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    Can anyone tell me what happens in the Army units if a guy or gal has a positive urine test for drugs.? I hear that it is manditory busted down and out for E-5's and above.

    I'm told some units will let E-4 and below stay in, but loss of rank.
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    I don't know about the Army but in the Coast Guard we had an E-3 test positive for Marijuana and was busted down and discharged.

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    • #3
      usually busted down and chaptered out, but ive seen some good soldiers allowed to stay in at a MUCH lower rank.

      its more on a case by case basis, pot isnt usually as bad as hard drugs.
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        Everyone I saw in the Navy (90-98) was busted and discharged. I actually had a LTjg(O2) on restriction who was busted for cocaine. We had one MM1(E-6) who I saw make MMSR(E1) in a succession of busts until we could get him processed. He actually tried to say that some of us put coke in his sample. Yea, like I was going to risk my job to bust somebody I didn't even know
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        • #5
          Funny you should ask this question. I handled 2 of these cases yesterday. It's a sad fact that because of the need for soldiers in the Army right now, not much happens for a "Hot" urine test. We go ahead and process them, but you'll see that joe a few weeks down the road with the same rank and in a substance abuse program. Some commanders take harder measures, but it's up to them these days. The Army isn't kicking people out very readily these days. It would have to be a case of numerous hot urinalysis' to get someone to the chaptering out phase. Sad.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Irish6
            Funny you should ask this question. I handled 2 of these cases yesterday. It's a sad fact that because of the need for soldiers in the Army right now, not much happens for a "Hot" urine test. We go ahead and process them, but you'll see that joe a few weeks down the road with the same rank and in a substance abuse program. Some commanders take harder measures, but it's up to them these days. The Army isn't kicking people out very readily these days. It would have to be a case of numerous hot urinalysis' to get someone to the chaptering out phase. Sad.

            exactly, im a grunt not a MP but we dont kick people to the curb for pot, but hard **** you get kicked out for.

            like i said, if its a really good soldier, they get busted down and put in a program.
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            • #7
              Wow, I don't know what unit you are in, but when I was in an Airborne Unit, anyone, no matter who you were, if you ****ed hot, even for pot, etc...you were kicked out...you really want to jump out or a plane with someone who mae be high? You want to go to war with someone who may be high. I think if you do any type of drug in the military these days you need to get kicked out. They are becoming way to relaxed with you guys.
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                The way I read the regulation on it now is, if you come in and ask for help you might stay in. All others need to check the job listing where they came from.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mainedawg
                  The way I read the regulation on it now is, if you come in and ask for help you might stay in. All others need to check the job listing where they came from.
                  Didn't you ask this on RP?

                  Just to reiterate what was already said there, the Navy is ZERO TOLERANCE. Zero means zero. Pop and you're gone. Period. Ask for help, you're put through some treatment programs and you're still gone. Period.

                  Maybe the other branches are more desperate for heads.
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                    I have asked this question on alot of boards. We are tring to find if the ARmy Reg 600-85 states that a soldier Must be processed(chaptered) out.

                    Is this for all or just a few in the Army. The question was asked By a good soldier that ****ed hot and wants to stay in the military. This is something that will effect the rest of his life. I just take it serious.
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                    • #11
                      Good to see my Navy still does it right. I remember when they booted the SecNavs(I think it was the SecNav, maybe the SecDef) son out for popping positive.

                      Originally posted by H.R. Cufnstuf
                      Didn't you ask this on RP?

                      Just to reiterate what was already said there, the Navy is ZERO TOLERANCE. Zero means zero. Pop and you're gone. Period. Ask for help, you're put through some treatment programs and you're still gone. Period.

                      Maybe the other branches are more desperate for heads.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mainedawg
                        I have asked this question on alot of boards. We are tring to find if the ARmy Reg 600-85 states that a soldier Must be processed(chaptered) out.

                        Is this for all or just a few in the Army. The question was asked By a good soldier that ****ed hot and wants to stay in the military. This is something that will effect the rest of his life. I just take it serious.
                        I received your PM, but I still don't care if he's God Himself. Any person in an armed capacity that tests positive for drug use just ended their career if I have anything to say about it.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by H.R. Cufnstuf
                          I received your PM, but I still don't care if he's God Himself. Any person in an armed capacity that tests positive for drug use just ended their career if I have anything to say about it.
                          And I am sure you don't have anything to say about it...I know of people still to this day that have tested positive for drugs and are still in the military carrying a weapon..is it right, no, but it's the new military.
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                          • #14
                            Here is an update on positive urine test for Drugs.

                            He had MJ, "smoking a little dope" is his urine. He is going thru the program and will be a very good soldier.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by H.R. Cufnstuf
                              I received your PM, but I still don't care if he's God Himself. Any person in an armed capacity that tests positive for drug use just ended their career if I have anything to say about it.
                              I'm with you H.R.

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