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    Anyone on here an AF Civilian Police Officer? If so, what is your opinion about the way the AF runs its civilian police program?

  • #2
    Originally posted by hangman View Post
    Anyone on here an AF Civilian Police Officer? If so, what is your opinion about the way the AF runs its civilian police program?
    Conservative answer:
    Kind of a slippery-slope to answer. I will post that I have observed that the program is run differently from location-to-location. This appears to be due to the dynamics of each location (i.e. duty requirements, threat, manpower, and hierarchical personalities). I'm sure that the DAF PO program is met with--and managed with--varying degrees of enthusiasm.

    Unrestrained answer:
    Omitted.
    Last edited by I0347; 09-21-2011, 07:30 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hangman View Post
      Anyone on here an AF Civilian Police Officer? If so, what is your opinion about the way the AF runs its civilian police program?
      The word sucks comes to mind

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      • #4
        I think it is a good job in the federal system to get 0083 experience. Is it a career type job....No. If you do not like to work gates or fixed positions you will not like it. If you just want your foot in the door for law enforcement work it is a great job to do that. Pay is decent and its low key law enforcement, no kicking doors and hot calls or pursuits. Its better than the Federal Bureau of Prisons I can tell you that.

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        Any specific questions Ill be happy to answer.

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        • #5
          Ditto what was said. Aside from that your gonna have to form your opinion. Each base has a different experience to deal with.
          He who has never learned to obey
          cannot be a good commander.
          Aristotle

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Raidergx View Post
            I think it is a good job in the federal system to get 0083 experience. Is it a career type job....No. If you do not like to work gates or fixed positions you will not like it. If you just want your foot in the door for law enforcement work it is a great job to do that. Pay is decent and its low key law enforcement, no kicking doors and hot calls or pursuits. Its better than the Federal Bureau of Prisons I can tell you that.

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            No off duty carry

            Any specific questions Ill be happy to answer.
            It also depends on your location. Each location seems to have different posting. Some locations perform mostly patrol functions, whereas others, mostly fixed. Certain states and locales also recognize "DOD" civilian law enforcement as "peace officers" and don't give them any beef about concealed carry (not rehashing a discussion about CCW again...). A good portion of civilian officers are retired military, and are performing a job they already know while collecting an additional check, for others it's a stepping stone to get into the federal system, while others are seeking some LEO experience and are using it to put on the resume. As for me, I needed a job, and have prior military LE experience. So, many different reasons, and many different approaches to "how" the program is managed and perceived.

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            • #7
              I0347 through your experience and the folks you have networked with is one branch's civilian law enforcement more 'high speed' than another? Meaning am I more inclined to stand a post with limited patrolling ability at a Naval base (for example) than an air installation?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by caseyp View Post
                I0347 through your experience and the folks you have networked with is one branch's civilian law enforcement more 'high speed' than another? Meaning am I more inclined to stand a post with limited patrolling ability at a Naval base (for example) than an air installation?
                I would have to say that the differences are seen at each duty location, and not per branch of service. While at the VALETC, for formal training and through networking, I've met DAF POs from all over, and noticed that the duty posting, policies, and management personalities were different at every location. Even the uniforms and equipment have significant differences in many cases. Some locations have a very good working relationship with management, others a passive neglect, and others are treated with outright hostility (this of course changes in scope and frequency as military management changes...permanent civilian leadership would remedy that). Then you deal with jurisdicational boundaries, and the local JAGs intrepretation of law (I've heard some real shockers about a few JAGs). So you see, "per branch of service" probably isn't the operative phrase, but more like "per specific location."

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                • #9
                  I don't think any one branch is better than they other. As bad as things can get at times, there is also the factor of what you make of it. One person can have a bad experience, while another may not. Being involved as I am with Afge and DEFCON, I see all the bad and good from all the branches. I would give it a chance and let yourself be the judge as only you can form your opinion.
                  He who has never learned to obey
                  cannot be a good commander.
                  Aristotle

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                  • #10
                    Great guys thanks for your input! I guess the only way to see if it's for me is to get into it and figure it out myself!

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                    • #11
                      The Air Force quit doing any meaningful LE in 1997.....

                      If I had any desire to do military 0083 work, I would look at the Army's program.

                      I0347, although I did not get along with your former Dix bros, I will admit it appeared their management at the time let them be cops, I always envied them for that despite all their shenanigans towards us.

                      If I had any desire to do 0083 work in general, from what I have seen and heard I would go U.S. Park Police.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by statebear View Post
                        The Air Force quit doing any meaningful LE in 1997.....

                        If I had any desire to do military 0083 work, I would look at the Army's program.

                        I0347, although I did not get along with your former Dix bros, I will admit it appeared their management at the time let them be cops, I always envied them for that despite all their shenanigans towards us.

                        If I had any desire to do 0083 work in general, from what I have seen and heard I would go U.S. Park Police.
                        The job's improving at certain locations. On the civilian LEO side (at my location), we're the continuity (or supposed to be). For most of us, we focus on LE, get as much additional training as we can on it, and try to fosture and maintain good relationships with the local PD (which isn't bad right now). On the military side, I think the career field is in an identity crisis. They seem to be focused on infantry skills, fitness tests (#1), and deployments. Very little thought is LE for them. It's a shame.

                        So USPP is your #1 pick? What are your thoughts on the VA?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by I0347 View Post
                          The job's improving at certain locations. On the civilian LEO side (at my location), we're the continuity (or supposed to be). For most of us, we focus on LE, get as much additional training as we can on it, and try to fosture and maintain good relationships with the local PD (which isn't bad right now). On the military side, I think the career field is in an identity crisis. They seem to be focused on infantry skills, fitness tests (#1), and deployments. Very little thought is LE for them. It's a shame.

                          So USPP is your #1 pick? What are your thoughts on the VA?
                          LOL! You hit the nail on head; AF has been trying to make 11bs out the cops for years. Ravens, 820th, snipers...etc. IMO it once was a place a young guy could gain some good LE experience....now forget about it.......If I was a young guy looking to enlist I would go Army or Marine MP. Not that those two services are super LE oriented, but at least you won’t be stuck out on some tarmac counting rivets on an F-16 for 12 hours a day or guarding some missile site for days on end. All the while having to answer to some pilot playing wannabe cop, because he couldn’t get through flight school....


                          Yeah, from what I have heard on here by some of the USPP I have interacted with via PM and what not, they are closest thing to being a local cop you get, while still being a Fed. I saw some when I was growing up in NY, didn't deal with them much or know what their mission was till I interacted with one on here awhile back who gave me inside scoop on what they do. The only draw back with them dudes is you might be standing static posts right out the gate before you move on to mobile patrol duties. At least in DC, I don't know about the NYFO or the SFFO.....

                          VA.....I don't know about those cats. Sounds like a lot "force protection" type stuff with them. I hung out with some of them at my last assignment. There was a VA Center in my patrol area and I use to visit with them at the entrance to the joint. Most of them were retired MPs. They didn't look like they had much to do, besides patrolling the grounds and dealing with patient issues. Nor did they say they wanted anything to do. Seems like most of them had seen all the action they wanted to see and were at the point in there careers where they just wanted to collect a check. A while back I interacted with one of their 1811’s on here. He was looking to move on elsewhere for the same reasons. I wouldn't personally consider VA if I was looking to go Fed. I need more action and freedom then what they seem to offer......not to say it is a bad gig, just not for me.
                          Last edited by statebear; 09-23-2011, 03:07 PM. Reason: typo

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                          • #14
                            IO347- On the other hand, I just got to the VA Police after being a DoD 0083........And my initial impressions of the VA are FAR better than what I encountered with DoD.
                            Just another squirrel, tryin' to get a nut......

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by QuietPro View Post
                              IO347- On the other hand, I just got to the VA Police after being a DoD 0083........And my initial impressions of the VA are FAR better than what I encountered with DoD.
                              I guess just like with DAF PO (or other "DOD" PO), it depends on location and support.

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