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    I did some research and was surprised to read that the coast guard are given law enforcement authority. Also that they can carry their issued weapons off base.

    So my question is the following:

    1) If pulled over how do you prove to the police officer that you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon? When I was a MP in the Army I was not issued any creds or a badge.

    2) Can you actually make arrests for felonies of civilians while off duty?

    3) Are you issued creds and a badge to carry off duty?

    4) Do you actually attend a federal law enforcement academy (FLETC)?

    5) Do any of the states consider the coast guard law enforcement status for the reason of being approved to bypass a local police academy and get police certification? (In Florida MPs in the military can bypass the 26 week police academy and just do the 3 week crossover class)

    I read the title in the Federal code and it reads that the Coast Guard is given full federal law enforcement authority. Just want some feed back from the Coast Guard guys.

  • #2
    I'm not in the Coast Guard, but I've been doing tons of research lately. I'm not gonna go into too much detail because I may have misinterpreted things or just not been given the best information, but from what I've read, it's completely dependent on your job in the Coast Guard.

    Like, I doubt a Machinery Technician or a Food Specialist can make make arrests, but I'm sure Maritime Enforcement guys or Port Security Agents can.

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    • #3
      I did some research and was surprised to read that the coast guard are given law enforcement authority
      I believe that authority is given to the agency, as a whole - not necessarily to each individual member. The agency then dictates which personnel may exercise that authority. And I think only CGIS has the authority to do all that's listed in your post.

      I am not in the CG, either, but this is how it works with many other agencies: a blanket authority may exist, but it's at the discretion of the agency regarding who may exercise it.
      "Sir, does this mean that Ann Margaret's not coming?"

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      • #4
        Not this again.....

        Did we forget what happened the last time we started a "CG authority" thread.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by INTHEAIRCOP View Post

          2) Can you actually make arrests for felonies of civilians while off duty?
          Here in CA anyone one can make an arrest for a felony.

          Cop, soldier, cook, janitor, or dog walker.
          The more you sweat in here, the less you'll bleed on the street. - Plaque at LASD academy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by INTHEAIRCOP View Post
            I did some research and was surprised to read that the coast guard are given law enforcement authority. Also that they can carry their issued weapons off base.

            So my question is the following:

            1) If pulled over how do you prove to the police officer that you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon? When I was a MP in the Army I was not issued any creds or a badge.

            CGIS could show there badge and creds just like any other police officer would.

            2) Can you actually make arrests for felonies of civilians while off duty?

            Only CGIS agents can.

            3) Are you issued creds and a badge to carry off duty?

            Everyone in the Coast Guard is issued a military ID but only CGIS agents are issued "badges".

            4) Do you actually attend a federal law enforcement academy (FLETC)?

            Only CGIS agents do....

            5) Do any of the states consider the coast guard law enforcement status for the reason of being approved to bypass a local police academy and get police certification? (In Florida MPs in the military can bypass the 26 week police academy and just do the 3 week crossover class)

            I read the title in the Federal code and it reads that the Coast Guard is given full federal law enforcement authority. Just want some feed back from the Coast Guard guys.
            Each Academy can make there own requirments to pass. So weather or not the accept your prier training is all up to them.
            Semper Paratus/Always Ready
            Originally posted by jakflak
            The bottom line: always be nice to the magic voice. All hail the magic voice!!
            Originally posted by Michigan
            I have a 1 year old daughter and at this rate I'm almost certain I'm going to end up in prison by the time she's 15 years old. I swear, the first guy that that comes knocking on my door holding onto a naked photo of my daughter.....

            Don't bother telling me, "oh it's her fault too".... I know, I have double standards. Deal with it.

            : )

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            • #7
              That's not quite true. Dog handlers bring their dogs home. In government owned vehicles. But not their weapons. Coasties assigned as Special Agents with the Coast Guard Investigations are allowed to retain their assigned weapons 24/7.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by elko View Post
                That's not quite true. Dog handlers bring their dogs home. In government owned vehicles. But not their weapons. Coasties assigned as Special Agents with the Coast Guard Investigations are allowed to retain their assigned weapons 24/7.
                Were you referring to my post?
                I did type when I first woke up so....
                Semper Paratus/Always Ready
                Originally posted by jakflak
                The bottom line: always be nice to the magic voice. All hail the magic voice!!
                Originally posted by Michigan
                I have a 1 year old daughter and at this rate I'm almost certain I'm going to end up in prison by the time she's 15 years old. I swear, the first guy that that comes knocking on my door holding onto a naked photo of my daughter.....

                Don't bother telling me, "oh it's her fault too".... I know, I have double standards. Deal with it.

                : )

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                • #9
                  I'm not sure he meant to equate "dog walker" with "canine officer."
                  "Sir, does this mean that Ann Margaret's not coming?"

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                  • #10
                    LE authority is given to all Petty Officers and Officers, basically E-4 and above. However, Coast Guard policy requires that members must be trained and qualified as Boarding Officers before conducting law enforcement.

                    All ratings can conduct law enforcement, if qualified, and I know of at least one cutter where the primary Boarding Officer was a Food Service Specialist. Many Machinery Technicians conduct LE on a regular basis.

                    Coast Guard members do not have LE authority ashore, do not carry issued weapons off-duty, and are not issued badges. Many Boarding Officers will attend the Coast Guard Maritime Law Enforcement Academy which is located at FLETC Charleston.

                    That's how it works for the general maritime law enforcement. Things are somewhat different for personnel assigned to CG Police Departments and CGIS is altogether different.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by new hampshirite View Post
                      le authority is given to all petty officers and officers, basically e-4 and above. However, coast guard policy requires that members must be trained and qualified as boarding officers before conducting law enforcement.

                      All ratings can conduct law enforcement, if qualified, and i know of at least one cutter where the primary boarding officer was a food service specialist. Many machinery technicians conduct le on a regular basis.

                      Coast guard members do not have le authority ashore, do not carry issued weapons off-duty, and are not issued badges. Many boarding officers will attend the coast guard maritime law enforcement academy which is located at fletc charleston.

                      That's how it works for the general maritime law enforcement. Things are somewhat different for personnel assigned to cg police departments and cgis is altogether different.

                      thanks!

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                      • #12
                        Coast Guard LE

                        Ok, you've gotten a few totally incorrect answers and a few really close answers.

                        All Coast Guard Petty, Warrant and Commissioned Officers are Federal Law Enforcement Officers. They receive their law enforcement authority through 14 USC 89a. The authority is not granted to the Coast Guard as an agency, but to the individual officer.

                        Through Coast Guard policy and the UCMJ, the Coast Guard restricts the ability of its personnel to exercise their law enforcement authority to only those that are qualified as Boarding Officers. Although the qualification system for Boarding Officers left much to be desired in the past, over the last 10 years a lot has changed. Now, the only way to be qualified as a Boarding Officer is to attend the Basic Boarding Officer Course at FLETC Charleston. This is a fully accredited FLETC course that is very similar to the UTPT program at FLETC. The only major differences is the CG program does not teach firearms (that is taught at the unit level), vehicle operations (we don't use cars that much), and our defensive tactics are different.

                        The Maritime Transportation Security Act of 2004, gave Coast Guard Boarding Officers authority & jurisdiction ashore as well. The A&J though is limited to a maritime "Nexus". It specifically authorizes CG Boarding Officers to carry firearms and make arrests ashore. We conduct law enforcement operations every day ashore with our Port Security mission. Boarding Officers that are required to operate vehicles are required to take specific training for emergency vehicle operations.

                        Many states recognize CG Boarding Officers as state peace officers and will treat former boarding officers looking for employment as civilian police officers the same way they treat police officers that had been trained in a different state.

                        To date, the CG has not put out a policy on off-duty concealed carry. Several Guardians have had concealed carry chargers dropped by the Courts now due to LEOSA. The CG has not put out official policy on LEOSA.

                        CG Boarding Officers are not issued badges or creds (the idea is that the small boat or cutter effectively identifies us) however, I would not be surprised if CG Boarding Officers are issued creds in the next 5 years.

                        Boarding Officers are not individually issued weapons they are checked out from the armory as needed.

                        Oh, and the CG was not "GIVEN" LE law enforcement authority. The CG has had law enforcement authority since 1789.

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                        • #13
                          guardianagent,

                          Thanks for the clarification about jurisdiction ashore and BO training. I remember hearing that those where in the works but didn't realize that they were already in effect. Glad to hear it!

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                          • #14
                            All Coast Guard Petty, Warrant and Commissioned Officers are Federal Law Enforcement Officers.
                            This may be technically true, but "technically" and "in practical use" are two different animals, i.e. if you're a CG member who has nothing to do with LE and you start telling people that you're a "Federal Law Enforcement Officer," that'll be a bit of a stretch. I think this statement is true in as much as the oft-used statement that "FBI agents can enforce ANY law" is true: they CAN, but they don't.

                            Oh, and the CG was not "GIVEN" LE law enforcement authority. The CG has had law enforcement authority since 1789.
                            Then it was "given" at one point.
                            "Sir, does this mean that Ann Margaret's not coming?"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GreenLine View Post
                              This may be technically true, but "technically" and "in practical use" are two different animals, i.e. if you're a CG member who has nothing to do with LE and you start telling people that you're a "Federal Law Enforcement Officer," that'll be a bit of a stretch. I think this statement is true in as much as the oft-used statement that "FBI agents can enforce ANY law" is true: they CAN, but they don't.



                              Then it was "given" at one point.
                              Its either true or its not...

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