training if you haven’t somewhere already but not mos school.
                      "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." -- GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

                      "With a brother on my left and a sister on my right, we face…. We face what no one should face. We face, so no one else would face. We are in the face of Death." -- Holli Peet

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                      • parkscout93
                        parkscout93 commented
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                        I believe the max pay grade you can get through that program is E-4, and if you come through the direct accession program, you must have a bachelor’s degree, in which case you enlist as an E-4 anyway.

                      • Johnny4x4
                        Johnny4x4 commented
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                        Was told by a reserve Lt. Col I work with that I'd go in to basic as an E-4, possibly get mp school waved, go into warrant officer school as a staff Sgt, come out as a warrant officer then cid school. (Shrugging shoulders!with hands in the air) lol

                      • parkscout93
                        parkscout93 commented
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                        Talk to a CID agent. See if there’s a reserve CID unit near you and talk to the detachment sergeant; find out the process from them. Sorry, but that LTC is flat out wrong.

                      • tanksoldier
                        tanksoldier commented
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                        You definitely won't be assessed as a warrant officer immediately, if ever. There's more to the military qualifications side than the law enforcement experience. Same with the promotions to sergeant and staff sergeant, you'll have to show that you can lead on the battlefield as a Soldier. There are also minimum time in service and time in grade requirements. Soldiers who are assessed as Specialists (E4) still have to wait the two year minimum to make E5...

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