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    forgive me for posting here, but is anyone on here a I/R Specialist or was in corrections in the army. 95C / 31E.

    What I want to know is the stuff that the army recruiter doesnt tell you about. Like how many hours do your shifts run, what are the jails/prisions/camps like, how are the inmates, what kind of training you get, ect.
    "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." ~ Romans 13:4

  • #2
    i'm not a "chuckie" or a "charly" but we do have a correctional fac. next to our kennels. all i can tell you is they have 12 hour shifts due to personel shortages and none of seem to be happy with their jobs. i cant tell you how many inmates that they look over but its quit a few. if you have any specific questions send me an e-mail and i'll try to answer em for you.

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    • #3
      I'm not a charlie either, but I can tell you stay away. Do not believe what your recruiter is telling you. They need to fill slots now more than ever. If you want to defend your country or feel some obligation to be in the military try the Air Force. They at least take care of their people. I have been in the US Army now for tenplus years and am getting out. I have done my time plus being forced to stay in beyond the end of my contract. DO NOT Do IT. There are plenty of other opportunities out there.

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      • #4
        I am an MP MOS 31B. I am assigned in a 31E position because they need 1800 new persons and have only been able to recruit 200 that includes transfers from other MOS's. It suck I hate it, I have come close to losing my sanity in the 1 year I have been here. I have law enforcement and field experience as an MP and law enforcement experience in the civilian sector plus was a prior service Marine. I am very comfortable doing law enforcement. I absolutely hate working in the jail, I have went from being an outstanding soldier to having an attitude of I don't care. I have considered doing many number of things to get kicked out of the army, I don't because I want to be able to get a job in law enforcement when I get out. I had intended to make the military a career when I come back in but now I just want out ASAP. The stress level in the jail is through the roof. you supervise about 70+ inmates by yourself. They can say or do whatever they want and there is nothing you can do to them, you can write a disciplinary report and thats it. A disciplinary report gets forwarded up to the HQ section who 9 times out of 10 does nothing about it and makes excuses not to do anything so they don't have to work. If you even say something mean to them you get in trouble with the chain of command. The MOS 31E is no longer a nondeployable MOS they are highly deployable and plagued with incompetent people from the bottom to the top. The good news is they offer a good bonus for enlistment, but your recruiter will probably screw you out of that, they do it all the time. If you are transferring over from another MOS in the army you will get a bonus but when you get here you will never leave. Even us 31B's with this assignment will PCS to another jail because we have the secondary MOS of 31E. The only way to go to another 31B unit is to reenlist for it then the army will move us back to a jail in about a year anyways. The army is crooked and way too political I would advise to just steer clear. If you want to go into the military go to the AF they may be political but at least they take care of their people, the army don't care about its people especially in MOS 31E. I hope this answers any questions you have if not shoot me an email and I will answer specifics for you.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by americanoutdrsm
          I am an MP MOS 31B. I am assigned in a 31E position because they need 1800 new persons and have only been able to recruit 200 that includes transfers from other MOS's. It suck I hate it, I have come close to losing my sanity in the 1 year I have been here. I have law enforcement and field experience as an MP and law enforcement experience in the civilian sector plus was a prior service Marine. I am very comfortable doing law enforcement. I absolutely hate working in the jail, I have went from being an outstanding soldier to having an attitude of I don't care. I have considered doing many number of things to get kicked out of the army, I don't because I want to be able to get a job in law enforcement when I get out. I had intended to make the military a career when I come back in but now I just want out ASAP. The stress level in the jail is through the roof. you supervise about 70+ inmates by yourself. They can say or do whatever they want and there is nothing you can do to them, you can write a disciplinary report and thats it. A disciplinary report gets forwarded up to the HQ section who 9 times out of 10 does nothing about it and makes excuses not to do anything so they don't have to work. If you even say something mean to them you get in trouble with the chain of command. The MOS 31E is no longer a nondeployable MOS they are highly deployable and plagued with incompetent people from the bottom to the top. The good news is they offer a good bonus for enlistment, but your recruiter will probably screw you out of that, they do it all the time. If you are transferring over from another MOS in the army you will get a bonus but when you get here you will never leave. Even us 31B's with this assignment will PCS to another jail because we have the secondary MOS of 31E. The only way to go to another 31B unit is to reenlist for it then the army will move us back to a jail in about a year anyways. The army is crooked and way too political I would advise to just steer clear. If you want to go into the military go to the AF they may be political but at least they take care of their people, the army don't care about its people especially in MOS 31E. I hope this answers any questions you have if not shoot me an email and I will answer specifics for you.
          Wow that sounds depressing!!! I was 31B and thought about 31E but I heard too many stories about how terrible it was so I stayed clear. Thank God I did! When do you ETS? Can't you put in for a school like recruiting, instructor or drill sergeant? It's gotta better than 31E.
          Blame it on the Trunk Monkey!!!

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          • #6
            Americanoutdoorsman, you have obviously had a bad experience with the military, but you are destroying the recruiting effort. I too have had my *** handed to me by the Army a coupe of times but overall I have learned things about myself and others that makes me a more effective LEO. Please look into the past and try to find a good thing the Army has done for you and try to accentuate that, that way the 31E slots will not remain impossible to fill because guys like you are scaring possible recruits off. One or two of these guys might like the MOS.
            Last edited by MP Teamleader; 10-11-2005, 02:25 PM.
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            • #7
              I'm thinking........thinking......thinking....nope nothing positive. That is why after ten years, I'm willing to give it all up and get out. Americanoutdrsmn is not making this stuff up. And, I tell everyone I know to stay away from the military. You hear about how Re-Enlistments are up in units that have deployed. Well, I'm about to tell you how the Army has managed to do that. When a unit is deployed they stop-loss/stopmove the unit. That means no retirements and no one gets out even if there contract is up. The unit is sent to where ever and then Soldiers figure well I'm screwed so I might as well get the bonus money (Smart Move). Soldiers re-enlist for the minimum two years. One year on deployment and then one year when they get back. The only problem is when they get back in less than a year the unit will deploy again and then guess what the Soldier gets stop lossed again. Bottom line, stay out if your are thinking about coming in and get out if you are in. There are better opportunities on the outside.

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              • #8
                Well I wish both of you guys had been serving with me, like I said, I had my *** handed to me a few times but I still love the Army. I hope that in the future you can atleast look back and miss the brotherhood with the other troops you shared your frustration with.
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                • #9
                  Sorry guys I have to agree with MP Teamleader on this one. Lord knows I had my fare share of $hitty assignments. Literally got sent to the south pole once. The other side of that is the frustration of one ****ty job after another. Lord knows I understand that too. I joined the Navy, spent 50% of my time in the field with Marines, go figure that one out. Humping a backpack wasn't in the Navy recruiting posters. Now that I been retired 5+ years I can tell ya this. That check rolling in every month, the health care benefit and a few other perks just make it all worth while. Yeap it sucks right now and probably will for a couple more years. But eventually you'll move on to something else.

                  I now watch my coworkers in the civilian world struggle with bills and mortgages, and counting nickels at lunch time. I don't. I live within my civilian salary means and my retirement check is blow money, although I save a pretty good chunk every month. Savings that doesn't have to come out my civilian check. Because I took Tri-Care prime when I retired I don't need the insurance from my agency. That saves me about $150 every paycheck.

                  Tired of it right now? I don't blame you one bit. I swore I was getting out so many times in my career. I hated it, life was horrible, etc. and believe me, while living in the sands of the middle east during the Guf War I was sold on civilian life. Anything had to be better then that. Many moons later I learned something. The military in general is full of B.S. that seems intolerable. So does the civilian world. The B.S. in the civilian world just smells different, but is B.S. all the same.

                  The countless days in the field, the countless days at sea, and the countless days just hating life in general were all worth it. They were offset by some pretty good things though. I did have some pretty sweet duty stations along the way. Meet some of the best friends I'll ever have. Always knew my back was covered.
                  Be alert...the world needs more lerts!

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                  • #10
                    The reason why people are getting out now is very simple. Officers are not willing to listen to the NCO's, and the officers are only out for themselves. When your OER is more important to you than your troops, you have problems. When your chain of command hangs you out to dry, you tend not to forget that. I know for sure that the Army doesn't care about its MP's. They care less about their Engineers. When you wake up everyday in the sandbox knowing that you are going out looking for IED's, life is sucking. The MP's that do Sheriff's Patrol here get slammed, drive up and down the highway for hours on end. That is a crap job, they essentially do the same thing as Engineeers, but without the special equipment we have. Iraq has a lot to do with why Infantry, Artillery, Engineers, and MP's are hurting to recruit. A lot of the people who reenlisted, they are what we termed "Fobbitt's", happy little elves who never leave the confines of the FOB. They are my arch enemy next to the insurgents. There are a lot of units here that don't do jack squat, and the same Infantry, Artillery, Engineer, and MP units get tasked everyting. Oh, I almost forgot, the Cav units get crapped on a lot too.

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                    • #11
                      Omega4 and MP Teamleader both have very good points. I used to love being in the military, yeah it sucked but I liked it all the same. I had some really good times and met a lot of great friends. Yes it may hurt the army's recruiting effort but it needs to be done you can't count on recruiters to tell the whole truth. Maybe some people will see this post and join as a 31E anyways. I hope they like it. I am not trying to keep people out of this MOS, the sooner they get enough people the sooner I can go back to my MOS. However I am just putting the information out there for people who want to know the truth about this MOS and the army in general as best as I can answer it. I by no means am trying to keep anyone out of the military, I have learned things in the military that are an an important part of my life today, and things that I will carry with me till I die. I think everyone should spend a few years in the military, but just want them to be informed about what they are signing up for.

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                      • #12
                        so...

                        so if your a 31E and you sign up for 3 years, your pretty much going to be staying in for a hell of alot longer?
                        "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." ~ Romans 13:4

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                        • #13
                          Maybe, it depends on where you go. If you go to Ft. Leavenworth KS you have about a 50/50 chance of deploying, I think Ft. Lewis WA is deploying people too. I am not sure about Ft. Knox KY, I don't think the confinement facility in korea is deploying, I know the one here in germany does, deploy a handful of people but there is a lot of competition for those few slots. So your chances of being deployed here is not too good. The only way the military can stoploss you now is if you are deploying with your unit so if you are not deploying they can't hold you. And its not that this place is hell, just incompetent people who are in positions because they know somebody and not because of their abilities. They make it much harder than it has to be. As far as the people you work with you have your occasional retard and dumb*** but for the most part they are good people.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aikido kid
                            so if your a 31E and you sign up for 3 years, your pretty much going to be staying in for a hell of alot longer?
                            3 letters IRR

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                            • #15
                              ...

                              IRR stands for...

                              ...this doenst sound good. haha
                              "For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." ~ Romans 13:4

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