Navy MA or Coasties?

[NoBody312]

Nevermind....

[orlandofed5-0]

I dealt with alot of reserve MAs who were on active duty after 9/11. Some were MAs, others were 9545 shore patrolman (I for some reason cant remember what they actually are called) and some Seabees. The MA's were mainly cops or folks who were MA's on active duty. If you want to be a patrolman, very few bases have MA's on patrol. The majority of the duties will be force protection (IE gate guard) or you might be assigned to a squadron and get to watch pee tests all day.

As far as the weight issues, you would need to see a recruiter.

I can not comment on the USCG but realize both do deploy to the ME and other areas.

[David Hineline]

Coast Guard requirements. Can you do all of this, cause most of this or some of this is not going to qualify for a beginner.

Event Male
Push-ups (60 sec) 29
Sit-ups (60 sec) 38
Run (1.5 mile) 12:51
Sit and Reach* 16.50 "

Complete Swim Circuit Test Tread water 5 minutes

Jump off 5ft platform into pool, swim 100 meters

When my daughter joined the Marines the recruiter did an Initial Strength Test, then she entered the delayed enlistment program to coincide with her MOS opening. He then worked up a excersize plan for her so she could meet minimum requirement to go into basic, and she started to do PT with the recruiter and poolees. Contact your CG recruiter and see what they have to advise about an excersize program.

Before you can get to a MOS school or join the Fleet which is Navy term, you have to get through basic, in the Marines the minimum needed to get you into basic will not get you out of basic and along the way through basic if you do not meet the requirements you get re-cycled into physical conditioning platoon untill you can meet std.s and rejoin a platoon to continue on with basic.

[CAleo]

I am looking to get into a law enforcement type MOS in either the Navy Reserves, or CG Reserves. I do not want to go Active due to school, wife and son.

I have heard alot of really good things about the CG compared to the navy.

My question though is this,

In order to actually do a "law enforcement" like MOS should I look at the Navy MA, or go with the CG?

Im leaning towards CG, but do not know which MOS would acctually get me into maretime law enforcement. I have been told to stay away from the PS rate because they really are just more glorified security gaurds, and have a really high rate of being sent over seas.

I know that I HAVE to get the MOS and A school I want set in writting in my contract, so which would be my best route?


Keep in mind I would want to avoid being sent over seas if possible, but I do understand there is a chance.

I am doing this to get more experiance. I have 2 years as a corrections deputy, but really would like to go into the CG if possible.

Also what kind of physical requirements do they have? I recently lost alot of weight, and am at 275 and 6 foot 6 inches tall. Im not in the BEST shape, but I do work out and can run some what. I was able to pass the physical tests needed to be hired as a Deputy CO. I deffinatly would be working hard before I went to basic, but am trying to get a general idea as to what they want before I go.

Go Coast Guard. Do a search in the forum for the Coast Guard's new ME rate, the thread is a wealth of knowledge. If I were you I would wait until the ME rate comes online.

I spent 7 years in the CG and miss it very much. It is a good branch and a good place to get your LE start.

Good luck

[Arewethereyet]

I am looking to get into a law enforcement type MOS in either the Navy Reserves, or CG Reserves. I do not want to go Active due to school, wife and son.

I have heard alot of really good things about the CG compared to the navy.

My question though is this,

In order to actually do a "law enforcement" like MOS should I look at the Navy MA, or go with the CG?

Im leaning towards CG, but do not know which MOS would acctually get me into maretime law enforcement. I have been told to stay away from the PS rate because they really are just more glorified security gaurds, and have a really high rate of being sent over seas.

I know that I HAVE to get the MOS and A school I want set in writting in my contract, so which would be my best route?


Keep in mind I would want to avoid being sent over seas if possible, but I do understand there is a chance.

I am doing this to get more experiance. I have 2 years as a corrections deputy, but really would like to go into the CG if possible.

Also what kind of physical requirements do they have? I recently lost alot of weight, and am at 275 and 6 foot 6 inches tall. Im not in the BEST shape, but I do work out and can run some what. I was able to pass the physical tests needed to be hired as a Deputy CO. I deffinatly would be working hard before I went to basic, but am trying to get a general idea as to what they want before I go.

Well, you don't have to worry about going to PS because the PS rate is going away on 1 January 2010. I doubt they're still trying to fill PS billets. I don't know who you've heard from about PS's being glorified security guards. A buddy of mine is a PS2 and he is stationed at Sector Baltimore conducting security boardings on cruise liners. We have PS's at our unit who are Coxswains and drive boats around all day. My Chief is a PSC and when he stationed at STA Little Creek, he said the reservists were the ones implementing the active duty on the weekends (4 different squads, each squad worked a certain weekend of the month, therefore the active duty folks would work M-F). As for the Navy, I'm not too sure, but if you want to be a Navy Cop, I'm pretty sure you'd have to be active, or on Title 10.

Regardless of what rate you choose, our Commander in Chief may decide to deploy you if he feels like it. Yes, the Coast Guard deploys overseas. If you don't want to go overseas as a reservist, stay away from PSU's and MSST's. I'm at a PSU and yes we deploy every few years. We deploy to support Joint operations for DOD, and our job is mostly AT/FP. We even have our FS's, HS's, BM's, MK's, DC's all deploy with us. If you want to be a Maritime Enforcement Specialist, you might have to wait a little. Also, the new ME rate is not only LE, it's LE/Security, so you could be standing a security watch. Since you're already a deputy, you might be able to talk to a recruiter and attend the two week Reserve Enlisted Basic Indoctrination (REBI) and come into the CG as an E-4, instead of going through an 8 week boot camp.

No offense good Sir, but I've seen a few Sheriff's Office's PT entry requirements, and they're a joke. I mean, I could walk 1.5 miles in 17 some odd minutes. I also don't mean to offend anyone who is in corrections or works for a SO/SD, but seriously, if you're in shape, you should be able to run a 1.5 mile run in under 15 minutes. The CG 12:51 for age group 29 and under is not very difficult; however, there are still people who fail. Honestly, you're kind of heavy, and you're tall. You might not pass the weight, but if you have skinny wrists, neck, etc, you might pass the BMI test. These are just realities. There's a guy in my unit who never makes weight but he always passes the BMI test. Please don't take this personally, or have this discourage you, I'm just telling you how I see it IMHO.

Honestly, as a reservist, I would be lying if I said "you'd do a lot of LE in the CG". There are other things that your unit is more concerned about than conducting boardings, and I'm sure other prior service or current military members can attest to the countless hours of working on GMT, going to the range every six months, PT tests, sexual harassment awareness/training, opsec training, just stupid administrative bullsh*t, someone loses your paper work so you have to do it all over again. When you're not doing that, you're working on other PQS. That is just the way it is. Maybe once or twice a year you may do some LE, if you get lucky. And even if you're out on the water, there may be a chance where NOTHING happens and it gets really boring and mundane.

Regardless of what service you choose, it's a very noble thing to serve your country. I am very happy with enlisting. Would I lateral to another service? Maybe after my enlistment is over, but just because I see negative things right now, I've only been in for 1.5 years. It could get better. I have worked with the Navy MA's, the Air Force, Army MP's 31E's, and the Marines. They are all a great group of people. Good luck to you. Oh and btw, since you're already in corrections, if you become an MA, you might be very fortunate to work in the Brig! Not all MA's patrol.

[NoBody312]

Thanks for the input. Oh and I dont take offense to what you say at all. Trust me, I know im still big, but considering that 7 months ago I was 380 Lbs, I think I am doing rather well. Itll take some time before I REALLY get to where I want to be weight and physical stamina wise.

I dont mean to sound like I mind doing the security work, and the not so exciting assignments. Thats not it at all. My whole family is in LE and being in corrections myself I know not EVERY DAY is heart pounding fast paced work.

What I am looking for is the training. Something to help build my portfolio if you will. I want to get into an MOS that will allow me to expand the knowledge I have, and make me an even stronger officer.

Oh and I dont want to make it seem like the only reason I am doing it is to build up a better profile for my civilian employment. I have always been interested in the CG and want more then anything to help people. Its the main reason I chose LE as a career. I think that serving our country is an extreamly noble thing.

And to those who might criticize my not wanting to be sent to the ME, well think about it, does anyone really want to? My thing is I believe in our country, and support our troops whole heartedly, I have family in the Army and Marines. I just dont agree with why we are over there to begin with. Afgahnistan I can understand to an extent, but not the other areas. Being sent over doesnt scare me, I just dont agree with it. As far as being sent to another country that isnt in the ME, I wouldnt mind it at all. Id Love to be able to pick up duty in Italy, but its probably a far cry.

[CAleo]

Thanks for the input. Oh and I dont take offense to what you say at all. Trust me, I know im still big, but considering that 7 months ago I was 380 Lbs, I think I am doing rather well. Itll take some time before I REALLY get to where I want to be weight and physical stamina wise.

I dont mean to sound like I mind doing the security work, and the not so exciting assignments. Thats not it at all. My whole family is in LE and being in corrections myself I know not EVERY DAY is heart pounding fast paced work.

What I am looking for is the training. Something to help build my portfolio if you will. I want to get into an MOS that will allow me to expand the knowledge I have, and make me an even stronger officer.

Oh and I dont want to make it seem like the only reason I am doing it is to build up a better profile for my civilian employment. I have always been interested in the CG and want more then anything to help people. Its the main reason I chose LE as a career. I think that serving our country is an extreamly noble thing.

And to those who might criticize my not wanting to be sent to the ME, well think about it, does anyone really want to? My thing is I believe in our country, and support our troops whole heartedly, I have family in the Army and Marines. I just dont agree with why we are over there to begin with. Afgahnistan I can understand to an extent, but not the other areas. Being sent over doesnt scare me, I just dont agree with it. As far as being sent to another country that isnt in the ME, I wouldnt mind it at all. Id Love to be able to pick up duty in Italy, but its probably a far cry.

I understand what you are saying but part of serving this country requires you to do things that you do not agree with. Taking orders and complying. Sacrifice should be the real word, instead of "serving." Sacrificing yourself for this country means that you are willing to give away 4 years (sometimes more) of your life to serve it.

I can honestly tell you that when I served in the military I did things on a daily basis that I did not believe in, or want to do. Ultimately, though, I did what I was told to do because I knew that I was serving MY country and that brought me joy.

If you can accept that, than you are ready to serve your country.

[IrishLacrosse]

I am in the Navy and telling you to go CG. If you knew what MAs do on ships you wouldn't want to be one either.

[District B 13]

MCSD,

If you can't get behind being in the military and being deployed overseas 100%, don't enlist. We don't need the headaches of "why are we doing this?" from members. As an LPO, I don't need someone deciding not to do what they are told to do as the "don't believe in it". That's what can get me and my Coasties killed or injured, not just over there, here.

If you want to build up your hero sheet, why not be an LEO instead of Corrections? Then you get all the training you want and don't have to worry about stepping up to the plate if needed.

[NoBody312]

I understand what you are saying but part of serving this country requires you to do things that you do not agree with. Taking orders and complying. Sacrifice should be the real word, instead of "serving." Sacrificing yourself for this country means that you are willing to give away 4 years (sometimes more) of your life to serve it.

I can honestly tell you that when I served in the military I did things on a daily basis that I did not believe in, or want to do. Ultimately, though, I did what I was told to do because I knew that I was serving MY country and that brought me joy.
If you can accept that, than you are ready to serve your country.

That is why I am interested in it.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying AT ALL that I wouldnt follow an order, even if I didnt agree with it. I am used to having to do that. I want to serve my country and the people of my community and I put those desires well over my own fears. Like I said if I was to be sent over I wouldntt gripe about it. Its what I would have to do.

[NoBody312]

MCSD,

If you can't get behind being in the military and being deployed overseas 100%, don't enlist. We don't need the headaches of "why are we doing this?" from members. As an LPO, I don't need someone deciding not to do what they are told to do as the "don't believe in it". That's what can get me and my Coasties killed or injured, not just over there, here.

If you want to build up your hero sheet, why not be an LEO instead of Corrections? Then you get all the training you want and don't have to worry about stepping up to the plate if needed.

I dont think you understand what I meant by what I said. Trust me, I would NOT question a commanding officer. Nor would I EVER hesitate to "step up to the plate". Im sure you have many people who do not agree with the things that are decided for them, yet are excellent enlisted men and women.

A question to you though, Since when do LEO's not have to "step up to the plate"? Just like you would infer I wouldnt do my job, are you infering that LEO's do not face danger? Or that they would back down or run when confronted?

See, words can be taken out of context very easily.

Im not trying to build up my "hero sheet" as you put it. I am looking for more training and the chance to serve people, and my country. Maybe I worded things a little incorrectly or was not crystal clear about what I meant.

I dont do the job I do, nor the job I want to do for glory. Those who want to be heros never will be and those who never wanted to be heros will be chosen.

[CAleo]

That is why I am interested in it.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying AT ALL that I wouldnt follow an order, even if I didnt agree with it. I am used to having to do that. I want to serve my country and the people of my community and I put those desires well over my own fears. Like I said if I was to be sent over I wouldntt gripe about it. Its what I would have to do.

Good. Remember it is not about whether your gonna gripe or not. It is about sacrificing yourself, and sacrificing yourself means doing all things with your whole heart.

In the service we had a term for that, it was "suck it up." It means do what you were told and do it joyfully and 100%.

Don't think I'm giving you a hard time, I just want to give you an idea of what the military needs. It sucked every time a new recruit would be sent to our unit and the new recruit was some bitchy, whiney, spoiled little pansy young adult, whose hardest task in life prior to the military was beating the 6th level of some video game.

My advice, get out there and work your arse off in the gym. Run around your block a couple of times 3 times a week. Lose a few pounds, feel better about yourself and remind yourself that you want to be a part of something great. That something great would be your service in the baddest arse military in all of time, for the best d#mn country of all time.

Now that is something to be proud of, and once you truly give that sacrifice you will look at that American flag and identify with it in a whole new way.

Just my .02 cents.