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    1) Who are these guys?
    2) What do they do
    3) Waht is the difference between them, the DOD Police and the MPs? Other then the fact they DOA and DOD are civilians and MPs are military.

  • #2
    Originally posted by ChrisF202
    1) Who are these guys?
    2) What do they do
    3) Waht is the difference between them, the DOD Police and the MPs? Other then the fact they DOA and DOD are civilians and MPs are military.
    1. Department of the army police officers, are civilians hired by the individual army instillation to preform law enforcement and security duties on the instillation.

    2. Read the answer for number1.

    3. Difference between DoD/DA civilian officers is the fact that one is guided by military regs and the other guided by Office of personnel regulations. The authority is the same as both recieve their LE powers from the base commanding officer. Some military members will have provesional rank authortiy based upon the fact that they are either a commissioned officer, warrant officer or non commissioned officer.
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    • #3
      The difference in them, the DOD cops can tell their supervisor to go f--k himself at anytime and quit. In the Army, your @$$ and soul belong to Army while you are under contract. And they can involuntarily extend your contract.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bigugly
        The difference in them, the DOD cops can tell their supervisor to go f--k himself at anytime and quit. In the Army, your @$$ and soul belong to Army while you are under contract. And they can involuntarily extend your contract.
        Quite frankly, I hope the idea of DA Police goes away. I can't really finger it, but something really bothers me about the whole concept.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by equinox137
          Quite frankly, I hope the idea of DA Police goes away. I can't really finger it, but something really bothers me about the whole concept.

          The DA/DoD police are not going anywhere. You will probably see the end of all military police law enforcement operations stateside before they get rid of the dod/DA police.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by equinox137
            Quite frankly, I hope the idea of DA Police goes away. I can't really finger it, but something really bothers me about the whole concept.
            Never going to happen. The Army is going to be relying on MPs for all kinds of stuff....but LE Ops on posts in the US.....

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            • #7
              There is no longer any law enforcement in the military.

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              • #8
                Don't cound out the MP Corps just yet. When more of the world problems wind down you'll see the MP's comming back to the states looking for thier old jobs back as white hats. If you are in the DOD DOA police field I would keep a handfull of Places that want you near the door. The MP's that I talk to are comming home, and will be E-6"s thru E-9's and are staying in the Military. The MP's are still alive and working white hat duty in the US. The mission has changed for now. It did during the 60's early 70's.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mainedawg
                  Don't cound out the MP Corps just yet. When more of the world problems wind down you'll see the MP's comming back to the states looking for thier old jobs back as white hats. If you are in the DOD DOA police field I would keep a handfull of Places that want you near the door. The MP's that I talk to are comming home, and will be E-6"s thru E-9's and are staying in the Military. The MP's are still alive and working white hat duty in the US. The mission has changed for now. It did during the 60's early 70's.

                  Mainedawg.. I disagree with your statement.. As a former DoD cop for both the army and navy, I can tell you for a fact, MP's will most likely be gone from doing the law and order mission. Civilians are going to be the wave of the future and in many I think you will see many more jobs that soliders due turned over to civilians either thru A-76 studies (outside contracting) or thru the hiring of federal civilian employees, not just in the law enforcement field.

                  These E-6 thru E-9's will most notably be coming but they will not be sitting in a patrol car unless they are in one of the larger bases that still has MP's. Also if they are going to be senior NCO's, they most likely wont be working on the road. These are guys who are going to have the desk jobs such as physical security officer, training etc..


                  There is no longer any law enforcement in the military.
                  Well look at what the military, recruits. Any joker can become an MP, SP or MA. Its no longer one of the more specialized fields. If you want to have decent recruits, the military would need to be like civilian LE and conduct some decent testing ( including a psych exam) and get a decent training program. This training would have to include federal criminal law (title 18 USC) along with the UCMJ, vehicle operations and how to respond different calls that would happen on the base.

                  The DoD/DA police program in many places has become one of the best places to being a copy. SUch as Ft. meade and Aberdeen Proving Grounds. APG has a CLEA accredited academy. Ft. Meade is working on gaining accredtited. Alot of their officers have come from the local communities after retiring. Military LE may not be the best but there is law enforcement and these services are provided civilians who are doing the best they can with the training they recieve.

                  Somethings I have said when I first came over to DoD, do away with hiring the retired MP just because of the fact they were an MP. Require everyone to attend a formal CIVILIAN academy, whether it be thru the state or FLETC. Require a pt test prior to hire, require a psychological exam on all applicants. Pay officers a decent salary, not just what the GS grade plus COLA would add up to. I think DoD would see an increse on recruiting.
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                  • #10
                    I agree with most that you say. Some MP's were trained well years ago.When police academys were 2 to 4 weeks long the MP's were better trained. I recieved 42 weeks of training in 7 years. In class not on the job. The Mp's today are not trained well for Law Enforcement for the start of thier enlistment. The E-6 thru E-9 will not be road duty they will seeing what can be done for the Law Enforcement side of the MP Corps. There is still a few posts left with road duty MP,s I agree the training must change if the MP is going to be Law enforcement. It may go the way of DOD DOA police. I don't want that to happen. As I have said before, I love every day in the Army Military Police.
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                    • #11
                      We have definately seen a shift in the duties of MPs. They are highly valued in places like Iraq and, subsequently, that's where most of them are being sent. This is creating a giant vacuum in the United States and that's why so many DA officers being hired (I guess).

                      I don't think that the Iraqi mission is going to be short-term and, consequently, it will continue to be a black hole for MPs, resulting in job security for DA officers who are stateside.

                      There was a time when the Army considered abolishing the MPs altogether, so they began to shift away from traditional LE in order to justify their existence. The main mission of the United States Army is to fight and win. Everything else is cannon fodder. With that in mind, the MPs have justified their existence by become an integral part of post-combat operations and EPW operations. The MPs will never disappear, though their traditional stateside LE mission may never return, unless Martial Law is declared stateside, but that's a different ball of wax that we all hope never happens because it would mean there is a national emergency, which means there would probably be a global emergency!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by orlandofed5-0
                        1. Department of the army police officers, are civilians hired by the individual army instillation to preform law enforcement and security duties on the instillation.

                        2. Read the answer for number1.

                        3. Difference between DoD/DA civilian officers is the fact that one is guided by military regs and the other guided by Office of personnel regulations. The authority is the same as both recieve their LE powers from the base commanding officer. Some military members will have provesional rank authortiy based upon the fact that they are either a commissioned officer, warrant officer or non commissioned officer.


                        WHAT!?

                        Where did you come up with that, perhaps I am OTL on this, but did you drink your lunch?

                        In 2001 the Petagon came up with this bright idea that each branch of the military who had civilain police would change the name on the patch of those officers. That is where the DOA, DON etc name came from. At the time there were only a handful of Army bases with civilians. Airforce and more so Navy had have had greater numbers of civilians prior to 9/11. This only left the Pentagon with DOD Police which changed to PFPA after 9/11. Since 9/11, there is that one base that always marchs to a different drummer and through union negotiations and whatever else they have pulled out of their hat, they are still being called or have returned to being call DOD Police. IF you are an Army soldier (Active Duty, Reserve, National Guard)authorized to perform LE duties by the CO of the installation regardless if you hold he MOS classification then you would be an MP, regarless of rank, you have the same authority to effect apprehensions and keep the peace.

                        Short story there really are no DOD Police anymore. Unless you know something I have overlooked 5-0, please share your info if you have it.

                        As far as training goes, some day that dead horse is going to get up and walk away.... maybe.

                        Pay, that is up to your base CO to get you the specialty pay. It is available, it just has to be justified and applied for. (I am not talking about 6c)

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                        • #13
                          Fedcop..

                          I was a DoD cop when the regs changed, however your info is incorrect. The whole DoD/DA/DoN is merely a play on words. The DoD police patch was standardized in the 70's by all 3 branches of service as away to uniform the civilian officers on each base. If you ever see an old style DoD police badge, which states "Special police" it was because these officers were deputized thru an old GSA program to give them some LE authority. This was phased out in the 80's when GSA did away with the special deputization programs.

                          Im going to break up your post so I can answer each thread.

                          In 2001 the Petagon came up with this bright idea that each branch of the military who had civilain police would change the name on the patch of those officers. That is where the DOA, DON etc name came from. At the time there were only a handful of Army bases with civilians. Airforce and more so Navy had have had greater numbers of civilians prior to 9/11. This only left the Pentagon with DOD Police which changed to PFPA after 9/11.
                          DoD IG ruled on the DoD police issue back in 2000 at the end of the Clinton era to an issue sent forth by the individual branches in reguards to the authority and jurisdiction of the branches civilian officers. The whole DA/DoN etc names came from this ruling along with the patch changes. 90% of my FLETC class was comprised of DoD police officers represnting several army instillations and 1 navy instillation. The army prior to 9/11 had close to 1000 DoD cops nationwide, the navy had the most (and lowest paid) while the Air force mainly had DoD guards (0085 series) patrolling reserve bases. The AF only used DoD police at a handfull of instillations mainly as game wardens. The Pentagon never had DoD police, they were Defense Protective service and had their name changed after 9/11 PFPA/PPD.

                          Since 9/11, there is that one base that always marchs to a different drummer and through union negotiations and whatever else they have pulled out of their hat, they are still being called or have returned to being call DOD Police. IF you are an Army soldier (Active Duty, Reserve, National Guard)authorized to perform LE duties by the CO of the installation regardless if you hold he MOS classification then you would be an MP, regarless of rank, you have the same authority to effect apprehensions and keep the peace.
                          We were DoD police (or NDW police as the military liked to call us) but when we regionalized, we wore both a DoD and a regional patch on our uniform. Some of the other bases wore their own patch but are now being required to wear the regional patch. Navy regs allowed for a regional patch or use of the DoD patch.

                          I stand by my comment in reguards to apprehension. Just because a solider can apprehend, doesnt give him that authority 24/7. Military regs, most notably the MCM and UCMJ give the authority to arrest to commissioned officers, warrant and non commissioned officers. An MP/solider is granted that authority by the CO to use while they are preforming their duties.

                          Short story there really are no DOD Police anymore. Unless you know something I have overlooked 5-0, please share your info if you have it.
                          While there may no longer be an official "DoD" police, the current navy regs allow for civilians assigned to the NSF to use the DoD patch. I belive the Air force is this way also as there is no single DoN or Dept. of the Air force police patch for civilians.

                          As far as training goes, some day that dead horse is going to get up and walk away.... maybe.
                          I went thru the SP (prior to the merger) academy at Lackland..I went thru FLETC as a DoD cop.. Military LE training as I have stated is far behind the times. I think that is something all of us are going to agree upon, MP training can and should be brought up to todays standards including homeland security issues, plus the EPW and combat operations.

                          Pay, that is up to your base CO to get you the specialty pay.
                          A good union can get it put into a contract. That is how we did it in DC and what I was working on when I ended up leaving DoD in Florida. When we regionalized in DC, we had about 7 different pay scales. Our union (FOP) was able to standardize all the pay for all the bases in the region (navy). We also got Walter Reed (where I worked for with the army), I belive assisted Aberdeen Proving Grounds and a few others in getting the specialty pay.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by orlandofed5-0
                            Require everyone to attend a formal CIVILIAN academy, whether it be thru the state or FLETC. Require a pt test prior to hire, require a psychological exam on all applicants
                            Let's not forget that the Army does a PT Test every 6 months, goes through a thorough exam at MEPS... and gives the Military Police a SECRET Security Clearence upon entering.

                            Also, I've been through MP School, and a Civilian Police Academy.... Geuss which one was more a joke? The Civilian. MP School was much more regimented than a Municipal Police Academy.

                            Im sick and tired of coming on this thread and seeing MP's dogged as Law Enforcement...

                            And MP's still do Law Enforcement work. I just did a year in Iraq at LSA Anaconda, doing L&O Operations not to long ago. Probably because the DA Police don't have the balls to go over there.

                            The National Guard and Army Reserves created 5 Law & Order units post 9/11. So there is a good hope of the Army MP's keeping to an L&O Garrison function. Maybe not patrol, but at least as MPI, Force Protection, TAI, and Desk operations..
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                            • #15
                              MP Soldier... Take it easy, Of the Troops for the Troops.

                              The origianl question was about DA Police.... They are civilians that door LE on Army bases, DOD Police what they used to be called. The rest of this crap is just that crap!

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