Alright as some of you may know I recently got out of active duty in the Navy where I was a MA. I picked up a gig in a ... well lets say a unique installation. I am currently a Sgt. as an 0085 in a DES of 0083s and 0085s where as an 0085 I have 0083s as my subordinates (lose you yet?). Now, this installation has gone from leased private property to a brand new facility on federal property. One would assume we would have exclusive jurisdiction, however the Garrison manager has organized agreements with the local PD to respond to EVERYTHING.
Now let me back track to my previous department in the Navy. We had exclusive jurisdiction and proprietary jurisdiction. As a patrolman I was used to responding to anything and executing all acts under exclusive jurisdiction to include personnel outside of the fenceline on CITY property that were taking pictures of the base or were trying to jump the fence into the installation (NAPS kids did it all the time). Back to the pictures (since this is 1 of the key points to my current situation) I was authorized to take the camera delete any pictures, take down all information from the individual to include vehicle if there was one and pass that down to NCIS for further investigation.
Now at my current job, we are not allowed to do this. If an individual/s is doing something suspicious outside of the fenceline we do nothing but "attempt" to get tag info from within the fenceline and forward it to the local PD. We are told we have NO authority or ability to question anyone outside of the fenceline. This goes completely contrary to what I was taught and did at my previous location.
They keep telling us there is no law enforcement mission, (yet we have 0083s, which they are trying to force convert to 0085). However even with a strictly force protection mission, I would assume we have the authority to question individuals to gather the right information to pass to a investigative agency.
The installation is currently under inspection by IMCOM and the DIA. These inspections have found numerous short falls with our program to include training. Now it appears that we are racing to make ourselves look better and they are jamming all sorts of "Police" training down the throats of Guards (including the 0083s that they consider Guards) USAMPS Executive Summary states that the training between Guards and Police is vastly different and should not be the same to include that Guards do not operate in the same high liability areas as Police. Yet we are now getting Active Shooter training, taser training (we will soon be armed with tasers), Sniper fire training, Bomb Threat training, ect... (mind you while well intentioned the training is subpar due to lack of qualified trainers, experience, and resources).
The next set of training (we do this weekly now) is Authority and Jurisdiction, which will be taught by our garrison lawyer. I plan on hammering this guy with so many questions I may get fired!!! What sources besides the 190-56 and UCMJ can I use to support my arguement that we have more authority and jurisdiction than this guy (to include the garrison manager) is making it seem we have? Any and all info would be extremely helpful. We ( DES employees) are trying to push for a law enforcement mission and conversion of all 0085s to 0083s. Or least, have the tools to do our job completely and accurately and not the soup sandwich we have going on.
Thanks in advance!
Now let me back track to my previous department in the Navy. We had exclusive jurisdiction and proprietary jurisdiction. As a patrolman I was used to responding to anything and executing all acts under exclusive jurisdiction to include personnel outside of the fenceline on CITY property that were taking pictures of the base or were trying to jump the fence into the installation (NAPS kids did it all the time). Back to the pictures (since this is 1 of the key points to my current situation) I was authorized to take the camera delete any pictures, take down all information from the individual to include vehicle if there was one and pass that down to NCIS for further investigation.
Now at my current job, we are not allowed to do this. If an individual/s is doing something suspicious outside of the fenceline we do nothing but "attempt" to get tag info from within the fenceline and forward it to the local PD. We are told we have NO authority or ability to question anyone outside of the fenceline. This goes completely contrary to what I was taught and did at my previous location.
They keep telling us there is no law enforcement mission, (yet we have 0083s, which they are trying to force convert to 0085). However even with a strictly force protection mission, I would assume we have the authority to question individuals to gather the right information to pass to a investigative agency.
The installation is currently under inspection by IMCOM and the DIA. These inspections have found numerous short falls with our program to include training. Now it appears that we are racing to make ourselves look better and they are jamming all sorts of "Police" training down the throats of Guards (including the 0083s that they consider Guards) USAMPS Executive Summary states that the training between Guards and Police is vastly different and should not be the same to include that Guards do not operate in the same high liability areas as Police. Yet we are now getting Active Shooter training, taser training (we will soon be armed with tasers), Sniper fire training, Bomb Threat training, ect... (mind you while well intentioned the training is subpar due to lack of qualified trainers, experience, and resources).
The next set of training (we do this weekly now) is Authority and Jurisdiction, which will be taught by our garrison lawyer. I plan on hammering this guy with so many questions I may get fired!!! What sources besides the 190-56 and UCMJ can I use to support my arguement that we have more authority and jurisdiction than this guy (to include the garrison manager) is making it seem we have? Any and all info would be extremely helpful. We ( DES employees) are trying to push for a law enforcement mission and conversion of all 0085s to 0083s. Or least, have the tools to do our job completely and accurately and not the soup sandwich we have going on.
Thanks in advance!
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